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Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2014

In the section "Personal Life", under the heading "Beliefs", please revise the first sentence. Although it is technically correct, the second comma should be a period, and a new sentence should be started. As it is currently written, it seems to imply that Demi Lovato supports supports gay rights because she is a Christian, and splitting the sentence would help clarify that these beliefs are not inherently linked. In its current form, the sentence I am referring to appears to suggest that Christianity and support for gay rights go together in general. If split into two sentences, it would still say the same thing about Demi Lovato's personal beliefs, without implying a false generalization that all Christians support gay rights. Most Christians and Christian churches oppose homosexuality for religious reasons, and it should not be implied that Christians in general support gay rights because of their religion. If Demi Lovato supports both, it is not my business to judge her. But the two beliefs do not automatically go together, and being a Christian does not make someone support gay rights. Technically, when you define Christianity in terms of the Bible, the opposite is true.

208.157.161.11 (talk) 18:49, 17 December 2014 (UTC)Anonymous editor

Not done: I think your suggestion would be quite reasonable if it were not for the quote,
"I believe in gay marriage, I believe in equality. I think there's a lot of hypocrisy with religion. But I just found that you can have your own relationship with God, and I still have a lot of faith."
With that, she ties the two issues together and the way the paragraph combines the two subjects makes sense Cannolis (talk) 19:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I object to this, because the sentence I referred to seems to imply that Christians in general must support gay rights, which is definitely not true. Just because the subject of the article finds the subjects related does not mean it is okay to generalize such a belief about all Christians, many of whom oppose gay rights. I am not objecting to the quote, just the implied generalization. The quote even says that each person's relationship with God is their own, so how can you use it to back up any generalization about Christians? 208.157.161.11 (talk) 19:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 19:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't see that implication with that sentence, just a simple listing of facts. Parallel example: I am a Christian, and I love eating latkes. I don't believe there's a necessary implication that Christians in general love latkes. Cannolis (talk) 22:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Neomexicanos

Stormiya (talk · contribs) has been inserting this category only to be reverted by Gloss (talk · contribs) and IPadPerson (talk · contribs). Discuss here why it should or should not be included. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:48, 12 December 2014 (UTC) In Demi's Profile it says that she is descended from the original Spanish settlers of New Mexico making her a Neomexicano — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormiya (talk • contribs) 21:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2015

178.120.36.16 (talk) 18:20, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done - please see WP:ELNO for reasoning. --‖ Ebyabe talk - General Health ‖ 18:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Cool For The Summer

Can Someone Please Write An Article About Demi Lovato's Cool For The Summer, Please??? Thank You.C16 (talk) 13:50, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

It currently redirects to here and isn't ready for a separate artivle just yet; let's wait until the song is released. However, I have compiled a list of good sources to use at Talk:Cool for the Summer. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

PLEASE

Can someone please start to write an article about COOL FOR THE SUMMER now?, because it is been released now.Chandelia16 (talk) 11:04, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Work has begun on the article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2015

Pets Buddy (dog) 2015-2015 Batman (dog) 2015-Present 2.120.118.251 (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, please explain how a list of pets adds encyclopedic value to this article. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2015

you use autotune and i dont — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF0F:DF30:B451:9ECF:4F33:6583 (talk) 00:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Personal life

Demi Lovato has been best friends with Singer and Actress with Selena Gomez since they first met in 2002 when they were in the Barney & Friends series. [1]

References

  1. ^ https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=5VMFVtaPGMHGcLr3vNAM#q=demi+lovato+and+selena+gomez+barney+and+friends

 Not done That is a link to a Google search - not a reliable source for the statement "Has been best friends with ...." which is fairly trivial in any case. - Arjayay (talk) 14:15, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2015

Request that the section 2009-2010 Sonny with a chance and here we go again's first line be edited. The dead link be replaced with Gay, Jason. "The Clean Teen Machine." Rolling Stone Aug 07 2008: 69,70, 72, 74, 100-101. ProQuest. Web. 30 Sep. 2015.

copy of link to the article http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-clean-teen-machine-20080807

Katie0303 (talk) 23:50, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Not done: That article is about the Jonas Brothers, not Demi Lovato. In any case I found another copy of the original article and fixed the dead link so no need to replace anything. --Stabila711 (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2015

"Eating disorders are not something to joke about," she wrote on twitter in all-capital letters after hearing a character on the show "Shake It Up" say, "I could just eat you up, well, if I ate."

[1]

References

  1. ^ Stelter, Brian. "Demi Lovato Blasts Disney Over Jokes." Editorial. New York Times [New York, NY] 25 Dec. 2011, The Arts sec.: C3. Web. 04 Oct. 2015.

