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March 2014

Stop icon Your addition to Northern Cyprus has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Your edit included text from http://www.studyinnorthcyprus.com.ng/study-in-north-cyprus/history-of-north-cyprus.html This is not the first time you copy material from online sources. Please stop doing that. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

You reverted my edit with the edit summary "Rv copyvio from http://www.studyinnorthcyprus.com.ng/study-in-north-cyprus/history-of-north-cyprus.html.".
1. "http://www.studyinnorthcyprus.com.ng/study-in-north-cyprus/history-of-north-cyprus.html" is not working.
2. You can obtain the content of that site from the Google Buffer.
3. The site "www.studyinnorthcyprus.com.ng" uses the content of Wikipedia! Not the other way around.
Hence, your "usage of copyrighted material" claim is wrong.
Also, instead of reverting with the "accusing usage of copyrighted material", make a "serious" reading and analyzing! Also, stop "Blocking Threats".
You requested Block already for me, and you were rejected. Do you remember? Old habits never easily dies!

Alexyflemming (talk) 21:15, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Dr.K. said "Since you know the correct place is the article, you also know that my talkpage is not the correct place". I just added 1-lined caution for you to look at the Talk Page. Dr.K., you can also add 1-lined cautions to take my attention to the relevant places.Alexyflemming (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The link http://www.studyinnorthcyprus.com.ng/study-in-north-cyprus/history-of-north-cyprus.html works perfectly, so no need for you to provide the link from Google buffer. The text you were shuffling is identical to the text from that link. We have to determine who added that text and whose text it is originally. If you didn't add it originally I will remove my copyvio warning from your page. As far as your other nonsense leave the personal attacks because the only thing I did is give you a standard copyvio warning and that language is part of the template and it is not meant as a threat, so relax. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:48, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
I investigated further and it appears that this text was there before your edit. It was a misunderstanding on my part. You already removed my warning from your talkpage so I cannot withdraw it from there but I will undo my reversion of your edit. Sorry about that. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:57, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Sub-Headers

Chipmunkdavis removed sub-headers with the pretext "Removing bolded subheaders. We should aim for flowing prose rather than bullet point paragraphs. Granted, this is currently nowhere near that, but we can hope. We should also consider making a main page or shifting detail somehow.".
I think, sub-headers reflected to create true chronological order and help the readers to grasp general pivotal events at a second. Hence, they should be protected.Alexyflemming (talk) 11:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

There should be a chronological order in the prose, with or without subheaders. As for readers grasping stuff in a second, isn't the point of our prose to have some level of explanation, rather than being bullet points? The level of explanation depends on the level of the prose. So our lead has the short punchy history, our history section here has a slightly longer explanation, and the main page theoretically has the large detail. (There is no history page just for Northern Cyprus, and the Modern History of Cyprus page doesn't have that much detail at the moment though.) CMD (talk) 12:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
That's why, a systematic transition to "creating related articles of Northern Cyprus" and to "creating related articles of Cyprus dispute" should be realized. However, there are very Wikipedians who are insisting to load everything to a single article as for "Cyprus dispute" related things! (Currently, there are various Merge requests from many places to merge in "Cyprus dispute") And, the newly created articles about Northern Cyprus-related things are either deleted or merged to "Cyprus dispute" in a little while. What a pity.Alexyflemming (talk) 12:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
There's no reason that such pages can't be created. What should be kept in mind is that there is no wp:deadline or pressure to get these things done fast. If you want to create pages, and have them stick, then make them in a subpage, like User:Alexyflemming/draft1. After this, ask others to comment on it, possibly by posting on this talkpage or on the Cyprus Dispute talkpage. It can be improved while it is still a subpage, and if you get agreement before putting it in the mainspace, taking into account advice such as dropping sources which aren't that reliable, then it is unlikely to be merged away. Northern Cyprus is actually the easiest conflict area to work on in Wikipedia. CMD (talk) 12:58, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Nice advice, thanks.Alexyflemming (talk) 13:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Move to more neutral title

This should be moved to a more neutral title like Turkish-occupied Cyprus per Israeli-occupied territories and all the propaganda in Wikipedia calling Israel's lands "occupation." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:6000:F241:7A00:D4FA:7B16:D650:EB82 (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME and WP:POVTITLE. CMD (talk) 23:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Well mate there is a page called State of Palestine. Look to the other side of medallion, Israeli-occupied territories exist but also the State of Palestine. elmasmelih (used to be KazekageTR) 05:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Suport Should be Turkish-occupied Cypus. Reaper7 (talk) 00:15, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus is used much more frequently in English-language media, also the title Northern Cyprus seems quite neutral to me as it's just a geographical description. Alæxis¿question? 19:11, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Pre invasion history

Information is being added regarding the pre invasion history of Cyprus. I feel this would be better in the article on Cyprus. If it is being brought over from there, it is at best redundancy and at worst could be seen as adding legitimacy and our "endorsement" to the de facto state. Opinions? Britmax (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Propaganda article hiding all the truths

The whole article is a propaganda article hiding all but all the truths. I am wondering, if there is anyone actually monitoring what is written and what is not....Lol!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 21:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Let us know which truths are being hidden and we'll see if anything needs changing. Your remarks above are not very helpful. Britmax (talk) 17:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Are you trying to be ironic? Lol!!! We are talking about an article that is saying that the ottomans have liberated Cyprus and you are asking me which truths is it hiding and you will see if anything needs changing?...Lol!!!! Liberating means this perhaps.....

Here is a truth, by a trustworthy source, unlike this article....

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+cy0017)

The whole wikipedia article is a lie and an orchestrated turkish propaganda....Make yourself useful and tell me where to report this article for deletion, before I speak with the government of Cyprus about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 23:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, theres's the problem. You seem to be one of those people who thinks the that if the entire history of everything isn't repeated in every article something is being hidden. This article is titled "Northern Cyprus". Therefore anything that happens before the creation of the area given that name is probably covered with a brief overview of history that directs you to a full article on the subject, in this case probably this one, using a hyperlink. Britmax (talk) 09:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
That has nothing to do with a brief overview, either I am one of those people....That was just an example. The whole article is a 100% turkish orchestrated propaganda. I am experienced in this, I know what I am talking about. Where can I report it for deletion.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 13:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
It might be an idea for you to follow your posts with four tildes (4x~). This will sign and date your posts so that the bot doesn't have to do it for you. The deletion application page you seek is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Good luck with that. Britmax (talk) 13:44, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Anyhow, I have replaced the history of the article with the history of Cyprus, which is well sourced, realistic and neutral, to give the article a second chance.

Hahahahah first time i've seen a Greek nationalist like you mate. It was Turks who were saying that Wikipedia works behalf on Greeks all the time. You suprised me. elmasmelih 14:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

You are in the turkish wiki projects elmasmelih, you are not exactly neutral aren't you.? The turks are living in a propaganda regime.

GiorgosY, "I know what I am talking about" is an entirely unhelpful statement to make. If you really know, and are serious about contributing to the article, then you should be able to cite sources to back up your claims. Otherwise, the content changes you have made and argue for will probably not remain. Alternatively, if your knowledge is entirely of your own creation and is unpublished, then, however good it is, it is called Original Research and should not be here. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:03, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

The changes that I had made were well sourced by respectable sources.

