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Minor Edits (March 2021)

Information icon Hi TNstingray! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Star Wars (film) that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. SoWhy 16:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Archiving (April 2021)

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Please be more consistent with your archiving. I note you changing the order of sections and removing discussions randomly. You may want to consider one of the automated talk page archiving suggestions at Help:Archiving a talk page. Tiderolls 16:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

If you are continuing to archive manually, please create the new archive first and then delete the old material, always ensuring that the most recent threads remain on the active page.  Velella  Velella Talk   16:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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Tol | talk | contribs 22:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

This is unacceptable. You changed the content of a the direct quote, "likeable #######" to "likeable #######" with the misleading edit summary, "Clarification". In fact, you clarified nothing, and instead changed the text of a quote. If your concern is that the quote contains the word, "#######", please read WP:NOTCENSORED. If your concern was something else, this was still an improper edit and an improper edit summary. BD2412 T 21:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Per your response on my talk page, I will consider this resolved as a technical glitch. BD2412 T 01:05, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Magical creatures in The Chronicles of Narnia. Thanks! Whiteguru (talk) 01:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
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Great article, thank you! You may want to nominate it at WP:Did You Know. Rusalkii (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

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Obi-Wan Kenobi removal

Thanks for clarifying. I didn't know he played a stormtrooper, so I appreciate this explanation. — SirDot (talk) 12:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

@SirDot I should have explained myself more in the first place, so thank you for bringing it to my attention! — TNstingray (talk) 14:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Repeated attempts to push through changes at Sauron

Hi, not sure if anyone has explained this to you, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and do so now. Wikipedia works by consensus, not by pushing changes into articles by force. In this case, the article is already mature, meaning it has been edited for a long period by many hands, followed by a period of careful addition of scholarly and critical sources, and then by formal review. Such an article represents an agreed position, and all of its text can be traced to reliable sources. In that situation, we need a very good reason to make any large-scale change, such as rejigging the section headings. I've explained on the article's talk page why I think that a bad idea, so I won't repeat the arguments here. Please note that once you have been reverted once, you should either leave the reverted change well alone, or go to the article's talk page and explain why you think the change is needed. You have now twice attempted to force the change into the article, which is not acceptable: I hope you will never do that again. A talk page discussion is now open and if you wish to explain your point of view over there, you can. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap I'll respond in-depth on the talk page regarding the content itself. Regarding your points here, I am well aware of how consensus generally works on Wikipedia, though it would always do myself and even the most established editor well to review Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you for bringing the issue to my attention, and I will see you on the talk page momentarily. TNstingray (talk) 20:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

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Changed other users' comments at RfD

Hi TNstingray. Presumably you have something automated in your browser or whatever but FYI you removed "####", replacing it with "####" with your edit [1] to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 July 28. I have fixed this. Regardless of your opinions of the word it was appropriate in context and wikipedia is not censored! A7V2 (talk) 01:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

@A7V2 Thank you for fixing the issue! One of the devices I use has an old automated filter that has caused issues before (it's a long story). Most of the time, I am mindful of this and can avoid the unintentional censorship when I am just editing one section. However, this was the first RfD I have filed using the Twinkle extension, so now that is something else I need to be mindful about since it automatically fills out the details. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. TNstingray (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power#Music section

So nice to have a positive discussion about this article with someone after all the toxic reception stuff! Hope you enjoy the show (and music) when you see it - adamstom97 (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

It really is a nice change of pace! Hope you enjoy it as well! Looking forward to continuing to work with you. TNstingray (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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I was trying very hard to come up with a minor change to one sentence to actually retain the meaning of the sentence while removing a controversial element that is an opinion stated as fact and has been roundly criticized in the real world. I was trying to be collaborative, explaining my edits and modifying them in an attempt to find something acceptable. You met that with outright reversion and insults. Your reversion shows just how partisan you want the article to be. According to you, unadorned facts are "unnaceptable". I am certainly no less frustrated but a lot less amicable. LowKey (talk) 23:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