Kaliguzman (talk) 20:36, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Is this something you feel should be added to the article? If so, please state where you feel it should be mentioned. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:40, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. (per Snuggums) --Stabila711 (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2015

| occupation = {{flatlist|

  • Singer
  • songwriter
  • actress
  • model
  • philanthropist

Meighel (talk) 14:18, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Not done: By convention, occupations should be mentioned in the lead. Also, philanthropist is not technically an occupation. Even Bill Gates's page does not list philanthropist under his occupation. If she has founded her own philanthropy organization that is different but just giving money away is not an occupation. --Stabila711 (talk) 01:49, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Fimography

She acts at Paranormal Activity: The Ghost Dimension (2015). Can it be mentioned?--178.128.168.59 (talk) 17:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2015

Meighel (talk) 12:45, 4 December 2015 (UTC) Why are these artist have philanthropist Meighel (talk) 12:45, 4 December 2015 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selena_Gomez

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Chamith (talk) 13:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2016

Jennygarcia1992 (talk) 14:14, 10 January 2016 (UTC) Demi Lovato's official Instagram page is ddlovato but most people know her private Instagram is privddlovato. Demi has said in a recent private interview, she has a snapchat, quoting "I don't really tell people this but I actually do have a public snapchat for my fans called ddlovatovevo", Demi also opened up about her friend that she met about 2 years ago, named Cheryl, Demi refers to her as Smurf. She said "Cheryl is such an incredible human being and we talk everyday. To this day, I can't believe that we came this close within almost 2 years. I never really talk about her in interviews because I respect her privacy." Demi has been said to have private accounts with some fans not even noticing. Credits: Recent interview in Demi's house in LA.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also, per WP:EL we only use official pages. having an instagram EL at all is pushing it. Cannolis (talk) 14:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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Lovato is considered a pop and pop rock

This sentence is ungrammatical. Can somebody fix it. 60.242.176.11 (talk) 13:17, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2016

demi lovato is only 16-17 not 23 she was born in 99 -2000

116.250.75.41 (talk) 23:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 23:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

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Demi an R&B artist

Lead says: "Musically, Lovato is considered a pop, pop rock and R&B artist." She has three to four songs considered R&B. Only 1 album was considered Pop/r&b (and no explicit "r&b record"): Unbroken. User Give Your Heart a Break says "Waitin for You and more songs from Confident are considered R&B... 2 albums." However, this field is for main genres, and I couldn't find a source claiming Lovato is an R&B artist. An example, several Kendrick Lamar songs are described by critics as funk-rap and jazz-rap, though those are not their main genres nor is described as an (x) artist. Third opinions are welcome. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:03, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Yet, AllMusic cites Demi as an R&B artist.. Demi undoubtedly told MTV in September 2014 that she was working on her fifth LP and that she wanted to make an R&B album.. You can't say it's only "a few" songs in her discography that are considered R&B. Unbroken heavily incorporated R&B, the genre R&B was evident on Confident and so was the closely-related genre soul. "Yes", "Waitin for You", "Mr. Hughes" (deluxe track) and "Wildfire" are all R&B songs. "Stone Cold" and "Father" are soul ballads, the latter one has gospel elements. While, "Kingdom Come" is a hip hop song. That results in 7 R&B-related songs out of 13. Give Your a Break 12:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2016

James Dylan McCauley (talk) 20:44, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: No request made. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:30, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

6th Album

Demi recently confirmed that she has begun working on her sixth studio album. She is also planning to sing new songs on her and Nick's Future Now Tour. The album will be primary R&B-Soul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.250.245.19 (talk) 22:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2016

Hello, I found a more recent picture of Demi Lovato at the 2016 Grammy Awards. At the every bottom of the page it says "CC-BY-SA." - here's the URL: http://demi-lovato.wikia.com/wiki/File:Grammy_2016_(5).jpg

Thank you! 92.253.85.172 (talk) 20:13, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2015

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2016

"Please add entrepreneur, philanthropist, and model on her occupation. Because those were added on official sites about her." "And if you could change her picture because it's already 2016 and her picture was from 2013. I suggest this one http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016115/rs_634x1024-160215180712-634.Demi-Lovato-Accessories-Grammy-Awards-2016.jpg thank you."


Reginaddl (talk) 16:30, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: Please provide the official sites you are talking about. As for the image, we cannot use pictures unless you are sure that they have been licensed under an appropriate license. See Wikipedia:Image use policy. MediaKill13 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2016

93.139.72.106 (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2016 (UTC) /Users/klaraanarafaj/Desktop/images.jpeg/Users/klaraanarafaj/Desktop/images-1.jpeg

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2016

vocal cords, not vocal chords 2oldman (talk) 14:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Done Thank you, - Mlpearc (open channel) 15:03, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Please update on the Demi Lovato - Personal Life section

I don't know how to do the in-text citation on this but...


Thompson, Avery (August 26, 2016). "Demi Lovato Dating UFC Star Luke Rockhold After Wilmer Valderrama Breakup". HollywoodLife.