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de jure/ de facto

I will put a footnote and add an extra sentence to "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus" part since:
a. "de jure/de facto" is the decision of UN SC, and the international community does not act mutatis mutandis same with UN SC. There are many international organizations that does not give even an inch to UN SC. In these organizations, "being a member of UN" is not a necessary condition to become a member.
b. There are hundreds of international organizations in which Northern Cyprus and its organizations are members. (I will add all those. Leave your comments below all my edits)

1. Yeni Bogazici municipality of Northern Cyprus is a member of Cittaslow. It is the only member from Cyprus island. See "Northern Cyprus" in Cittaslow page. By the regulations of Cittaslow, any municipality from the island (including those of Rep. of Cyprus) must take permission of Yeni Bogazici municipality to be a member of Cittaslow.
2. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different members of European Pocket Billard Federation (EPBF). 2014 European Pocket Billiard Championship was hosted by Northern Cyprus.
In World Pool Billiard Association (WPA), Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different member countries. See EPBF's select box in link.
Northern Cyprus and Cyprus was matched in 2010 European Billiard Championship as two different countries and under different flags
3. Northern Cyprus is a member of Federation International Footballtennis Association (FIFTA). Cyprus is not a member.
2011 European FootballTennis Championship was hosted by Northern Cyprus.
4. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different countries in European Countries Biologist Association (ECBA)
5. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different countries in International Hotel and Restaurant Association (IHRA)
6. Northern Cyprus is a member of Global Taekwondo Federation (GTF). Cyprus is not a member.
GTF 9th World Championship was hosted by Northern Cyprus
The headquarter of "Eurasia Taekwondo Federations Union (ETFU)" is in Kyrenia of Northern Cyprus
7. Northern Cyprus is a member country of International TURKSOY Organization
8. Northern Cyprus' passport is recognized by many countries (Australia, United States of America (USA), United Kingdom (UK), France, Pakistan, Turkey, Germany, Azerbaijan, Syria, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzistan, etc.). NC passport is a valid legal entrance document.
9. Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are two different member countries of International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA)Alexyflemming (talk) 18:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Honorous International Sports Organizations completely excludes any politics (UN, UN SC, etc.) from sports intentionally:
Recognition of Kosovo as associate member
"...the Secretary General and I (President of FILA) decided to create a category of associated members in the statutes in order to accept certain federations, after consultation with the legal department which raised no objection..."
"...to allow all wrestlers in the world to practice wrestling without political or religious discrimination..."
"Bureau (of FILA)...always applied the non interference of politics in sport."
"FILA recognized before the other International Federations and sometimes even before IOC: 1. Palestine (which is not even a state), 2. South Africa when it was boycotted by IOC and the majority of nations because of its apartheid policy 3. East Germany (DDR) etc."
"In my capacity as FILA President, I refuse to take political position and I can assure all parties that my objectives are only to comply with the FILA rules and to provide all the wrestlers in the world with the possibility to practice their sport where political alienation refuses to see reality in front."
There are honorous international organizations in the world that completely separates politics and sports. Sports bodies in the world are definitely are parts of International Community.Alexyflemming (talk) 18:20, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
All of these strengthen the de facto position without affecting the de jure position. What are you trying to achieve? Britmax (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
What I say is that: "de jure, de facto" issue does not bind international organizations (which are definitely a part of international community) that does not accept "validity according to UN or UN SC" as a pre-condition for membership. In some of the organizations above, there are some Northern Cypriots that are in Administrative Board of that organizations! Also, there are some int'l organizations which does not give a penny to UN and UN SC. Also, as I proved above: there are international organizations whose headquarter is in Northern Cyprus.Alexyflemming (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
These organisations do not in any way represent the "international community". They are just isolated organisations, not supported by reliable sources as "the international community". Passport recognition does not imply official recognition by "the international community". This is a typical case of synthesis and original research. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 15:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
These organisations do not in any way represent the "international community:
The entity "international community" has no legal personality. So, saying "this does not represent international community" is completely rubbish.
The above organizations are definitely are parts of "international community" (which again has no legal personality).
They are just isolated organisations, not supported by reliable sources as "the international community":
In which reliable source the entity/phrase "international community" has a single legal personality? None!
Passport recognition does not imply official recognition by "the international community"
Is "international community" a country/entity/personality which has the authority to recognize or does not recognize a country?
If (according to you) passport recognition does not imply official recognition by "the international community", then what is the sign of official recognition by international community?
This is a typical case of synthesis and original research
What is synthesis/original research is that "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus" since this sentence establishes "international community" as a single entity and as having legal personality, which is definitely not!. This way of expressing the situation is synthesis and original research.Alexyflemming (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


The source of "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus" in the article is this one:
Susannah Verney (13 September 2013). Euroscepticism in Southern Europe. Routledge. pp. 161–. ISBN 978-1-317-99612-5.: "The international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island."
What Susannah mentions as "international community" are all political organizations. international community are not solely formed by political organizations.
International sports/education/etc. organizations are also part of "International community"!
There are many international sportive and educational organizations to which Northern Cyprus is a member!
There are many international sportive and educational organizations that give nill importance to politics and to which Northern Cyprus is not currently a member!
As for politics, what Susannah says is not true as well!:
Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) (2nd largest after UN) does not recognize "sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island."
Nobody can show such a recognition of RoC by OIC. Also, OIC gave "Northern Cyprus" an "observer" status (under the name "Turkish Cypriot State").
Many organizations of OIC was hosted by Northern Cyprus and its presidents, prime ministers, ministers etc. in the past.
Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO) (An organization with 10 countries) does not recognize "sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island.".
Nobody can show such a recognition of RoC by ECO. Also, ECO gave "Northern Cyprus" an "observer" status (under the name "Turkish Cypriot State").
Alexyflemming (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Again, you have to bring reliable sources which say that "Northern Cyprus is recognised by the international community". You cannot cherry-pick factoids from sources and then reach your own conclusion that Northern Cyprus is recognised by the international community. Also you cannot criticise reliable sources by experts just because you disagree with their conclusions. This is your own WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and you can't do that. It is unacceptable and WP:DISRUPTIVE. One more time: Your arguments and conclusions are WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. On top of that your actions reveal a bad case of WP:IDIDN'THEARTHAT. It is high time for you to consider stopping this disruption. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Somebody keeps removing the multiple references I have added about the "international community". I have restored them, added four more and then added another four. Here they are all 14 (fourteen) of them:

1.<ref name="Verney2013">{{cite book|author=Susannah Verney|title=Euroscepticism in Southern Europe|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=1S_dAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA161|date=13 September 2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-317-99612-5|pages=161–|quote=The international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island.}}</ref>

2.<ref name="Conference2007">{{cite book|author=European Consortium for Church-State Research. Conference|title=Churches and Other Religious Organisations as Legal Persons: Proceedings of the 17th Meeting of the European Consortium for Church and State Research, Höör (Sweden), 17-20 November 2005|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=hogL92shGUIC&pg=PA50|year=2007|publisher=Peeters Publishers|isbn=978-90-429-1858-0|page=50|quote=There is little data concerning recognition of the 'legal status' of religions in the occupied territories, since any acts of the 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' are not recognized by either the Republic of Cyprus or the international community.}}</ref>

