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While I was searching information for this article, I found some manga with 20 million or more copies sold, and some divergent information about the sales of some series. However, I didn't put them here because the source where I found the information can't be considered reliable (depending on the series, one of those: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], 6). So I would like to share it with you in the case someone wants to do a deeper research or know a reliable source that have the same information. The possible entries (or changes that may be done) are:

--- Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Some of those look pretty reliable. You should update the list. If they are unreliable, leave the source blank. I don't think anyone here, so far, is going to go agro and say "Reliable source or else". DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 23:34, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Uh no, they have to be reliably sourced. Some of the sources already used on this article should be checked too. The source needs to be reliable or there is nothing stopping fanboys from making a post on their blog saying "Naruto is the greatest series of all time therefore its the best-selling manga ever!" and using that as their source to add it here. Needless to say the same would happen if we leave the source blank. This is not being "agro"; Verifiability is one of Wikipedia's core content policies. Xfansd (talk) 04:20, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Only have to if someone wants to enforce it, which was what I meant by agro. Sometimes, there are true information from fansites; This is fine for this list because the sales number will be updated and will possibly be covered by a reliable source in the future. You also don't need to explain verifiability to me, I've done GAs and FLs. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 05:15, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

A smart user was able to prove that Reborn! data is right. I've already said that other data are probably right but we might to find sources to prove it. The IP taught us a good way. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 06:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

  • I don't understand why is said Dragon Ball has sold more than 230 million copies worldwide, and One Piece yet more than 345 million copies. At first, Dragon Ball' sales published by Shueisha are about 156 million copies as of early 2012.[6] One Piece's numbers are also different from the ones that appears on the Wikipedia article: 273 million. Therefore the only consistent fact that corresponds with this official information is the one that attributes the sales of One Piece above the Dragon Ball's. Furthermore, the "230 million" copies sold by Dragon Ball is a date given by Anime News Network but without any reliable source or even a link to a japanese source: the number is published on article about the movie of 2013, and only says "The site also notes that Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga has sold over 230 million copies worldwide." It is only said this info was given by Toei Animation, not by Shueisha. And I seriously doubt about how Toei came to this number that doubles the one presented by Shueisha, so I could imagine it was for a marketing campaign or something else. But I'd definitely rely on the information revealed by the print company, not the one said by the anime company (the only exception would be info given by Toriyama instead). About One Piece, in 2013 it sold 18 million copies[7] and considering its first print release in 1997, it's more likely that has sold 273 million of copies throught 15 years with that average number (18 million per year). The number of 273 million also appears on the chart revealed by Shueisha. --Gildartzz (talk) 16:30, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Why not add dragon ball super chapters is ongoing manga is dragon ball franchise Nor365 (talk) 04:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

The prince of tennis is ongoing write de same mangaka Nor365 (talk) 06:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Recently I've found a lot of manga with more than 20 million copies, I added the ones with a good source, but I don't have a reliable source for three of them, if you find one, I would appreaciate it. The manga are: The Story of the Russo-Japanese War (20 million) and Serious! (37 million) and Shonan Bakusozoku (20 million) Cracker-Kun (talk) 12:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Would it be possible to include entries for numbers sold in Japan vs overseas sales? It would be interesting to see what's appreciated by different countries. 2601:346:C201:60C0:150B:639C:C734:3F6C (talk) 19:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

The Silent Service and maestor keaton.

According to the Japanese wiki,the manga silent service has sold 25 millions of copies:https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B2%88%E9%BB%99%E3%81%AE%E8%89%A6%E9%9A%8A

also this list mention master keaton with 20 millions of copies sold:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lNqcny19R88mhxOZ-c3Ze22wbpeGdQZYoPNVYZV2YiM/edit#gid=0

Should they be added?

Second highest sales

@Xfansd: Why by highest estimate? In highest selling consoles, for example, we go by lowest. Smeagol 17 (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

I based this article on List of best-selling books, and that's how they list there. Manga tankōbon are a type of book. I assume you are referring to List of best-selling game consoles? I don't see anywhere in that article that says they use lowest sales estimates, and I don't see any reason why anyone would suggest to do that anyway. Xfansd (talk) 17:11, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Oh you mean how game boy advance (81.51 million) is listed above PSP (80–82 million). That article doesn't give any explanation on that tho. I don't see any rationale, so it should be changed. Xfansd (talk) 17:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Also see Vita. Smeagol 17 (talk) 23:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon Adventures Manga?