This is what it says on Luke Rockhold's Wikipedia Page:

"Rockhold is dating actress and singer Demi Lovato who had recently broken up with Wilmer Valderrama.[53] The singer first crossed paths with the former UFC middleweight champion while training at Unbreakable gym in Los Angeles and their relationship blossomed from there. Luke posted on his Instagram a smiley face tattoo on his pinky, after which Demi also got the same smiley face tattoo on her pinky and posted it on her Instagram few days later. The couple has frequently been spotted spending time together." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chocolate lover2130 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Please add that she performed in the global citizen concert, both in USA and India. Zidanegimiga (talk) 15:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2016

Could somebody add "| party = [Democratic Party (United States)|Democratic]" to the template?

Source(s):
http://www.idolator.com/7641047/demi-lovato-speaks-about-mental-illness-performs-confident-at-the-dnc
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-quick-cuts/watch/this-is-why-demi-lovato-is-endorsing-clinton-732005955928 

173.73.227.128 (talk) 02:40, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Not done: I don't think her political party membership is noteworthy enough to be included in the template. That is not what makes her notable. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸(talk) 15:47, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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Awards and nominations not linked to the main article?

I may just be missing it, be it appears that her awards and nominations page is not linked ANYWHERE on this page, including an in-text link. She doesn't even have a sub-section summarizing her awards which would usually include a "main article" link. Is this intentional on the part of the usual editors for this page or some kind of oversight? I just think it would be especially important to include a section on her awards now that Confident has been nominated for a Grammy. Rcul4u998 (talk) 16:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I see that there is a link to it at the extreme bottom of the page in her artist template, but this also includes links to her discography and list of songs, both of which have their own mentions previously in the article whereas her awards do not. Rcul4u998 (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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Edit-war

There has been an edit-war on this page about something that one person think it's relevant but the other think is not. Let's discuss it here instead of edit-warring. Raritydash (talk) 23:13, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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"List of artists who reached number one on the Billboard Pop Songs chart"

Demi Lovato has never reached number 1 on the billboard Mainstream Top 40 Charts. The link in See Also to ""List of artists who reached number one on the Billboard Pop Songs chart" should be removed. See: http://www.billboard.com/artist/300744/demi-lovato/chart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.210.177 (talk) 19:16, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Lead section needs a Trim

Lovato is only 24 years old, by her eight album how big the lead section will be? MOS:INTRO says it should "briefly summarize the most important points." It's clearly not happening. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 01:25, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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remove poot from demi lovato name Thepsychedelicflower (talk) 02:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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Protected edit request on 24 July 2018

According to law enforcement officials, the Los Angeles Police Department responded to a medical emergency at the 8000 block of Laurel View Drive in the Hollywood Hills, where Lovato’s home is located.

Law enforcement sources told TMZ, which was first to report the news, that Lovato, who was found unconscious, was treated with Narcan — a medication designed to rapidly reverse opioid overdose — at her home before being transported to a local hospital.

The “Sorry Not Sorry” singer, 25, has struggled with substance abuse for years. Lovato revealed in June that she had relapsed just months after celebrating six years of sobriety. 207.34.115.128 (talk) 22:26, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please see the talk page discussion above. Also, you did not provide any sources. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 22:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Reopening request because the protection was based on a single user's refusal to accept TMZ as a reliable source, which mushroomed into rejecting any other source that cited TMZ in any way. There are current articles at People and Entertainment Weekly which confirm the event did happen (with statements from her family among others), and confirm some details in the original TMZ report while contradicting others. This sort of over-protection leads to even worse actions, such as the Wikidata edit falsely claiming she passed away (still appearing in my Wikipedia mobile app even though Wikidata itself has been reverted). IMO it should be reduced to semi-protection. --RBBrittain (talk) 06:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 Not done Firstly, you are asking for an individual administrator to unilaterally overturn the outcome of a discussion. Secondly, one of the sources you have given explicitly refers to another source as contradicting the claim reported by TMZ, so it is difficult to see how that can be justification for putting that claim in the article. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment As the single editor to whom you're referring, I'd like to point out that the initial reports of the root cause of the emergency have turned out to be wrong. As someone that is employed in a position that largely focuses on public relations and managing the correct information of public figures, Wikipedia guidelines regarding biographies of living persons are sacred to me. TMZ, while rather good at what they do, sometimes has a tendency to want to be "first" to a story and not always 100% "correct" about the details. I wanted to hold out on inserting certain information in the article until another source reported that information and was not sourcing TMZ in their own piece about the story. As the discussion above shows, I was willing to go along with inserting information about the hospitalization, as long as we stayed away from the initially reported root cause. StrikerforceTalk 13:31, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

What's up?