You are not presenting unadorned facts. You are taking Tolkien out of context to insert your opinion of Harfoots into the article, or the inverse thereof. I believe my patience and attempts fo communicate justified the inevitable reversion, and you are not innocent of delivering insults. I am sorry it had to come to this, but if you would have just presented arguments based on Wikipedia policy at the beginning or after prompting. TNstingray (talk) 23:38, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
I removed all adornment or description of harfoots and left in a link to the WP article that discusses them. Yes, I was presenting unadorned facts. I don't have an opinion of harfoots, apart from liking them greatly as I do hobbits in general (even poor Smeagal). I have an opinion about their inclusion in 2nd age depiction, but I have not inserted that into the article in any way. LowKey (talk) 23:54, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
It is possible that for most of these points, I am referring to these [2][3] edits, so we might just be talking in circles at this point. TNstingray (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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"Autofilling edit summaries" (9 September – 11 September 2022) [4]

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Redirects

In connection with your recent nominations at AfD, please be aware that an article does not need to be deleted before it can be redirected. Best, Ingratis (talk) 14:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ingratis. Hi, thank you for your message. Where would be the best place to discuss completely blanking pages and redirecting them to another? I figured that sort of change would need community input. TNstingray (talk) 15:22, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Not usually, if you stick to the guidelines in WP:REDIRECT. As far as I'm aware the usual sequence for blank-and-redirects, since they don't destroy the history, is for anyone who spots one and objects to it simply to revert the redirect and open a discussion on the talk page, and if there's still disagreement, at that point to go to AfD. There is also WP:RfD (i.e., redirects for discussion), which would be worth your while to look at, but this seems mostly concerned with newly-created redirects. Best, Ingratis (talk) 19:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Lord of Rings Rings of Power

"Such a silly thing to edit war over. Critical response to the writing is not discussed in the body. Audience response is not mentioned at all in the lede. I assume it is all the same user, who I will once again request to go to the talk page for further discussion.)" CRITICAL RESPONSE TO THE WRITING IS DISCUSSED IN THE BODY. REAT IT! I agree it is silly to have an edit war over. But the fact that you obviously didn't take the time to read the article makes your revision "silly". Not my insistence on citation. Which you also didn't read. If you have a citation (which shouldn't be too difficult to find. You might try the section "Critical Response" which you assumed didn't exist. Do you need a link? Some handholding? It wasn't a "war" until your revision. Why don't you get off your butt and do some work, instead of ruining other's? Cuvtixo (talk) 16:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC) PS I don't know what other edits you're referring to. I didn't make any others, so I have no idea what else you're referring to.

@Cuvtixo. I don't even know who you are, unless you are the one behind the IP addresses (WP:SOCKPUPPET?). In this [5] edit, your edit summary was: edit war started!. So, there goes any and all credibility as an editor right off the bat, and possibly suggests that you are WP:NOTHERE to build a collaborative encyclopedia. Please direct me to where critical response to the writing is listed. "Writing" is used on the page thirty times, none in the context of actual critical discussion. The Critical Reception also does not list writing. Ledes typically avoid citations (see WP:LEAD, as the material is referenced in the body. Read the article yourself, along with the pages on Wikipedia policy, some which can be found on my user page that I have found helpful. TNstingray (talk) 16:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
I often edit anonymously, trying to avoid personal retaliation, because I've been through these. I don't even check my account very much anymore. As for "edit war", I certainly wanted to attract attention that you are reverting my edits, three times now. Twice before I added the note "Edit War", because I suspected you'd just revert again. I wanted editors to weigh in here, because you cannot be trusted, and then you blame me for "not being collaborative". As if you're not willfully participating in starting the war. "No credibility", ha! Yes, ledes typically avoid citations, which is one reason I removed it altogether instead of [citation needed]. I have no idea what "writing" you're babbling about. I didn't say anything about writing. I think that's you're own idiotic assumptions about someone else's edit being mine.
All I did is remove the sentence about "generally positive reviews from critics" that was fairly subjective, firstly, and premature before all episodes were put out. I'm going to leave it now since the part about "but some criticism for its pacing and characterization", because that's at least somewhat evenhanded. You will see in coming days and again before the next season just how badly it gets rated without money pouring into fake "criticism" sponsored by Amazon Studios. that "generally positive" is fake promotional activity, although I can't cite yet, I at least want to minimize this false narrative. Critics know the writing is horrible, just horrible. The plot itself is awful, just nonsensical. The "generally positive" critical response is fake. Ratings and reviews on IMDB.com, for example. Paid for by Amazon. You will find this out soon. Cuvtixo (talk) 03:27, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
@Cuvtixo. So you admit to sock-puppetry to avoid personal responsibility and accountability. Got it. Just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. It would be helpful if you would declare which edits were yours, because I see no evidence of an edit war on my part. I don't even see a revert of your "Cuvtixo" account; those were all done by other editors. So the only evidence for an edit war is your self-declaration that you were starting an edit war in the edit I highlighted in my earlier response.
While I would want to assume good faith on the part of an inexperienced editor, you really seem to just be trolling and wasting my time. You removed a portion of the lede with no explanation, apparently multiple times under multiple puppets. Said information is reflected in the body, and instead of explaining yourself, you escalated the situation with an inflammatory edit summary and this random conversation.
I have no idea what "writing" you're babbling about. I didn't say anything about writing. I think that's you're own idiotic assumptions about someone else's edit being mine. Um... in your 6 October post on my talk page, you quite clearly spelled out CRITICAL RESPONSE TO THE WRITING IS DISCUSSED IN THE BODY. REAT IT!. I would advise you to "reat" this conversation again. The show's writing was a huge part of your complaint.
Critical reviews of the series are generally positive, and those areas of critique are highlighted. The only false narrative is your web of conspiracy theories. Of course, you are writing this from an 18 October perspective after the series is completed, but you were removing material in early October. That is inappropriate, and Wikipedia does not predict the future.
Audience reception does not equal critical reception. If you as a "fan" do not like the show, that is your prerogative. That's not what we reflect in the lede. That isn't a false narrative; that's just how the Manual of Style on Wikipedia has always operated and will continue to operate under community consensus. TNstingray (talk) 12:17, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse thread (again)

