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This article was nominated for deletion on 31 May 2011. The result of the discussion was keep.

Page rename[edit]

Since we cannot continue renaming this page any way we like, as mentioned by Yanhockey, i'm in favor of moving the page to original title "The War over Water". The title "The War over Water" was in tact until 8 February 2011, and no consensus was gained for rename/move at that time. If any one of the editors would like to rename it to other than original title (including myself), let's make it an official rename/move request.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My user name is not Yanhockey. Having said that, I disagree about the move. WP:THE is clear on this:

If the name of the article is not the title of a work, an official name, or another proper name, avoid the definite ("the") and indefinite ("a"/"an") articles at the beginning of a page name.

I'm sure we can agree that this is not the title of a work and not a proper name. The official name also does not include "the". Therefore, it should not be in the title.

—Ynhockey ^(Talk) 19:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is the original title - Cooley, John, K. (Spring, 1984). "The War over Water". Foreign Policy 54: 3–26.[1]. Unless you can find a proper source for 1964-1967 resource conflict as "War over Water", we need to mv it back to original, or rename it to a different one with consensus. It seems strange that you revert my title suggestion, stating "no consensus", but the unagreed change from February is ok by you. Anyway "War over Water" or "The War over Water" is misleading, same as Bolivian "War Over Water": [2].Greyshark09 (talk) 21:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The source provided does not say that the title of the engagement is The War over Water. If anything, it proves the opposite—that The War over Water (or any variation of it) is a descriptive title, describing... a war over water. The second link you provided further strengthens my point because if there has been more than one notable military engagement over water, calling this one the war over water would be counter-productive, because it's just one of a number of wars over water that have taken place around the world. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:21, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Regarding consensus: You should try to understand how consensus is built on Wikipedia. One of the things that indicate consensus is the lack of opposition. If someone makes an article move, and no one moves or asks to move the article back, that means there is consensus for the move. The same applies pretty much to any edit on Wikipedia, with few exceptions. Yes, consensus can change, and that's why we're having this discussion here. Currently the consensus version is War over Water, unless there is consensus to change it. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that your synthesis passes, just because there was no opposition on this low viewed article, you will find yourself being wrong.Greyshark09 (talk) 05:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to link this discussion in the relevant WikiProjects if you would like input from other editors. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:03, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]