Before going to CNN.com, I came to this article expecting to see an update to Demi Lovato's condition. To look at the current article, it would appear yesterday was just another day at the office. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Did you look at the edit history and then the discussion above on this page? There was not a consensus established to include the initially reported - and now proven, if I'm reading several articles thus far this morning correctly, wrong - root cause of the medical emergency call to her home, per the guidelines of BLP. StrikerforceTalk 13:20, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
CNN continues to say "hospitalized for apparent drug overdose." Next thing you'll be telling us that she's not even in the hospital. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:56, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@Strikerforce: I agree with Baseball Bugs. A consensus is not needed to include a brief, accurate, well sourced comment about the issue, and CNN is a reliable source. I'll ask Strikerforce (or anyone who wishes) to modify the hidden comment in the article stating that a consensus is necessary. 75.182.115.183 (talk) 14:02, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Whomever made the edit, please do not edit other people's comments. I included the CNN link to emphasize the fact that the family statement specifically made mention that certain information being reported was wrong. StrikerforceTalk 14:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
"Apparent", "reportedly", "unconfirmed sources", and the like are all words and phrases that should raise immediate red flags to us, when it comes to BLP. As I've stated several times, I've no issue with putting the hospitalization into the article, but until confirmed by a reliable source (LAPD, her management, her family, herself, etc) that it was an overdose, I'll staunchly stand against that specific detail being included. StrikerforceTalk 14:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Sure. So is she not in the hospital at all? Just another day like any other? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:50, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Are you not noticing my statement - now for at least the third time (1, 2, and 3) - that I have no objection to the inclusion of her hospitalization? We simply can't say that she was hospitalized as a result of (x) until such information is confirmed by any of the sources that I mentioned above. StrikerforceTalk 15:55, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
What I'm mostly noticing is that there is no mention at all in the article of her hospitalization. It does seem that CNN is backing off the overdose story (for now), but to look at the article, you'd think there was nothing at all going on. Is anyone disagreeing that she's in the hospital? If not, then it should be included. The details of what sent her there will eventually come out. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
And have you made an edit request to reflect what you're proposing to add? StrikerforceTalk 16:06, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
It appears that the request, previously made, has already been shot down. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
The previous request still alluded to an overdose.


"Law enforcement sources told TMZ, which was first to report the news, that Lovato, who was found unconscious, was treated with Narcan — a medication designed to rapidly reverse opioid overdose — at her home before being transported to a local hospital."


So, again, I'll ask - have you made an edit request to reflect what you're proposing to add? ;) StrikerforceTalk 16:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Baseball, Striker: I think you all are in agreement but somehow talking past each other. Just propose, a specific sentence to be added to the article (with accompanying source(s)), and unless there are objections/suggested changes, that can be easily done. Abecedare (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I would stipulate that such an edit request can't be made yet. I've yet to see (just checked Google) a reliable source that does not make a mention of the alleged overdose. Remember, folks, we're an encyclopedia, not a news outlet. Accuracy and reliable sources should take precedence over speed in which information is added to articles, particularly as it pertains to biographies of living persons. StrikerforceTalk 16:14, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

So there's no point in my making such a request, eh? Assuming you actually believe she went to the hospital, you could say she went to the hospital, and add a "citation needed" tag. Or, you could leave it as is, leaving the general public with the notion that Wikipedia is unaware. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:20, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Now you're making assumptions about "the general public" that you can't prove. Come on, Bugs. You've been around here long enough to not resort to such an argument. I'm not saying there's no point in making a request. By all means, if you think you've got a citation that passes muster, make the request with that citation and let an administrator make a decision on it. StrikerforceTalk 16:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Here's something that I'd be okay with - find a better source, meeting RS, that includes the information in the first and second sentences of the second paragraph of this article and I think you'd be in good shape. Find a source that quotes the officer named in that article and confirms the use of Narcan and I'd be agreeable to it. EDIT The browser that I'm using is displaying an ad between the article's lead sentence and the one that begins with "Lovato’s hospitalization has been confirmed...". There may not, in fact, be a second paragraph there; it may all be in one paragraph.StrikerforceTalk 16:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
You call "scarymommy" a reliable source while CNN is not? Despite their reporting the same info? Forget it. By the time there's an "acceptable" news article, she'll be out of the hospital and back on tour. And I won't bother coming to Wikipedia for current information anymore. CNN will have to do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Please read my comment again. I'm specifically saying Scary Mommy is NOT a reliable source. The information that they're presenting, with regard to the quoting of a specific LAPD officer, would be confirmation of the possible overdose, IF also presented by another source that DOES meet RS. StrikerforceTalk 16:34, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@Strikerforce: You are wiggling around a lot in terms of what you will "accept" in the article. The first two sentences of the source you cite above says, "The Los Angeles Police Department has confirmed Demi Lovato has been hospitalized after suffering a possible heroin overdose. Lovato’s hospitalization has been confirmed by LAPD officer Ray Brown, who says authorities responded to a call from a Hollywood home in the neighborhood where Lovato lives." So with that in mind, what's wrong with the CNN report: "Singer Demi Lovato is awake and with her family after being hospitalized earlier Tuesday, according to a statement from the singer's representative. A source close to Lovato's family previously told CNN the singer's hospitalization was the result of an apparent drug overdose." What exactly is wrong with using the information from CNN? IN my opinion, if CNN is the source we don't even need this discussion because CNN is a reliable source. 173.209.178.244 (talk) 16:35, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
The passage you've quoted doesn't name the source. That's the difference. StrikerforceTalk 16:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
As I said above, if anyone believes they've got an edit, with a proper source, that will pass muster, be bold and make the request for an administrator to approve or decline. I've not yet seen a reliable source that only says that she was "hospitalized as a result of a medical emergency call to her home" or something similar that does not also mention "overdose", "heroin", "drug", etc. That may end up being the case - but we should not, under BLP, put that in the article without proper sourcing. @Baseball Bugs:, as I said earlier, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, first and foremost, not a news source. We're here to get the information correct, NOT first. StrikerforceTalk 16:43, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
When the article is unprotected, no one needs admin approval (or Strikeforce's approval). At that time I suggest using the information from CNN unless something more reliable turns up. 173.209.178.244 (talk) 16:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
The personal attack was not called for. I'm asking for BLP to be followed. That's it. You have the ability to make the edit request "using the information from CNN", if you think it passes muster. Why haven't you done so? StrikerforceTalk 17:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@Strikerforce: Although this is not the appropriate talk page to respond to false accusation, I will briefly comment, then move on and hope that others also will move on. I would ask you to read WP:NPA#What is considered to be a personal attack?. Please give me a direct quotation in which I made a personal attack. I asked for clarification of your comments, and I made suggestions to all editors about a source. I will assume you meant no harm. I hope you can take my comments as an effort to improve Wikipedia rather than directed at you personally. 173.209.178.244 (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I've responded appropriately on your Talk page and will not do so again here - as you said, this isn't the proper venue. StrikerforceTalk 18:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Sourcing issues