3.<ref name="Quigley">{{cite book|author=Quigley|title=The Statehood of Palestine|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iTR3BQ0aJ6UC&pg=PA164|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-49124-2|page=164|quote=The international community found this declaration invalid, on the ground that Turkey had occupied territory belonging to Cyprus and that the putative state was therefore an infringement on Cypriot sovereignty.}}</ref>

4.<ref name="Tocci2004">{{cite book|author=Nathalie Tocci|title=EU Accession Dynamics and Conflict Resolution: Catalysing Peace Or Consolidating Partition in Cyprus?|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=T6Z0Io3kQZ4C&pg=PA56|date=January 2004|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-0-7546-4310-4|page=56|quote=The occupied territory included 70 percent of the island's economic potential with over 50 percent of the industrial ... In addition, since partition Turkey encouraged mainland immigration to northern Cyprus. ... The international community, excluding Turkey, condemned the unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) as a.}}</ref>

5.<ref name="WivelSteinmetz2013">{{cite book|author1=Dr Anders Wivel|author2=Robert Steinmetz|title=Small States in Europe: Challenges and Opportunities|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iUeWqEjS6-IC&pg=PA165|date=28 March 2013|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-1-4094-9958-9|page=165|quote=To this day, it remains unrecognised by the international community, except by Turkey}}</ref>

6.<ref name="Neville2013">{{cite book|author=Peter Neville|title=Historical Dictionary of British Foreign Policy|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=dVosJPY04xAC&pg=PA293|date=22 March 2013|publisher=Scarecrow Press|isbn=978-0-8108-7371-1|page=293|quote=...Ecevit ordered the army to occupy the Turkish area on 20 July 1974. It became the Republic of Northern Cyprus, but Britain, like the rest of the international community, except Turkey, refused to extend diplomatic recognition to the enclave. British efforts to secure Turkey's removal from its surrogate territory after 1974 failed.}}</ref>

7.<ref name="Hakki2007">{{cite book|author=Murat Metin Hakki|title=Cyprus Issue: A Documentary History, 1878-2006|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=JAMCAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA536|date=24 October 2007|publisher=I.B.Tauris|isbn=978-0-85771-980-5|page=536|quote=Since the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was not recognised by any member of the international community other ...}}</ref>

8.<ref name="Kaczorowska2013">{{cite book|author=Alina Kaczorowska|title=European Union Law|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jzcxTtW23tMC&pg=PA43|year=2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-0-415-69597-8|page=43|quote=The Republic of Cyprus has always been recognised by the international community as one State exercising ... is recognised only by Turkey as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, being under military control of Turkey, did not, in fact, join ...}}</ref>

9.<ref name="AgnewMuscarà2012">{{cite book|author1=John A. Agnew|author2=Luca Muscarà|title=Making Political Geography|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=AHMlWqCVCX8C&pg=PA47|year=2012|publisher=Rowman & Littlefield|isbn=978-1-4422-1230-5|page=47|quote=Although the “international community” does not recognize Northern Cyprus as a sovereign state, its mail does get ...}}</ref>

10.<ref name="Kohen2006">{{cite book|author=Marcelo G. Kohen|title=Secession: International Law Perspectives|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=FUh8W1-TnNcC&pg=PA203|date=21 March 2006|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-0-521-84928-9|page=203|quote=the organs of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which to date remains an entity not recognised by the international community, }}</ref>

11.<ref name="Leckie2007">{{cite book|author=Scott Leckie|title=Housing and Property Restitution Rights of Refugees and Displaced Persons: Laws, Cases, and Materials|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=HyfqzaFBMLoC&pg=PA448|date=28 May 2007|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-46409-3|page=448|quote=The complaints raised in this application arise out of the Turkish military operations in northern Cyprus in July and August ... This development was condemned by the international community. ... of the establishment of the “TRNC” legally invalid and calling upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot State other than the ...}}</ref>

12.<ref name="Commerce2004">{{cite book|author=International Chamber of Commerce|title=Europe Review 2003/04: The Economic and Business Report|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Hwi0s3I5jLEC&pg=PA81|date=1 March 2004|publisher=Kogan Page Publishers|isbn=978-0-7494-4067-1|page=81|quote=Without a deal ending the years of division being reached, the EU might still find it difficult to accept northern Cyprus as a new member, especially when it is unrecognised by the international community as a separate state }}</ref>

13.<ref name="Mirbagheri2014">{{cite book|author=Farid Mirbagheri|title=Cyprus and International Peacemaking 1964-1986|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=_Ht9AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA101|date=1 May 2014|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-136-67745-8|page=101|quote=Turkish Cypriots, received international condemnation, putting them at loggerheads with the international community and the United Nations and making peacemaking efforts even harder than before.}}</ref>

14.<ref name="Brown1993">{{cite book|author=Michael Edward Brown|title=Ethnic Conflict and International Security|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=cstjhpRd-F4C&pg=PA184|year=1993|publisher=Princeton University Press|isbn=0-691-00068-9|page=184|quote=The island remains divided, but the Northern Cypriot state has not been recognized by the international community,}}</ref>

The reliable sources have spoken. Please stop your WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH violations as well as your WP:DISRUPTION and please WP:DROPTHESTICK. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I can think of an organization who will soon know whether the "international community" exists. Britmax (talk) 06:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Good point. Thank you Britmax. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 06:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
The teachers (1, 2, 3) who will make the organization soon know something escaped from the war field without looking their backs!. Also, Turks learn their lessons immediately: 26 August-9 September 1922 (only 2 weeks), 20-22 July 14-16 August 1974 (only 6 days), 31 January 1996 (only 1 day). I hope the others got prepared and have the same learning speed as well :) It seems semesters gets shorter and shorther and will be less than 1 day with distance learning (0:35-1:20) with a further emphasis over the topics covered (1:40 - 2:05). I think, life-time-learning will not be needed anymore!.Alexyflemming (talk) 09:55, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Disproof of the Constant Backing the Same Reasoning

You have to bring reliable sources which say that "Northern Cyprus is recognised by the international community".

"International community" is not an entity/personality/country can or don't recognize a country. That said, "recognition" is not the condition of being legal.
I asked you a very simple question: "what is the sign/proof of official recognition by international community?"
Just in the way it is presented in the article of Northern Cyprus, it is over, over and over loaded.
You are showing 14 sources (in the article) just for the one fact you stated. Repeating billions of times does not form proof.
To your info: Armenians mentioned, written, showed "billions of times" "Armenian Genocide".
European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) (17.12.2013, Perinçek v. Switzerland, application no. 27510/08): "1915 events cannot be qualified as genocide", and punished Switzerland!
The President of the ICJ Justice Hisashi Owada: "International law contains no "prohibition on declarations of independence."
International Court of Justice (2010, Kosovo): "The issue of recognition was a political one."
That is to say, "being not recognized does not affect legality/illegality of a country". Recognition is a political action.

you cannot criticise reliable sources by experts just because you disagree with their conclusions. This is your own WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and you can't do that:

I do not criticize, I show counter-examples that their results are not all inclusive.
The "experts" you mentioned bases some of their arguments to "non-recognition" of Northern Cyprus. International Court of Justice (2010, Kosovo): "Recognition is something political, not legal!"
In another example, Susannah says "Council of Europe" example besides others. The situation of "Cyprus" is different than all other members of Parliamentary Assembly of Council of Europe (PACE). Here are the facts:
Cyprus does not recognize any of the followings and declares all illegal: Northern Cyprus, Assembly of Northern Cyprus, Parliamenters in Assembly of Northern Cyprus.
Representatives of Greek Cypriots are elected in the Assembly of Cyprus. Representatives of Turkish Cypriots are elected in the Assembly of Northern Cyprus, an entity that is illegal according to Rep. of Cyprus!
Representatives of Spanians and Catholonians are all elected in the Assembly of Spain!

