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hi you reverted me at the talk I didn't understand why exactly because you didn't explain only reason I could come up with is that you and nyuszika edit a lot of the same articles and talk to each other a lot but I changed the talk section and maybe you didn't notice Tellusean (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Backstage (2016 TV series) is a Canadian TV series – it airs in Canada first; Disney Channel airs it second (approx. a week later). You should not replace the Canadian airdates with the subsequent U.S. airdates as you did with this edit. Please check for this kind of thing in the future before making changes to airdates in Episodes tables. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Seriously? This is bordering on disruptive. Sources for Canadian airdates aren't as readily available as U.S. airdates. That does not mean that it's not a CANADIAN TV series first. Please self-revert. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:21, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'm more than happy to work with you, and you know I respect you. As mentioned, we need to find sources that support the Canadian air dates. There were no sources whatsoever beforehand for the episodes, so we must work with what we have. In this case, we do have sources to support the US air dates. If we can find a reliable Canadian episode guide, we can use that to source the Canadian air dates in a separate column. Otherwise, people can easily challenge and remove them, and I know that you're picky in particular about having sources. The entire table could have been challenged and removed prior to my edits had someone wanted to. Amaury (talk) 05:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'm going to bed. You should have tried to look for Canadian sources yourself before changing them to the U.S. airdates. Many Canadian editors are going to find that kind of editing obnoxious (I know I do). And, as you know, in general, once an episode has aired, we don't usually require sourcing for that (additional sourcing is good, but not strictly necessary). My suggestion for airdates sourcing is to start with Family Channel and its website. But Canada doesn't have anything like The Futon Critic, and I'm not even sure if they have anything like Zap2It schedule listings, so the kind of sourcing you want may not be easily available. But that's no excuse for subbing in the U.S. airdates over the prior Canadian ones. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:29, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- @IJBall: We did this with Max & Shred, and you had no complaints there. Anyway, it was not my intention to get on your bad side. I apologize. This should be reasonable for now, and we—or, rather I—can find sources later. The only snatch is that since we have Canada listed for the country, the viewers column shows Canada rather than US even though those ratings are US views. I'm sure that's an easy fix, though. I just don't know what. However, that's not a terribly big issue. I did find a Canadian schedule, and it shows "NEW" when it's an episode premiere, but there is no strict guide for the show itself, and the general guide is only good for so long. I'll keep looking. Again, it was not my intention to upset you. Amaury (talk) 05:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- I did find this in the external links, and it would support the Canadian air dates. It's just a little outdated currently, and I don't know if it's reliable enough to be used as a source. (If it's not, people can still refer to it via the external links.) It would have been nice if you had left a message first and then we could have discussed; however, I originally should have done it with the two columns from the get-go, and I'll take full responsibility for that. Amaury (talk) 06:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, going to the 2-column thing for airdates is a fine compromise. Thanks. As for the Canadian ratings, those are likely to be even harder to come by than the Canadian airdates – I literally don't even know where to look for those, and they might not be available. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Sorry again, and I hope everything's okay between us. Looks like the difference between Backstage and Max & Shred is that Backstage is primarily for Canada, unlike Max & Shred. This whole thing could have been avoided had I just been thinking more and not letting the fact that it's a Canadian series primarily go over my head. I should have just done the two columns from the get-go as I already said earlier. Amaury (talk) 14:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, we're good. It's just that, in the future, double-check the ledes of articles like these to verify if a TV show is American, Canadian (or other!), or a "co-production" between two or more countries, before refining Episodes tables. In the case of Backstage, it looks like it's primarily a Canadian TV show that Disney Channel U.S. (and other national Disney Channels) just picked up to air too but doesn't co-produce. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Sorry again, and I hope everything's okay between us. Looks like the difference between Backstage and Max & Shred is that Backstage is primarily for Canada, unlike Max & Shred. This whole thing could have been avoided had I just been thinking more and not letting the fact that it's a Canadian series primarily go over my head. I should have just done the two columns from the get-go as I already said earlier. Amaury (talk) 14:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- @IJBall: We did this with Max & Shred, and you had no complaints there. Anyway, it was not my intention to get on your bad side. I apologize. This should be reasonable for now, and we—or, rather I—can find sources later. The only snatch is that since we have Canada listed for the country, the viewers column shows Canada rather than US even though those ratings are US views. I'm sure that's an easy fix, though. I just don't know what. However, that's not a terribly big issue. I did find a Canadian schedule, and it shows "NEW" when it's an episode premiere, but there is no strict guide for the show itself, and the general guide is only good for so long. I'll keep looking. Again, it was not my intention to upset you. Amaury (talk) 05:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'm going to bed. You should have tried to look for Canadian sources yourself before changing them to the U.S. airdates. Many Canadian editors are going to find that kind of editing obnoxious (I know I do). And, as you know, in general, once an episode has aired, we don't usually require sourcing for that (additional sourcing is good, but not strictly necessary). My suggestion for airdates sourcing is to start with Family Channel and its website. But Canada doesn't have anything like The Futon Critic, and I'm not even sure if they have anything like Zap2It schedule listings, so the kind of sourcing you want may not be easily available. But that's no excuse for subbing in the U.S. airdates over the prior Canadian ones. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:29, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'm more than happy to work with you, and you know I respect you. As mentioned, we need to find sources that support the Canadian air dates. There were no sources whatsoever beforehand for the episodes, so we must work with what we have. In this case, we do have sources to support the US air dates. If we can find a reliable Canadian episode guide, we can use that to source the Canadian air dates in a separate column. Otherwise, people can easily challenge and remove them, and I know that you're picky in particular about having sources. The entire table could have been challenged and removed prior to my edits had someone wanted to. Amaury (talk) 05:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your revert here. I noticed the episode summaries the user added or replaced matched almost verbatim what was in The Futon Critic, so I gave them a WP:COPYVIO warning. MPFitz1968 (talk) 14:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
I didn't know she has (or rather, had) multiple personality disorder. :P – nyuszika7h (talk) 11:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
What was wrong with this edit? The article mentions Lewie and Beast are twins. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Perhaps I was a bit hasty, but is that the primary focus of the show? Doesn't seem like it. Liv and Maddie's primary focus is about Liv and Maddie being twins, but the primary focus here is on Harley being the middle child, similar to the show Malcolm in the Middle. Amaury (talk) 19:52, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- I actually agree with you – it's not a TV show "about twins", it's a TV show "with twins". I don't know if there's a cat. like that. But I don't think it's a show "about twins", as the focus is Harley, and the twins are very secondary characters (at best). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- It used to be "Television series with/featuring twins", actually, but I guess the scope is meant to be smaller now to avoid overcategorization and only include those which focus on twins. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
- I actually agree with you – it's not a TV show "about twins", it's a TV show "with twins". I don't know if there's a cat. like that. But I don't think it's a show "about twins", as the focus is Harley, and the twins are very secondary characters (at best). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:29, 25 May 2016 (UTC)