Let's break the novel's worth of discussion of the last 24 or so hours out into a new section to make another attempt at consensus, shall we?

My argument against the inclusion of the information about her hospitalization - as has been presented by other editors thus far - falls under GRAPEVINE, GOSSIP, and SOURCES within BLP. While multiple reliable sources have reported on the medical emergency and subsequent hospitalization, I have yet to see one that does not make a mention of an overdose as the cause. If someone can find a reliable source that covers the emergency and hospitalization, but leaves out the - as of right now unconfirmed - root cause, I have, as I've repeatedly said, no problem with the information going into the article. A couple of sources that are generally reliable have quoted the Los Angeles Police Department as saying that Narcan was administered to Lovato, which would seemingly confirm the widely-reported root cause of the emergency. HOWEVER, it is my belief that BLP tells us we can't use that without an actual statement released by LAPD, Demi Lovato's family, her management team, herself, or anyone directly affiliated with her and with the authority to speak on her behalf that refers to an overdose. Her family, in fact, has point blank said that some of the early information that was reported was wrong. As an encyclopedia, we must assume the possibility that the reports of heroin being involved in the incident is a part of the information to which they are referring.

Now, is the counter to my argument of not including the material PUBLICFIGURE, which reads, in part, "In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it."? Yes, I can see how that could be applied, but - to this point - nobody has made that argument and allowed for discussion upon it.

Remember - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Our job is to get the information correct, not to be a primary source for people to get the latest news about something.

Thoughts? StrikerforceTalk 19:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

No offense, but Lovato's camp issued a statement stating LAPD responded to a potential overdose. That's per her camp. No mention of heroin or any kind of drug; simply that it was a potential overdose. That's what should be reported. livelikemusic talk! 19:05, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@Livelikemusic: None taken. Great. Is that statement available online somewhere so that we may cite it within the article? If it is, there's the reliable source for which we've been looking. StrikerforceTalk 19:09, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
It's the Deadline Hollywood link I linked last night in the O.G. section, yet, it was overlooked! livelikemusic talk! 19:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I found the link to which you're referring - here. I don't recall ever seeing that outlet used as a reliable source, however. Let me do some research. StrikerforceTalk 19:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Deadline Hollywood is highly regarded, especially in the television and film world. No need to "research" it. livelikemusic talk! 19:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I see that now. I've never used the website, myself, so I wanted to get some background on it. Given the longevity of the site and the backgrounds of the people involved in its management, I'm willing to submit an edit request using it as a source. StrikerforceTalk 19:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 25 July 2018

Add the following information to Personal Struggles "On July 24, 2018 it was reported that Lovato was rushed to a Los Angeles hospital due to an apparent drug overdose. Lovato's rep later released a statement thanking everyone for their support" or something similar as per Deadline and CNN. QueerFilmNerdtalk 17:50, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Pinging Abecedare. QueerFilmNerdtalk 17:53, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm against the "apparent drug overdose" as we don't know the cause for her hospitalization. If we include that, then this article is turning into a gossip article. Like I said, now that her hospitalization was confirmed, that can be included but not the speculation as to why. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 18:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: Please see and join in the discussion just above - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 18:15, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Like I said earlier, it's a waste of time to make the request. The reliable sources are not reliable. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect, it has nothing to do with "reliable sources are not reliable" and everything to do with "reliable sources continue to include unconfirmed information" in their material. That is the part that fails BLP. StrikerforceTalk 18:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
With all undue respect, good luck finding a source that meets your demands. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Ignoring the unnecessary tone of your comment, Bugs, could someone please explain to me why there seems to be such a problem with a desire for us to strictly adhere to BLP? That has been the frustrating part of this entire discussion over the last 24ish hours. StrikerforceTalk 18:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Tell that to Rick Santorum. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:20, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm not immediately familiar with the reference (I know who he is, but am blanking as to his relevance to this discussion). StrikerforceTalk 21:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit suggestion - Early life