"...cherry-pick factoids..."

Which one of the experts you listed above accepts/states/regards "international community" as a single legal entity/personality/country that has the authority to recognize or non-recognize a country in the world.
None! The usage and mentionings in that resources are in the meaning of "mainly non-acceptance by the international arena, not fully"! Hence, your way of using the sources is over-loading and cherry-picking. I will show your cherry-pickings from your 14 sources one by one.
As for the 14 sources you gave:
1.

<ref name="Verney2013">{{cite book|author=Susannah Verney|title=Euroscepticism in Southern Europe|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=1S_dAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA161|date=13 September 2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-317-99612-5|pages=161–|quote=The international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island.}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: "international community (UN, EU, Council of Europe and other international organisations) recognise the de jure sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the whole island"
  • There is no sentence of “Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus”, hence synthesis, original research.
  • Used rather in the meaning of “membership to UN, EU, CoE, other int’l organizations”
2.

<ref name="Conference2007">{{cite book|author=European Consortium for Church-State Research. Conference|title=Churches and Other Religious Organisations as Legal Persons: Proceedings of the 17th Meeting of the European Consortium for Church and State Research, Höör (Sweden), 17-20 November 2005|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=hogL92shGUIC&pg=PA50|year=2007|publisher=Peeters Publishers|isbn=978-90-429-1858-0|page=50|quote=There is little data concerning recognition of the 'legal status' of religions in the occupied territories, since any acts of the 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' are not recognized by either the Republic of Cyprus or the international community.}}</ref>

  • Source is dated to 2007 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.
  • Usage in the source: "...any acts of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" are not recognized by either the Republic of Cyprus or the international community..."
  • Not only the laws of "Immovable Property Commission of Northern Cyprus (and its related laws)" but also all laws of Northern Cyprus without any exception are recognized at European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR): http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/Pages/search.aspx#{"fulltext":["Pavlides"],"documentcollectionid2":["CASELAW"],"itemid":["001-122907"]} ECtHR Decision 02.07.2013, App. nos. 9130/09 and 9143/09; Pavlides v. Turkey; Georgakis v. Turkey. ECtHR: "...notwithstanding the lack of international recognition of the regime in the northern area, a de facto recognition of its acts may be rendered necessary for practical purposes. Thus, THE ADOPTION BY THE AUTHORITIES OF THE "TRNC" OF CIVIL, ADMINISTRATIVE OR CRIMINAL LAW MEASURES, AND THEIR APPLICATION OR ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THAT TERRITORY, may be regarded as HAVING A LEGAL BASIS in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention".
    Note: In the related above case, the application of Greek Cypriots was found to be "INADMISSABLE" by ECtHR and IMMEDIATELY REJECTED by ECtHR! That is to say, the applicant Greek Cypriots were expelled just at the beginning of the process. Case was never handled by the ECtHR!
  • Anthony Cullen and StevenWheatley (2013): "The Human Rights of Individuals in De Facto Regimes under the European Convention on Human Rights"
Human Rights Law Review 13:4
p. 708: ECtHR did follow the position in international law that not all acts of a de facto government are to be regarded as being without legal validity.
p. 709: The Grand Chamber of ECtHR accepted that the judicial system in the TRNC could be considered to be established by law.
p. 710: The ECtHR has continued to recognise the utility of the government system established under the TRNC Constitution.
p. 710: ECtHR concluded that where an act of the TRNC authorities was in compliance with the laws in force in the territory of northern Cyprus, it should in principle be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention.
3.

<ref name="Quigley">{{cite book|author=Quigley|title=The Statehood of Palestine|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iTR3BQ0aJ6UC&pg=PA164|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-49124-2|page=164|quote=The international community found this declaration invalid, on the ground that Turkey had occupied territory belonging to Cyprus and that the putative state was therefore an infringement on Cypriot sovereignty.}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: "One may compare in this regard the UN reaction 5 years earlier to a declaration of statehood for a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. The international community found this declaration invalid, on the ground that Turkey had occupied territory belonging to Cyprus and that the putative state was therefore an infringement on Cypriot sovereignty."
  • "international community" refers to “United Nations Security Council” (of 1983-541) clearly. I already proposed that instead of “International Community”, something like “UN/UN SC” etc. must be used in the article!
  • There is no sentence of “Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus”, hence synthesis, original research.
4.

<ref name="Tocci2004">{{cite book|author=Nathalie Tocci|title=EU Accession Dynamics and Conflict Resolution: Catalysing Peace Or Consolidating Partition in Cyprus?|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=T6Z0Io3kQZ4C&pg=PA56|date=January 2004|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-0-7546-4310-4|page=56|quote=The occupied territory included 70 percent of the island's economic potential with over 50 percent of the industrial ... In addition, since partition Turkey encouraged mainland immigration to northern Cyprus. ... The international community, excluding Turkey, condemned the unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) as a.}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: The international community, excluding Turkey, condemned the unilateral declaration of independence (UDI) as a.
  • "international community" refers to “UN Security Council” in the source. (UN SC 1984-550 resolution: the Council condemned the illegal secessionist activities in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus)
  • Source is dated to 2004 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.
  • Also, the writer says "except Turkey"; however, UN SC’s 1983-541 (illegality of DOI of NC) was voted against by Pakistan as well, abstained by Jordan. Also, source is odd: about DOIs of countries, ICJ has a different attitude: "no prohibition of DOI in int’l law; recognition is something political, not legal"
5.

<ref name="WivelSteinmetz2013">{{cite book|author1=Dr Anders Wivel|author2=Robert Steinmetz|title=Small States in Europe: Challenges and Opportunities|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=iUeWqEjS6-IC&pg=PA165|date=28 March 2013|publisher=Ashgate Publishing, Ltd.|isbn=978-1-4094-9958-9|page=165|quote=To this day, it remains unrecognised by the international community, except by Turkey}}</ref>

6.