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"Searching for a specific phrase or source in Wikipedia" (15 October) [6]

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Have a day

  • [7] "Hipocrite wants to selectively remove pieces critical of Cruz/Littlefeather that quote social media, but use ones that rely on social media that are critical of the sisters and/or Keeler."
  • [8] "your continual pushing to trash her based on social media flurries is rather over the top. And you are continuing to misrepresent the miscommunication by one of the sisters."
  • [9] "Hipocrite... Again, these are talk pages and I'm asking you to AGF."

I hope you're having a wonderful day. Please avoid giving me civility advice on my talk page further. Thanks! Hipocrite (talk) 01:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, I recognized the conversation wasn't going anywhere when you blanked your talk page. Which, you are free to do, but I have found that really isn't a good look. The fact remains that incivility goes both ways, and it is our choice how we respond to it. You aren't going to convince anyone of anything with that attitude, even if you are right. Consider the possibility that some of what you are proposing could be clouded by an admiration for Littlefeather for her work, or maybe it would be WP:UNDUE at this point in the situation to scrounge for sources criticizing Keeler. Just things to think about, and I'm not saying either one is the case. This is more than likely falling on deaf ears. TNstingray (talk) 01:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Too soon

It looks like Melshi is well and truly on the WP:TOOSOON list until at least season 2. Thanks again for sending me to WP:FANCRUFT. It's very interesting, and, in the context of SW, where is the line? Is there a list of characters waiting for pages? ELdEL69 (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

@ELdEL69 Yeah, it's the continual tension between being a fan and building the encyclopedia for what it was intended to be. Often times, I have found that if there is any question, that likely means the subject is not notable enough. I also looked on the Star Wars WikiProject page and couldn't find where to locate any waiting drafts. Keep up the enthusiasm, and happy editing! TNstingray (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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i realized that what i JUST did was really stupid of me, thank you for reverting my mistake ;) glad that mike didnt really pass away though NUMBRstation (talk) 01:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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Star Wars

was i supposed to respond to your star wars question on this talk page? if so i responded on wikiproject star wars talk. Blitzfan51 (talk) 15:33, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think it would be best if we discussed the matter on the WikiProject talk page. TNstingray (talk) 14:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

OK

Hello. OK. As you wish. Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the revert, but the show's basis is primarily derived from and built upon Tolkien's scattered letters and other writings that were never compiled or published as a complete work, as opposed to books like The Silmarillion. TNstingray (talk) 17:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Don't Join apart, please consider combining the others

The others have an entirely similar rationale for deletion or retention. Don't Join is one where you have chosen a different rationale. I have offered an opinion there, but just cant bring myself to make half a dozen. or more further contributions, all the same (not the same as for Don't Join}, to the others. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 14:46, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for the suggestion. TNstingray (talk) 15:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sabine Wren (October 19)

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Thank you so much! TNstingray (talk) 19:39, 24 February 2024 (UTC)