change Lovato's parents divorced in mid-1994, shortly after her second birthday.[17] Lovato's father was of Mexican descent, with mostly Spanish and Native American ancestors, and came from a family that has been living in New Mexico for generations; he also had distant Portuguese and Jewish ancestry.[18][19] Her mother has English and Irish ancestry.[20][21] Through her father, Lovato is a descendant of Civil War Union veteran Francisco Perea (1830–1913) and Santa Fe de Nuevo México governor Francisco Xavier Chávez.[22] Through DNA testing Lovato discovered that she is also 16 percent of Scandinavian descent and one percent of African descent.[23]

Lovato was raised in Dallas, Texas. to Lovato's father was of Mexican descent, with mostly Spanish and Native American ancestors, and came from a family that has been living in New Mexico for generations; he also had distant Portuguese and Jewish ancestry.[18][19] Her mother has English and Irish ancestry.[20][21] Through her father, Lovato is a descendant of Civil War Union veteran Francisco Perea (1830–1913) and Santa Fe de Nuevo México governor Francisco Xavier Chávez.[22] Through DNA testing Lovato discovered that she is also 16 percent of Scandinavian descent and one percent of African descent.[23]

Lovato's parents divorced in mid-1994, shortly after her second birthday.[17] Lovato was raised in Dallas, Texas by her mother and stepfather. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontel (talk • contribs) 08:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Edit request on July 25, 2018

Under "Personal struggles", begin a fifth paragraph with the following:

The Los Angeles Police Department and other emergency service agencies responded to a call at Lovato's home on July 24, 2018. Upon arriving, emergency personnel treated Lovato at the scene before transporting her to a local hospital. Her family later released a statement through her management company thanking the public for their support, while stating that 25-year-old was "awake and with her family" and denying certain information that had been widely reported about the incident leading to Lovato's hospitalization.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://deadline.com/2018/07/demi-lovato-heroin-overdose-hospital-1202432779/|title=Demi Lovato “Awake And With Her Family” In Hospital After Reported Overdose – Update|last=Chmielewski|first=Erik Pedersen,Dawn C.|date=2018-07-25|work=Deadline|access-date=2018-07-25|language=en-US}}</ref>

Source is here. StrikerforceTalk 19:33, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

The article indicates an overdose, just no heroin. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Correct, which is where I feel we should go, under BLP, until further detail - and confirmation of such - emerges. StrikerforceTalk 21:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
It seems reasonable. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:26, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
OMG, what's the rush ? She's still alive, the article is not going anywhere. Can't we wait til NYT or LAT (and they will) confirm everything ? (just saying) - FlightTime (open channel) 21:40, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I noticed on ET this evening that they are talking about an overdose as a "given", though from what substance is not public knowledge at this point. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
  • May I suggest keeping it even shorter and limited to indisputable points, as in

On July 24, 2018, Lovato was rushed to a hospital after emergency services were called to her home. She was reported to be stable and recovering later in the day.[1]

Thoughts/edits/objections? Abecedare (talk) 03:59, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I feel as if her rep's statement is crucial as I see it verifying the reports of her hospitalization. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 04:23, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I think add in a bit of the statement from her rep and it's good. QueerFilmNerdtalk 05:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Sandra Gonzalez; Chloe Melas; Lisa Respers France (25 July 2018). "Demi Lovato stable and recovering after apparent overdose". CNN. Retrieved 26 July 2018.
I think before you even do that there should be a sentence or two mentioning her relapse earlier this year and possibly the song "sober" as the last paragraph of this section talks about her overcoming her addiction and then all of a sudden there's an information about her overdosing. ArturSik (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm okay with the alternative suggestion, as well. StrikerforceTalk 13:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I agree with ArturSik. However, it shouldn't be connected to this week's events as we don't know for sure. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 16:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I have inserted the suggested edit by @Abecedare: above. StrikerforceTalk 15:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