<ref name="Neville2013">{{cite book|author=Peter Neville|title=Historical Dictionary of British Foreign Policy|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=dVosJPY04xAC&pg=PA293|date=22 March 2013|publisher=Scarecrow Press|isbn=978-0-8108-7371-1|page=293|quote=...Ecevit ordered the army to occupy the Turkish area on 20 July 1974. It became the Republic of Northern Cyprus, but Britain, like the rest of the international community, except Turkey, refused to extend diplomatic recognition to the enclave. British efforts to secure Turkey's removal from its surrogate territory after 1974 failed.}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source:
  • “international community” refers to “Countries of UN” or simply “UN” implicitly.
  • Also, “immediate acts of Britain just after 1974” is mentioned. We are in 2014 and now UK recognizes passports of Northern Cyprus.
7.

<ref name="Hakki2007">{{cite book|author=Murat Metin Hakki|title=Cyprus Issue: A Documentary History, 1878-2006|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=JAMCAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA536|date=24 October 2007|publisher=I.B.Tauris|isbn=978-0-85771-980-5|page=536|quote=Since the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was not recognised by any member of the international community other ...}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source:
  • Source is dated to 2007 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.
  • Even the source’s title is "Cyprus Issue: A Documentary History, 1878-2006". From 2006 till 2014, many developments occurred (primarily, ICJ’s 2010 Kosovo decision). Hence, the source is old.

8.

<ref name="Kaczorowska2013">{{cite book|author=Alina Kaczorowska|title=European Union Law|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jzcxTtW23tMC&pg=PA43|year=2013|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-0-415-69597-8|page=43|quote=The Republic of Cyprus has always been recognised by the international community as one State exercising ... is recognised only by Turkey as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, being under military control of Turkey, did not, in fact, join ...}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source:
  • “international community” refers to “UN/UN SC” implicitly.

9.

9.<ref name="AgnewMuscarà2012">{{cite book|author1=John A. Agnew|author2=Luca Muscarà|title=Making Political Geography|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=AHMlWqCVCX8C&pg=PA47|year=2012|publisher=Rowman & Littlefield|isbn=978-1-4422-1230-5|page=47|quote=Although the “international community” does not recognize Northern Cyprus as a sovereign state, its mail does get ...}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: Beginning of the related discussion in the source: "Having one’s stamp officially recognized by the Universal Postal Union (UPU) or the venerable philatelist magazine Scott’s Catalogue is akin to recognition by the United Nations."
  • Hence, “international community” refers to “United Nations” in the source. I am the person that offers “UN/UN SC” must be used instead of “international community!”
10.

<ref name="Kohen2006">{{cite book|author=Marcelo G. Kohen|title=Secession: International Law Perspectives|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=FUh8W1-TnNcC&pg=PA203|date=21 March 2006|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-0-521-84928-9|page=203|quote=the organs of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which to date remains an entity not recognised by the international community, }}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: "May 2001, the Strashourg Court openly recognised the exercise of a de facto authority by the organs of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (which to date remains an entity not recognised by the international community, with the exception of Turkey),104 (104: The same opinion had been upheld by the European Commission on Human Rights in its report on the case, issued on 4 june 1999 (‘it cannot be denied that the TRNC regime de facto exists and that it exercises de facto authority in the northern part of Cyprus)."
  • The "international community" refers to "members of UN, or simply UN" implicitly in the source.
  • I am the person that offered many times "UN/UN SC" must be used instead of “international community!"
  • Source is dated to 2006 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like "int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences" and "recognition is something political, not legal"). Hence, the source is old.
11.

<ref name="Leckie2007">{{cite book|author=Scott Leckie|title=Housing and Property Restitution Rights of Refugees and Displaced Persons: Laws, Cases, and Materials|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=HyfqzaFBMLoC&pg=PA448|date=28 May 2007|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=978-1-139-46409-3|page=448|quote=The complaints raised in this application arise out of the Turkish military operations in northern Cyprus in July and August ... This development was condemned by the international community. ... of the establishment of the “TRNC” legally invalid and calling upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot State other than the ...}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: "This development was condemned by the International community. On 18 November 1983 the United Nations Security Council adopted Resolution 541 (1983) declaring the proclamation of the establishment of the "TRNC legally invalid and calling upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot State other than the Republic of Cyprus. A similar call was made by the Security Council on 11 May 1984 in its resolution 550 (1984).
  • “International community” implicitely and explicitely refers to “UN SC and UN” respectively in the source. Notice: 1984-550 UN SC resolution: the Council condemned the illegal secessionist activities in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus.
  • "International community" clearly and explicitely refers to "United Nations Security Council" in the source!
  • Source is dated to 2007 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.
12.

<ref name="Commerce2004">{{cite book|author=International Chamber of Commerce|title=Europe Review 2003/04: The Economic and Business Report|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=Hwi0s3I5jLEC&pg=PA81|date=1 March 2004|publisher=Kogan Page Publishers|isbn=978-0-7494-4067-1|page=81|quote=Without a deal ending the years of division being reached, the EU might still find it difficult to accept northern Cyprus as a new member, especially when it is unrecognised by the international community as a separate state }}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: Begining of the discussion: “Since Turkey's invasion in 1974. the internationally-recognised Republic of Cyprus has been reduced to the Greek Cypriot-dominated southern part of the island.”
  • “International community” implicitly refers to “United Nations” in the source!
  • Source is dated to 2004 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Hence, the source is old.

13.

<ref name="Mirbagheri2014">{{cite book|author=Farid Mirbagheri|title=Cyprus and International Peacemaking 1964-1986|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=_Ht9AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA101|date=1 May 2014|publisher=Routledge|isbn=978-1-136-67745-8|page=101|quote=Turkish Cypriots, received international condemnation, putting them at loggerheads with the international community and the United Nations and making peacemaking efforts even harder than before.}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: “Turkish Cypriots, received international condemnation, putting them at loggerheads with the international community and the United Nations...”
  • “International community” implicitely and explicitely refers to “UN SC and UN” respectively in the source. Notice: 1984-550 UN SC resolution: the Council condemned the illegal secessionist activities in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus.
  • The publication date in the link of the source you gave is 1998. Source is dated to 2004 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like “int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal”). Also, it is far out-dated. It is before 2004 “Cyprus Re-Unification Referendum” as well. Hence, the source is very very old.

14.

<ref name="Brown1993">{{cite book|author=Michael Edward Brown|title=Ethnic Conflict and International Security|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=cstjhpRd-F4C&pg=PA184|year=1993|publisher=Princeton University Press|isbn=0-691-00068-9|page=184|quote=The island remains divided, but the Northern Cypriot state has not been recognized by the international community,}}</ref>

  • Usage in the source: "The Turkish invasion, however, achieved this goal only in a partial sense: The island remains divided, but the Northern Cypriot state has not been recognized by the international community, a situation that leaves the authorities there, as well as the Turkish-Cypriots. with many impediments. Because other states (excluding Turkey) do not recognize the Northern Cypriot government, they will not negotiate airway agreements with it."
  • "International community" refers implicitly the “UN member countries, or simply UN"
  • Source is dated to 1993 before the milestone (2010 Kosovo, Int’l Court of Justice, statements like "int’l law contains no prohibition of declaration of independences” and “recognition is something political, not legal"). Also, it is far out-dated. It is before 2004 "Cyprus Re-Unification Referendum" as well. Hence, the source is very very old.
Alexyflemming (talk) 08:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Summary of Disproofs

A. "International community" refers to "United Nations (UN)":
In all of the 14 sources, the phrase "international community" clearly directly explicitly or implicitly refers to "United Nations Security Council (UN SC)" or "United Nations (UN)" in general. UN SC being a subset of UN, one can in general say "in all of the 14 sources, international community refers to United Nations"
C. Some of the 14 sources are really very old:
There happened two major milestones on (or related with) Cyprus issue: "2004 Cyprus Re-unifiation Referendum" and "2010 International Court of Justice Kosovo Decision".

