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who thinks it's Harcles Hill? its clearly Holcombe Hill

Look at any OS map Derbydave 14:43, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the revision. Holcombe Hill does not exist. The hill that Peel Tower is on is Harcles - I have included a reference of an Ordnance Survey map to try to establish this fact. To the North West of Harcles is Bull Hill which includes Holcombe Moor but Holcombe Hill does not exist. Harcles Hill has the village of Holcombe on its flank which often leads locals to call it Holcombe Hill ... but it isn't. I hope this helps to clear this matter up. Derbydave 23:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I find this difficult to accept because I have NEVER heard anybody EVER refer to Harcles Hill.

Official photo guides as old as 1896 refer to "Holcombe Hill":

http://francisfrith.co.uk/pageloader.asp?page=/shop/books/bookcontent.asp&isbn=1-85937-266-X&start=41

Bury Council call it Holcombe Hill

http://www.bury.gov.uk/LeisureAndCulture/ParksAndRecreation/Countryside/PlacesToVisit/HolcombeMoor.htm

Photo of tower named "holcombe hill" -- this site sourced as a ref on the Bury page

http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/towns/bury1.html http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/celebs/politicians2.html

Visit Manchester cannot decide

http://www.visitmanchester.com/WhatToSeeDetail.aspx?ProductId=1449&ExperienceId=7& http://visitmanchester.com/Parts3.aspx?ExperienceId=14&PartId=105

Another formal website with Holcombe Hill on the caption

http://www.iknow-northwest.co.uk/tourist_information/manchester/bury/ramsbottom_lancs.htm

Lancashire telegraph

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/localinfo/touristguide/display.var.740150.0.tourist_guide_to_ramsbottom.php

If indeed you are right then i propose that we petition Council to officially rename it Holcombe Hill.

Parkinpants 23:00 December 28th 2006 (UTC)

If? It's called Harcles Hill because that's its name. Just because so many people and organisations think it's Holcombe Hill does not make it so. Thank you for all those references, but they're all wrong. Most of them are from the Internet ( a remarkably inaccurate source). The Ordnance Survey is somewhat more reliable. Its origins go back to 1747 and it had Royal patronage. Maybe you'd like to contact them and tell them have got it wrong? Your never having heard anyone refering to it by its real name does not mean that it is not called Harcles. I'm sorry to have to be the bearer of this news but ..well it's called Harcles. Hope this helps. Derbydave 00:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do not doubt the accuracy of what you say, i am just amazed that nobody knows this fact. Either a sign should be put up at the bottom, top and middle of the hill saying "Harcles Hill, not Holcombe Hill... no such hill exists" or Council should just accept that over the passage time it has become Holcombe Hill and rename it appropriately.

Parkinpants 23:00 December 28th 2006 (UTC)

I think if you did an internet search you will find the hill exists — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owen1983 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 25 June 2015

I have a confession to make here. Years ago I had a mate who actually lived on that little row of houses that back onto the hillside. His Dad was always walking the hill and they knew every last nook and cranny of the place. It was he who told me its real name. If it weren't for that conversation I wouldn't know it. Since that day I have never heard anyone use the name. It's an obscure fact. Unfortunately, although we live in a democracy, it seems to count for bog all in this type of matter. It would make more sense start placing signage on the hill on the most used walks and on street signs leading to the hill. Derbydave 20:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem pal . i agree with the signage atleast it will tell people about it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owen1983 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 25 June 2015

This 19th century Ordnance Survey map shows Holcombe Hill marked. Modern maps show a summit marked "Harcles Hill" ½ mile north of the monument, but there's another, nearer, unnamed summit 1000 ft to the northwest of the monument, where the 19th century map shows "Holcombe Hill". -- Dr Greg talk 20:05, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Several years on, and the article is still wrongly stating that the monument is on Harcles Hill. As Dr Greg says, Harcles Hill is 1/2 mile north of Holcombe Hill. Derbydave seems to be confusing Holcombe Hill, not named on the OS map he shared, with Holcombe Moor, named on the OS map further north but in fact referring to a wider area including Holcombe Hill, Harcles Hill and Bull Hill. --109.157.54.18 (talk) 23:25, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Not alone[edit]

This article is about one Peel Monument. There is at least one other, which is in Dronfield. We could make the article more inclusive, perhaps including statues and busts. The alternative would be to move the existing article to Peel Monument (Ramsbottom).TSRL (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If/when I upload my draft below, can update to Peel Monument (Ramsbottom) Nick Sheppard (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New draft to address quality concerns[edit]

In my sandbox here: User:OAnick/sandbox

Captures most of the current article and cited mainly from this primary reference https://lancashirepast.com/2019/11/23/peel-monument-or-holcombe-tower-bury/

Only done it quickly…will look for more varied primary sources and still need to find references for few facts from current, but I think probably already better than current article? Nick Sheppard (talk) 00:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]