Talk:List of bisexual characters in television

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Non-binary bisexuals[edit]

Out of interest, who decided that this article should be split into male and female sections? I was looking to add Ripley Lennox, a non-binary bisexual, to this list – but I am unable to. – DarkGlow • 23:43, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If a character is "non-binary" ... it is queer. It's listed here: List of fictional non-binary characters. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo fele. 17:17, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just checked on that page, and Ripley Lennox is listed there, with an entry for Ripley and another one in which Ripley is mentioned. Historyday01 (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this, I would want another category for non binary bisexual people. If I am coming to this page I am interested in their sexuality, and gender is secondary. So having just a list of non binary characters on a separate page isn’t that helpful. PitterPatter533 (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For this list, the term bisexual is the third branch of the Kinsey scale. Which is someone who is romantically attracted to, or sexual with, both males and females. There's nothing stopping you from creating a "List of non-binary bisexuals". Just make double-sure that every reliable source you use includes "non-binary bisexual" in its description of a character. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 08:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Non-binary is a gender identity, and therefore distinct from a sexuality. If entries in this list are categorized by gender, then non-binary should be added as a category. There is no "List of male bisexual characters" or "List of female bisexual characters," so there shouldn't be a corresponding list for non-binary characters. Csmith8 (talk) 03:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you have the necessary source and information, you should look into adding a non-binary category on this list for non-binary characters. I will work on this edit otherwise, after I can do some research (unless you have info you want to send me). I agree it is odd to divide the list by gender, but it appears to be a stable format and overhauling it would be a major process. Csmith8 (talk) 03:45, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. I would support gutting the gender categories subdivisions on the page (which are currently present) entirely, and just having one list, with a column for the gender of characters. If this was done, the page could be structured similar to the List of lesbian characters in television or List of transgender characters in television pages. I'm not sure organizing it like the List of gay characters in television would be helpful. Previous discussions on this talk page say nothing about the gender division into "male" and "female" categories page sub-divisions.
The original discussion (which I FINALLY found today after some sleuthing), which resulted in this page's creation and similar ones like it, went on back-and-forth from November 2020 to February 2021, which led to this gender division has some saying it was a "good idea" and a way to find bisexual characters "easier." I think I agreed with those views at the time, and implemented the page divided it by gender originally in February 2021. What followed was a tense exchange when I boldly changed that page name. Personally, I don't think I'd have such a tense exchange nowadays.
In terms of the gender division of the page, in the list of characters, no one has challenged it since 2021. But, your comments are making me rethink what I thought at the time, and I'll pose this again. Once that is resolved, THEN non-binary bisexual characters can be added. I would FULLY support adding them provided that this gender-division be removed/changed, if that makes sense.
Also, @DarkGlow and @PitterPatter533, your comments would be greatly appreciated, as I'd like to re-open this discussion again about whether the page list should be split into male and female sections. I do NOT think that got enough attention when it was done back in 2021.Historyday01 (talk) 04:52, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can't really make sense of what I wrote before haha, but I do think there is some use of keeping the gender categories and adding non-binary. I personally find it useful when I want to watch a series to decide if I want to watch something specific relating to female bisexuality or male bisexuality, and consequently, I would appreciate the option of being able to browse series with non-binary characters. PitterPatter533 (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair. I think it would be fine to include non-binary characters on this list. When I said "I would support gutting the gender categories entirely, and just having one list" my idea was that there would be a column for the gender of a character, rather than having a sub-division (as it is currently on the page). But, I'd also be fine with having a sub-division for non-binary characters, who are also bisexual.
It is altogether possible that there are some characters (who are nonbinary and bisexual) who are on the List of fictional non-binary characters page already, and if so, they could be added here. Otherwise, it may be better to find such characters and write the entries for them first before adding them to the page, if that makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 14:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds perfectly reasonable. I like the idea of having them in one table, rather than 2 or more sections. PitterPatter533 (talk) 22:12, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's my thought as well. Historyday01 (talk) 22:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This list is (obviously) a sexuality list of females and males identified as bisexual in TV series with sources verifying the character identification as bisexual.
Non-binary is its own identity. There is a List of fictional non-binary characters. Perhaps that nb list should be broken down by additional identifications for the non-binary characters.
Also, I do not agree with the idea of "gutting the gender categories entirely". Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 07:34, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, when I said "gutting the gender categories entirely" I mean that there would be ONE list (on this page, of bisexual television characters), with a table column for gender, rather than a sub-division into "male" and "female". I revised a bit of my above comment to make it clearer, using Wikipedia:Strikethrough, as I don't think I was as clear as I should have been. But, in terms of the nb list, the "Identity" column does provide some ability to break-down characters by their identities, but perhaps more could be done.Historyday01 (talk) 14:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pansexual characters[edit]

Would a list of pansexual characters have its own page or would it be something that could be combined into this page?

Would it have to be renamed? List of bi/pan characters…? PitterPatter533 (talk) 21:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a page with pansexual characters: List of fictional pansexual characters Historyday01 (talk) 23:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pansexuals are attracted to and/or fuck someone regardless of sex or gender identity. It has nothing to do with bisexuals. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 08:14, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Character That Shouldn’t Be On This List[edit]

I noticed George Oscar “Gob” Bluth is on this list when his sexuality has been stated as gay a couple times by the creator, Mitch Hurwitz. Among those examples, there is a Deadline article in which Mitch Hurwitz says, “For us, the more interesting thing was giving Gob the gay storyline, because it’s usually the macho, overcompensating guy who turns out to be gay.” Another instance of this is in an entertainment weekly article: “Hint from Hurwitz: ‘He is on a bit of power trip, and he's in charge of the company... He's not the ladies' man he thought he was — and he might be in love with Tony Wonder.’” While not explicitly stated in this second quote, “he’s not the ladies’ man he thought he was” heavily implies it. And combined with the previous statement that says he is gay, it makes it pretty clear what he meant(he also on top of that uses the phrasing “gay panic”).

Here are the links to those articles: https://deadline.com/2018/06/arrested-development-mitchell-hurwitz-jeffrey-tambor-netflix-interview-1202403117/ https://ew.com/tv/arrested-development-season-5-teases-season-4-recap/ AdamFriedman42 (talk) 13:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Excuse me for deleting this and resending it, was on accident) AdamFriedman42 (talk) 17:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’m dumb, I figured out how to edit so…I guess just ignore this then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamFriedman42 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't revert your removal, but I don't agree with it. When Hurwitz says "gay storyline", I believe he's saying "gay" as one component of being "bisexual". Prior to the Tony Wonder story arc (and after?), there's plenty of portrayal as him being sexually interested in women, too. My two cents. signed, Willondon (talk) 18:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see two problems: (1) you deleted a character that was supported with a reliable source (|title=GOB Bluth |url=https://bi.org/en/bi-characters/gob-bluth |website=Bi.org), and (2) your interpretation is based on vague wordage because neither one of your two selected sources specifically and unequivocally say that George Oscar “Gob” Bluth is gay. Pyxis Solitary (yak yak). Ol' homo. 10:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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