  • The sources that are older than both of the developments: ((13)) 2014 (but covers the old developments as understood by its title "Cyprus and International Peacemaking 1964-1986"); ((14)) 1993; ((4)) 2004; ((12)) 2004
  • The sources that are older than "ICJ Kosovo 2010": ((10)) 2006; ((2)) 2007; ((7)) 2007; ((11)) 2007; ((3)) 2010
  • The sources after both of the milestones: ((9)) 2012; ((1)) 2013; ((5)) 2013; ((6)) 2013; ((8)) 2013
    Alexyflemming (talk) 11:13, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
  • - Even though I know that "international community" is not a single legal entity/personality/country that has the capability of recognizing/non-recognizing a country;
- ...even though I know that recognition/non-recognition does not affect the legality/illegality of a country (via ICJ Kosovo 2010);
- ...even though I know that there is no single definition of "international community" that is agreed and in consensus for all,
- ...that said, let me disprove the your way of stylyzing the facts is wrong "from your handling/perspective as well".
Allison Good (05.02.2014): "Is there trouble ahead in the eastern Mediterranean?"
In 1983, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus declared its independence, but is not recognised by...most of the international community as a legitimate state.
AF: Most of the IC, not all of the IC! Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and Economic Cooperation of Organization (ECO) that are clearly part of "international country" recognized "Northern Cyprus" (as Turkish Cypriot State) and in the past various meetings of ministers of OIC member countries were held in Northern Cyprus.
Mehmet Hasguler, "Cyprus at a Crossroads" (Middle East Quarterly, Fall 2009, pp. 63-71)
"...Organization of the Islamic Conference recognize the republic as an independent state..."
International Crisis Group (03.2014, Europe Report No 22914): "Divided Cyprus: Coming to Terms on an Imperfect Reality"
"...UN, U.S., UK and the wider international community..."
AF: "international community" is wider than (UN, US, UK, CoE), it also includes (OIC, ECO, ...)
Vassilis K. Fouskas, 16.07.2014: "Cyprus 40 years on. Do you really want a solution? Abandon 'realism'"
"...The official narrative of the so-called "international community" (NATO, the EU, the UN)..."
AF: Vassilis' description is also nice example of ""international community" is not a single legal entity/personality/country that has the capability of recognizing/non-recognizing a country"
1. Brian Zachary Mund (01.12.2013): "Breakaway States: Understanding When The International Community Recognizes The Legitimacy of Separatist States"
"...TRNC has firmly established itself as an independent actor in the international community..."
"...In 2003, the TRNC took the unilateral step of opening their border to Greek Cypriots. This act was seen by the international community as a major step towards rapprochement and normalization between the two countries. Seen as a major public relations victory for the TRNC, it resulted in new heights of international recognition...."
"...The evidence points to a large degree of sympathy rising from a sense of shared religious heritage among the Muslim world. Such ties help explain why Pakistan and Jordan, the two Muslim countries on the Security Council at the time, did not support the Security Council Resolution 541 calling the TRNC invalid..." AF: Pakistan, Jordan etc. are parts of "international community"!
"...the increased levels of recognition enjoyed by the TRNC..."
"...As a result of the Turkish Cypriots’ change in tactics to work within the international system, they are enjoying unprecedented levels of international recognition..."
"..The TRNC....,...recent years have shown indications of greater economic integration with the international community..."
"....the reason why TRNC have received greater international recognition once it has taken costly measures to work within the international system might serve as a means to signal the depth to which they are committed to complying with current international norms..."
(I'll add some extra material to my post here)
2. Anthony Cullen and StevenWheatley (2013): "The Human Rights of Individuals in De Facto Regimes under the European Convention on Human Rights", Human Rights Law Review, 13:4
p. 709: The Grand Chamber of ECtHR accepted that the judicial system in the TRNC could be considered to be established by law.
p. 710: The ECtHR has continued to recognise the utility of the government system established under the TRNC Constitution.
p. 710: ECtHR concluded that where an act of the TRNC authorities was in compliance with the laws in force in the territory of northern Cyprus, it should in principle be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention.
3. The situation for the institutions of Northern Cyprus: Washington Times Advocacy Department (30 Sept 2014): "Degrees from Northern Cypriot universities are recognized and accepted all over the world.".
To the notice of who may concern: Washington Times (30.09.2014, "Higher education in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"): There are 63,765 university students from 114 countries in nine universities in Northern Cyprus (12,505 Turkish Cypriots; 34,206 from Turkey; 17,054 international students) in nine universities in Northern Cyprus. Also, New York Times (16.02.2014):"Students Flock to Universities in Northern Cyprus".
That is to say, the number of international students in Northern Cyprus far exceeds that of many countries in Europe, including Rep. of Cyprus!
Alexyflemming (talk) 07:51, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Famagusta Port issue

There is a misleading, outdated and obsolete info in the article about Famagusta port. Here is updated info about the port:

1. Cyprus News Agency (27 January 2008): Rehn's written reply to Cypriot MEP Marios Matsakis: "according to the general principles of international law, entry and exit of ships from the closed ports of Cyprus is not prohibited"

2. Hellenic Resources Network(25 January 2008) "Turgay Avci is satisfied with Olli Rehns reply to Marios Matsakis"

3. The Gemini post (December 2007) Greek Cypriot daily Politis (the office of EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn): "...the use of Famagusta port was not illegal under international law..."

4. Cypriot - EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn (A reply to a question of European MP Marios Matsakis; on 18 January 2008) "..the use of ports in the north was not prohibited. Based on the general principles of international law, entry and exit of vessels from sea ports in the northern part of Cyprus is not prohibited.."

I will introduce the export figures of "Port of Famagusta" of Northern Cyprus to various countries soon.
Alexyflemming (talk) 14:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

United States Federal Court Decision on the Greek Cypriots claims on Northern Cyprus

On 13 October 2014, United States Federal Court ruled that "..Greek Cypriots cannot claim that the government in control of Northern Cyprus gave their homes to Turkish Cypriots....Although the United States does not recognize it as a state, the TRNC purportedly operates as a democratic republic with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...TRNC is not vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington".