July 24, 2018 hospitalization

I reverted myself on the news of her hospitalization because I'd really feel more comfortable with a source other than TMZ (although they have established a reputation of being very accurate about things of this nature over the years) under BLP. StrikerforceTalk 20:27, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Anything being reported right now is redirecting back to the TMZ.com article, and since TMZ.com is not reliable, we should ideally wait for something else. Though, Variety did say that the LAPD did mention that there was a report from the home where Lovato is currently living. People also have a quote from the LAPD. This seems to be happening. livelikemusic talk! 20:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
I re-added it with an article from Variety which is more reliable than TMZ. QueerFilmNerdtalk 20:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Variety and People are still citing TMZ as the source, though. StrikerforceTalk 20:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
But, they have statements from LAPD made directly to them, which is legitimate enough. livelikemusic talk! 20:40, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
TMZ is not unreliable - this has been discussed at the reliable sources noticeboard repeatedly. Chase (talk | contributions) 20:43, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
The only statements that I have seen so far only say "medical emergency" and nothing specifically about the root cause. That's the part that I don't think we should be putting into the article without a source other than TMZ. StrikerforceTalk 20:43, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
TMZ has updated the post saying, "1:28 PM PT -- Law enforcement sources tell us Demi was treated with Narcan -- an emergency treatment for narcotic overdoses -- at her home. We've confirmed the OD occurred at her house in the Hollywood Hills." QueerFilmNerdtalk 20:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay, but the source is still TMZ. :) Let's wait for a statement released by her management or by LAPD, the hospital, etc that confirms the root cause of the medical emergency call. StrikerforceTalk 20:53, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Hollywood Reporter said there was a report of an overdose, but that they would not verify the person in-question. TMZ's "sources" are the ones stating it was Demi Lovato. livelikemusic talk! 20:56, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
People is now saying it with more information FYI. Magitroopa (talk) 20:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
We're still not there yet, folks. Still only TMZ being cited as the source for the overdose. StrikerforceTalk 21:01, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Except, People — a very reputable and respected source — have a statement from law enforcement, and are verifying that the report is, indeed, about Lovato herself. livelikemusic talk! 21:03, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I think most sources are going to say TMZ since they're the ones who first reported it. People does have a statement from law enforcements and a report that she's apparently stable and okay. QueerFilmNerdtalk 21:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

I can agree to adding information about her hospitalization, given the number of reliable sources that have picked up on that part of things, but I can't agree to a mention of overdose as the cause of the hospitalization, with the only primary source for that information (currently) being TMZ. StrikerforceTalk 21:13, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
People reported the overdose as "apparent," but also stated it cannot be verified that it's heroin she might've OD'd on! livelikemusic talk! 21:27, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm gonna have to agree with Skrikerforce and Livelikemusic. Numerous reliable sources are reporting her hospitalization but for what hasn't been confirmed. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 22:00, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Do we want to add her hospitalization and add what she was hospitalized for later? Or wait for a full statement. QueerFilmNerdtalk 22:13, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
I prefer to wait until an official statement has been made just because what's the rush. But I am fine with the other option. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 22:18, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
This article mentions the overdose (along with a cancellation of a special) as well as her being stable, without mentioning TMZ (also just adding this since it's the first source I've seen that doesn't mention TMZ). QueerFilmNerdtalk 23:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Deadline Hollywood released a report, with a statement from Lovato's camp. And, while they do cite TMZ, it's more so as "Per the original report" type of situation. livelikemusic talk! 03:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Now that we're getting some confirmed information, I think it's best that we include only her hospitalization until the cause is determined, if ever, more officially or reliably. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 04:02, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. Maybe something like On July 24, 2018 it was reported that Lovato was rushed to a Los Angeles hospital. Lovato's rep released a statement thanking everyone for their support but did not state what led to the hospitalization, or something similar? QueerFilmNerdtalk 04:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
A BBC citation: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44947602 kencf0618 (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
That wouldn't be acceptable under BLP due to this sentence within the article - "The 25-year-old was reportedly found unconscious and treated at the scene with naloxone, an anti-opioid medicine." A proper citation for the report that she was treated with Naloxone would then be required. StrikerforceTalk 13:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Point taken. kencf0618 (talk) 19:23, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I think it's safe to say that the news of her hospitalization is everywhere right now, so adding relevant information to the article won't cause any problem. As Strikerforce mentioned, we don't know "why" she was hospitalized. There's no need to add the reason behind hospitalization right now, but the incident itself can be mentioned. Keivan.fTalk 01:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. There's currently no information at all about the hospitalization. Doesn't that seem like a pretty glaring omission?--LibreLearner (talk) 03:15, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Protection note

I have raised the protection level of the article to "full protection" since users, apparently unaware of the above discussion, were repeatedly adding the hospitalization information. Once editors reach a consensus on the exact language and sources to be included, please use {{Edit fully-protected}} to request the change to be implemented (you can ping me too, and I'll try to respond asap, as long as I'm online). Abecedare (talk) 21:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

This has been confirmed Jase994 (talk) 01:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Please revert to semi-protection. See my reopen request below. --RBBrittain (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't edit Demi Lovato's page (my opinions will be on my user page), due to dirty little vandals (or this situation, right?). Sorry. However, there is significant media coverage from websites such as NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/demi-lovato-hospitalized-after-drug-overdose-n894231). 🖍S (talk) 17:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Sober

As mentioned above, it was suggested that her relapse, as sung in Sober, should be noted under Personal struggles. As such, I am suggesting the following content and source: 

On June 21, 2018, Lovato released Sober in which she revealed she had relapsed after celebrating six years of sobriety.[1]

References

  1. ^ Romano, Nick (June 21, 2018). "Demi Lovato confesses 'I'm not sober anymore' in new song". Retrieved July 28, 2018.