Sources:

1. The news of the USA Federal Court decision (Courthouse News Service; 13.10.2014)
2. The Case's page of the Court
3. USA Federal Court Decision 09.10.2014
Alexyflemming (talk) 20:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Removing of the sourced critical info without showing no/false pretext is a WP policy violation

IP31.153.94.183 removed USA Federal Court decision related with Northern Cyprus with the edit summary: "This is about a case a US court did not, actually hear. It might be relevant to the article about displaced Cypriots, but not here; it's out of context and given undue weight". IP31! See above. USA Federal Court heared the case.
Alexyflemming (talk) 21:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Although it appears at a first glance to be worth as part of this article (my revert on the unlogged user was performed as part of the wp:brd circle procedure, which I admit was wrong since this wasn't the initial version) serious wp:undo weight issues can not stay unnoticed. Alexikoua (talk) 19:40, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Uni students synthesis

The 114 countries figure is an earlier year's and ought to be removed. [1] 31.153.72.171 (talk) 22:32, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Same here. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 23:09, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Wrong information in the article

There are many wrong info in the article. Here are the followings with proofs from various sources:
1. Government and Politics:
Article:
Due to Northern Cyprus' isolation and heavy reliance on Turkish support, Turkey has a high level of influence over the country's politics. This has led to some experts characterising it as an effective puppet state of Turkey.
Sources:
1 24.05.2012: "In the 1995 and 1996 Loizidou Judgments the ECtHR treated the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) as a sort of puppet government whose acts fall within the jurisdiction of (and are attributable to) Turkey as an (unlawful) occupier."
2 09.01.2013: "The situation with the South African homelands was similar and so was collective non-acceptance of the turkish puppet-government in northern Cyprus which has resulted in the turkish republic of northern Cyprus not being recognized as a state."
3 27.11.2005 "It may be argued that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which was declared in 1983 and which was only recognized as a state by Turkey and for a short period by Pakistan, is at the moment of writing the only existent puppet state in the world.}}</ref> Few political decisions in Northern Cyprus are taken without the approval of the Turkish National Security council in Ankara"
4 04.09.2004 "The TRNC is not only heavily dependent on Turkey for funding it is also administratively tied with the Turkish institutions so that in some respects it gives the impression of being a province of Turkey... Most profoundly however in ways that are always strongly felt in north Cyprus but are not always evident to outside eyes, it is Turkey that calls the shots."
Realities:
1. USA Federal Court (09.10.2014): "TRNC is a democratic republic." (Official summary of Court decision; website of Court decision; Decision of Court)
2. European Court of Human Rights accepted all laws of Northern Cyprus without any exception:
Not only the laws of "Immovable Property Commission of Northern Cyprus (and its related laws)" but also all laws of Northern Cyprus without any exception are recognized at European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR):
ECtHR Decision 02.07.2013, App. nos. 9130/09 and 9143/09; Pavlides v. Turkey; Georgakis v. Turkey
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/Pages/search.aspx#{"fulltext":["Pavlides"],"documentcollectionid2":["CASELAW"],"itemid":["001-122907"]}
ECtHR: "...notwithstanding the lack of international recognition of the regime in the northern area, a de facto recognition of its acts may be rendered necessary for practical purposes. Thus, the adoption by the authorities of the "TRNC" of civil, administrative or criminal law measures, and their application or enforcement within that territory, may be regarded as having a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the Convention".
Note: In the related above case, the application of Greek Cypriots was immediately found to be "inadmissable" by ECtHR and rejected by ECtHR! That is to say, the applicant Greek Cypriots were expelled just at the beginning of the process. Case was never handled by the ECtHR!
3. The number of university students in Northern Cyprus is more than 70,000 (a country with 300,000 population). There are students from 114 different countries. Northern Cyprus is the top 1 country in the ratio of univ.stud/population in the world. How can such a country be "heavily dependent" on Turkey?
4. The number of annual tourist visits to Northern Cyprus is more than 1 million (a country with 300,000 population). Northern Cyprus is among the foremost countries in the ratio of tourists/population in the world. How can such a country be "heavily dependent" on Turkey?
5. Northern Cyprus has its own Dollar Billionaires.
6. Brian Zachary Mund (01.12.2013): "Breakaway States: Understanding When The International Community Recognizes The Legitimacy of Separatist States" "...TRNC has firmly established itself as an INDEPENDENT ACTOR in the international community..."Alexyflemming (talk) 10:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

None of your 'realities' refute that statement. If you'd like to see it removed, you'd need to prove that either a) the sources are unreliable or somehow inappropriate, or b) that they've been misrepresented. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 11:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
I fully agree with IP editor 31.153.72.171. This just another attempt at WP:SYNTH and WP:OR from primary sources trying to refute the incontrovertible body of expert reliable sources. But this is something we have come to expect from this account. Nothing new here. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 11:42, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Agree, and in addition: Gross misrepresentation of sources (nothing new there either). The US Federal Court did not state that "TRNC is a democratic republic". It said "... purportedly operates as a “democratic republic” ..." (quotation marks around "democratic republic" are the court's, not mine). The statement is also taken completely out of context, since it was only used in connection with establishing a foundation for the court's decision to dismiss the case for lack of jurisdiction. --T*U (talk) 13:45, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
@TU-nor: Thank you T*U. I agree. The amazing thing is that this account still writes those falsehoods about the court decision, even though you have clearly explained it to him already on his talkpage on the 15th of October. I just can't believe it. It could be perhaps that he doesn't understand the English language well enough. Otherwise he is trolling. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 14:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
TRNC is not in quotation marks in that Court decision!Alexyflemming (talk) 09:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I said that “democratic republic” is in quotation marks (page 7 in the court Opinion). --T*U (talk) 10:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Separate article on "History of Northern Cyprus"?

The wiki page "History of Northern Cyprus" has since it was started in 2008 been a redirect to the "History" section of the article "Northern Cyprus". Yesterday, the article was suddenly expanded, but taking a closer look, I find that the "new" article is an exact copy of the "History" section. This is a content fork and nothing more, and that is not the way to go. A separate article on the history will only be necessary if the "History" section grows to big for the "Northern Cyprus" article, and as far as I can see, we are far from that yet. But it could, of course, be discussed.

If there is consensus for opening a separate history article, it will be because there is need for a more elaborate presentation of the history. The best way to make this elaboration, would be to develop the new article in draft space or user space. Dumping it into article space before it is ready for it, is to mislead the interested Wikipedia user. Do not forget that Wikipedia is made for the users, not for the editors.

I will revert the text dumping, and I suggest we start a discussion about the need for a separate article. If someone wants to start working on e separate article before there is consensus for it, please do so in draft or user space. Regards! --T*U (talk) 16:11, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