It would be separate from this week's events. Thoughts? Callmemirelatalk 04:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Hospitalization update

Demi released her statement regarding her hospitalization. Her recent instagram post includes a statement. I would include it but I am having trouble identifying the addiction she mentions. She has said she struggles with both drug and alcohol addiction. I was looking for comments and suggestions. Secondary source. Callmemirela 🍁 talk 21:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I definitely think it can be included. QueerFilmNerdtalk 23:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. It's a statement written by the subject herself and self-published on her verified account. Normally, self-published items would be a problem, but in this context, I'd argue that common sense should overrule guidelines. StrikerforceTalk 14:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Here's a BBC mention of her statement etc.: [1]. @Abecedare: it seems that sources have been provided for the whole event; would you please unprotect now? wumbolo ^^^ 16:45, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Pinging Courcelles, who had applied the latest edit-confirmed protection, to see if they think it can be reduced to semi. Note that in the meantime you can also use the {{edit-protected}} template to request any edit that is non-controversial or that has consensus. Abecedare (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Everyone in this conversation is extended confirmed, any of you can just edit the article, no need for requesting edits. I think I'd like to see a stable version agreed to by EC editors before we return it to semi, and let the statement age a couple days first... Courcelles (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Proposal:
    On July 24, 2018, she was rushed to the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles after emergency services were called to her home.[1][2] She was reported to be stable and recovering later in the day.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b CNN, Sandra Gonzalez, Chloe Melas and Lisa Respers France,. "Demi Lovato stable and recovering after apparent overdose". CNN. Retrieved 2018-07-27. {{cite news}}: |last= has generic name (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  2. ^ "Demi Lovato addresses addiction battle". BBC News. August 6, 2018. Retrieved August 9, 2018.
I think the BBC source essentially links this to the past addiction problems, and we can safely place this content to that paragraph, to avoid WP:PROSELINE. wumbolo ^^^ 17:16, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 Done StrikerforceTalk 17:22, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Abecedare and Courcelles: I think consensus has been established now, and there aren't any edits in the last few days, and the pageviews have been decimated since the events, so maybe unprotect now? wumbolo ^^^ 10:07, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Set back to indef semi protection, the status quo ante all this recent stuff. Courcelles (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Twitter

Demi's Twitter account remains deactivated and has been deactived/deleted since the drama and bullying(?) that unfolded after she posted/laughed at memes relating to 21 Savage revealed to being British. I, personally, had made the edit that mentioned all this and included that she deactived her account. This is what the edit read like before it was removed by another user who deemed it a "such a minor aspect of Lovato's career that is warrants no mention in this article": [My deleted EDIT] On February 3, 2019, Lovato deleted her Twitter account, following backlash she received after tweeting about how she found humour in memes relating to reports about rapper 21 Savage actually being British, after his arrest that same day by ICE for reportedly overstaying his visa. Lovato soon deleted her original post and took to Instagram to defend her actions, saying she wasn't laughing at anyone getting deported. She wrote "I know that's not a joke...not have I EVER laughed at that", and continued saying, "the meme I posted/was talking about was of him being writing with a feather pen." "Sorry if I offended anyone," she said, before addressing the drug abuse jokes that social media users made at her expense.

As I said, her account remains deactived to this day. She's had quite an interesting online persona and online behavior the last year or so, and those not familiar with WHY her account is deleted might be looking for a reliable source (her Wikipedia page). Especially too, since it's being such a lenghty "break" from Twitter. Can we please get a consensus on whether or not this should be re-added to her page, and if so, under which section? I felt as though placing it under "Personal issues" is an inappropriate sub-section, so maybe a different sub-section should be made under "Personal life"? That's of course if the edit is added again. Anyway, Idk... Your thoughts would be appreciated. AshMusique (talk) 08:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I see your point. It MIGHT be an important addition to make to her page, maybe under a section labeled "Social Media Presence." I might also argue for a section dedicated to "Public Image," although it would probably contain elements of other sections on her life, too, like her activism and how her health issues have factored into her image.
On another (totally unrelated) note, I hope no one changes the page and removes references to Demi Lovato's non-heterosexual orientation. I've noticed a problem with celebrities (particularly female celebrities) not having their pages reflect anything aside from heterosexuality if they don't explicitly apply a label to it. It has happened to Rita Ora and Ariana Grande before, in spite of both pretty explicitly stating that they are interested in women to some degree. Here's to hoping that Demi's page can continue containing explicit references to the fact that she is not straight, even if she does not label it. I also want to note that Demi Lovato does not have to label it. No one does. It is still valid and deserves recognition. Afddiary (talk) 02:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Grammar

DESK JOVI, as I mentioned on your talk page, please read MOS:OXFORD. Wikipedia's Manual of Style, in this instance, is quite clear, stating that an article should be internally consistent with regards to using the oxford/serial comma. Take a quick look at the lead, and you'll see that every other series uses the oxford comma. Therefore, the opening sentence should too. Thanks! GrammarDamner (talk) 17:55, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

Demi has another sister, regular, not half... Dallas Lovato 76.164.83.66 (talk) 11:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 12:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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