  • the "new" article is an exact copy of the "History" section.
It would be expanded in a little while unless redirection prevents it!
  • A separate article on the history will only be necessary if the "History" section grows to big for the "Northern Cyprus" article, and as far as I can see, we are far from that yet.
The "History" part of Northern Cyprus is already extensive. Also, someone deleted a bulk of material from "History" a little while a go. Before, there were Famagusta Castle drawings, etc.
  • Yes, there is really a need for a separate article on "History of Northern Cyprus". The article "Northern Cyprus" consists of only a small part of History of Northern Cyprus.
  • Look also the "History of..." Wiki articles of partially recognized states:
History of Abkhazia, History of Kosovo, History of Somaliland, History of Transnistria, History of the Republic of China, History of Western Sahara.
  • The "History" part of Northern Cyprus Wiki article will be extended in the newly-to-be-created Wiki article.
  • The demonym of "Northern Cyprus" is "Turkish Cypriot". See: Northern Cyprus. Hence, it is natural that "History of Northern Cyprus" will not only cover the history of "Northern Cyprus" but also that of "Turkish Cypriots" (that goes back to 1570). There were already nice presentations about that period (1570-1960) from some other Wiki users. Unfortunately, that part was deleted with the pretext of "copyright violation". Anyway, this showed that the material can extend enormously.
  • Waiting for "a draft" that will be performed by a single Wiki user is injustice. There is a giant material to be formed. All the other Wiki articles, "History of United States", "History of Russia", "History of France", etc. were formed by many Wiki users and got matured in time. One cannot be perfect enough to know all the relevant historical periods of a country/nation. Some Wiki users may be more capable to handle the related parts.Alexyflemming (talk) 20:09, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
The size of the "History" section is quite moderate, so if you want to expand it with relevant stuff (with reliable sources and no original research, of course), please go ahead. If you later get consensus for creating a separate history article, please go ahead with that, too, but in draft space until the article is ready to launch! And why on earth should a draft have to be "performed by a single user"? Read WP:Drafts (sorry about wrong link above). --T*U (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Do as you have been told. Improve the existing section. When it's large enough, just separate it as a new article and in its place add the MA template. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 20:59, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Citation overkill

While I truly appreciate the efforts for the article's verifiability and understand the addition of citations due to repeated removal of material/material perceived as contentious, I really believe that the introduction suffers from citation overkill to the point that it hinders the legibility of the article. This is especially true for the mobile version, where the citations occupy rows on their own depending on the size of the device. I do not believe that the verifiability of the information will be affected as long as some very concrete resources such as the CIA Factbook and a few books remain. For these reasons, I am removing some resources from the intro and placing them here to allow future reference in case of edit-warring or disruptive editing. --GGT (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

"recognized only by Turkey"

"Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community as part of the Republic of Cyprus."

"Due to its lack of recognition, Northern Cyprus is heavily dependent on Turkey for economic, political and military support."

  • Tom Lansford (8 April 2014). Political Handbook of the World 2014. CQ Press. p. 360. ISBN 978-1-4833-3328-1. The TRNC's strong economic dependence on Turkey rendered its economy vulnerable to turmoil in the Turkish economy...
  • Tozun Bahcheli; Barry Bartmann; Henry Srebrnik (9 September 2004). De Facto States: The Quest for Sovereignty. Routledge. p. 25. ISBN 978-1-135-77121-8. It is patently the case that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is necessarily hugely dependent on Turkey for its military security, its trade links to the outside world and many of its basic supplies.
  • Daria Isachenko (15 April 2012). The Making of Informal States: Statebuilding in Northern Cyprus and Transdniestria. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 107. ISBN 978-0-230-36059-4. Overall, in the period 1974–2004, Turkey provided 3.07 billion USD of financial assistance to Northern Cyprus (Sonan ...) Indeed the financial assistance of the Turkish government has brought many limits on the internal sovereignty of the TRNC, making it heavily dependent on Turkish aid. The most significant factor of dependency is perhaps that Turkish Cypriots adopted the Turkish lira as a currency. Moreover the leader of the Central Bank in the North is a Turkish citizen.
  • Cynthia Cockburn (4 September 2004). The Line: Women, Partition and the Gender Order in Cyprus. Zed Books. p. 96. ISBN 978-1-84277-421-2. The TRNC is not only heavily dependent on Turkey for funding it is also administratively tied with the Turkish institutions so that in some respects it gives the impression of being a province of Turkey... Most profoundly however in ways that are always strongly felt in north Cyprus but are not always evident to outside eyes, it is Turkey that calls the shots.
  • Thomas M. Leonard (18 October 2013). Encyclopedia of the Developing World. Routledge. p. 429. ISBN 978-1-135-20508-9. The TRNC is heavily dependent on Turkey, receiving $100–$200 million dollars of aid annually, in addition to military protection. ...

Just to note that even though the citations above may seem like a lot, their removal does not damage the verifiability of the article as the information is still backed up by very reliable sources. Using these citations for the purpose of undisputed verification within the article is of course a good idea, but I believe that such disputes in Wikipedia should not be resolved at the expense of legibility/ease of reading by creating such long lists of references in the introduction. It must be noted that this has not been the case in highly disputed articles such as Palestine or State of Palestine. I apologize for the loss of effort of the users that may be perceived due to this mass removal. --GGT (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your effort and your competent as well as fair analysis of the situation. I have no problem with your approach and I actually agree fully with you. Also, there is no problem with loss of effort, as you so nicely put it. All in a day's work on Wikipedia. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for your work here, GGT. Alakzi (talk) 02:15, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Confusion over direct flights to Ercan

@GGT: 'direct flight', in aviation parlance, means a flight, which may have one or more legs, for which the same flight number is used. These charter flights are direct, as are many scheduled flights out of/to Ercan, but they are not non-stop, as the casual reader may be led to think. Alakzi (talk) 01:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Sincere thanks for the clarification, content has been rewritten to avoid confusion. --GGT (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit-warring for removal of the word "only"

The term "only" used in the phrase "recognised only by Turkey" is standard terminology in reliable sources and therefore it is not POV as claimed in the edit-summaries of the edit-warring editor. This term is supported by eight reliable sources, including encyclopedias, and I can supply many more. Removing it is POV and original research. Edit-warring makes the POV and OR even worse and is in violation of the core policies of WP:RS and WP:V. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 05:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I see that there was a reversion by a single-edit IP, clearly a sock, which removed all of the reliable sources which I just added. If this continues I will initiate an SPI. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:23, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

'Recognised only by Turkey' is natural English; the attempts to change it are a violation of neutrality. Rothorpe (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I agree with your comment about naturalness of language, thank you Rothorpe. This is also a well-used description by specialist publications and encyclopedias and there is nothing wrong with it. Attempts to replace it by other expressions are POV and actually obscure or hide information. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:22, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

An IP address (probably Turkish) has once again removed only, I've added it, it removed it again and I've re-added it. Something must be done. Neo ^ (talk) 10:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The IPs are German and the sockmaster is Knisfo. I thought he had stopped but I was obviously too optimistic. I started Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Knisfo. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 10:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I would argue that although the "only" is fine in the text, it is not needed in the infobox. Putting anything other than Turkey seems excess detail and could be seen to be taking sides in a slightly "yah -boo" manner. Britmax (talk) 14:33, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't see that. It is a well-used expression by the majority of the available literature and indicates that Turkey is the only state in the world that recognises it. If we omit the word "only", even in the infobox, in effect we hide the non-recognition by the rest of the world. That's not neutral. In fact it could indicate to the casual reader who skims and reads mainly the infobox that, since it got recognised by Turkey, that would be sufficient recognition and therefore it is a recognised state. As in any politically controversial topic both sides of the argument should be presented, especially in something as lopsided as the non-recognition of this state. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 03:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Recent changes

@KazekageTR: There's so much stuff squeezed into the one edit, that it's nigh-impossible to make sense of. Can you enumerate your changes? [2] Alakzi (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I have made re-arrangements, removed some images to avoid the article to become an image farm, also removed empty sections and copy-edited the cuisine section. You coulda see it if you looked it mate :D kazekagetr 19:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks, kazekage. Alakzi (talk) 20:06, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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