Surprised not to see the Pokemon Adventures Manga no where on the list. Considering the Pokemon franchise is the highest grossing media franchise and it's sales via manga is $1.46 billion, you'd think it would appear promptly on this list. Though that includes all manga sales, the Pokemon adventures manga is it's most notable series and longest running, still ongoing at 53 volumes since 1997. 98.113.165.58 (talk) 21:08, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Prequel/Sequel

  • Fist of the Blue sky is a prequel to the fist of the north star
  • Fairy tail zero (direct prequel) and fairy tail 100 years quest (direct sequel)

Main characters are the same, universe is the same... Just differently named. Shouldn't we combine them? Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 06:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Setenzatsu.2 I don't think we should, for the same reason why we don't combine Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball, and Boruto and Naruto. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 17:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
yeah, but we have Tokyo ghoul combined. what is the criteria?Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 17:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Tokyo Ghoul basically changed name, but the series was basically still the same. It never stopped publishing. That's why it was kept combined, I think. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 19:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

475 million figure

@KindStrangerr: One Piece reached 390 million copies in circulation in Japan in December 2019 (see here and here), before the release of volumes 95 and 96. In April of 2020, it was announced that the series reached 80 million copies in print overseas (see here), without updating the 390 million figure. At the end of May 2020, Oricon announced that One Piece sold 4,885,538 copies in the first half of 2020 (see here and here), bringing the total to 474,885,538, rounded to 475 million copies.

I posted this here to avoid more reverted edits. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 17:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mazewaxie: As I have already tried explaining to you to no avail, it doesn't matter whether or not the volume has released as the circulation number was revealed on volume 95's Obi, thus already included its first print number (and as this volume has not been reprinted yet, that's the entirety of its possible circulation) - as circulation does not refer to copies sold to customers. For the same logic the 470 mln number on volume 96's Obi includes volume 96's first print, as you can see in the many sources that have already been linked to you! Please, stop making weird calculations on your own and wait for the next official number, which will be unveiled between the end of august and the beginning of september on volume 97's Obi - and which will, again, include volume 97's first print! As for the oricon point, that's also untrue; all the numbers you see on the page come from the publisher (as you can see from the sources...), and if you went and changed based on oricon, you'd need to change MHA's, Haikyuu's, KnY's and many more as well, but you would get just as nonsensical a number as the one you're getting for OP.
@KindStrangerr: I'm sorry, but it looks like you are trolling me. In December 2019, One Piece reached 390 million copies in print in Japan, when volumes 95 and 96 weren't available. Then, in April 2020, One Piece reached 80 million copies in print overseas, reaching a total of 470 million copies in circulatuon worldwide. This is without counting the circulation of volumes 95 and 96, because they came out after the announcement of December 2019. So it's perfectly fine to count sales numbers for those volumes, because they weren't included in the 390 million circulatuon figure of December. The fact that volume 96 features a celebration for reaching 470 million copies in print doesn't mean that the circulation copies of that volume are included, since, has I stated a ton of times, the 470 million figure is made of 390+80 million, and those 390 million have been announced in December 2019, while volume 96 came out in April 2020, so it's impossible that its circulation figures are included, when the chapters featured on volume 96 weren't even published on Weekly Shonen Jump at the time. Anyway, you should have started a discussion, instead of reverting multiple edits of mine and one edit of Yujoong, because One Piece figures have been updated for years with circulation numbers + Oricon sales figures (for the volumes that weren't included in the circulation numbers, obviously). I hope this clarifies everything, once and for all. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 15:30, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mazewaxie: You do not seem to understand how circulation numbers work. I'm going to try to explain it to you once again and hopefully this time you'll get it.

Let's start from the december number. This is from the end of december, right before the release of volume 95; why is that? Because the number was revealed on the Obi of volume 95, the image that I showed you. This happened after all the copies for volume 95 were already printed, sent to the stores and added to the circulation; therefore any and all sales derived from this volume are already included in this number. Don't believe me? See: 

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2019-11-07/one-piece-manga-has-460-million-copies-in-print-worldwide/.153030

In particular, "Eiichiro Oda's One Piece manga will have more than 460 million copies in print worldwide when the 95th volume ships on December 28". Notice how it specifies it will include volume 95? That's because circulation includes the upcoming volume as shueisha obviously knows how much they have printed for it, and circulation does not refer to copies SOLD but to copies PRINTED(with the addition of digital sales in some cases), which are obviously going to include sold copies because you can't sell copies that weren't printed beforehand.

As for how the 390 million number didn't change, it could very well just be a matter of rounding (as in 388 mln at the time of volume 95, 391mln at the time of volume 96), it's unimportant as shueisha specifies their numbers include these volumes AS I HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT MULTIPLE TIMES. You can't look at everyone reporting "this figure includes volume 96" from shueisha themselves and just reply with "it doesn't because I say so".

If you have added oricon numbers to circulation numbers for one piece for years then I'm sorry but you have made a mistake for years as that doesn't make a mistake and is a nonsensical thing to do as, again, circulation includes first print of the upcoming volume, therefore sales numbers are already included in this circulation number as they cannot possibly be any higher than the amount of copies that got printed.

Lastly, even if it did make sense (and it doesn't), you didn't even count the volumes properly, as the combined sales of volumes 95 and 96 are only around 3.5mln and the rest is backlog sales, as you can very clearly see from oricon's half year by volume sales. So even that part is completely incorrect.

Again, please stop doing this and wait for shueisha to update their number around the end of august/beginning of september, as what you are doing does not make any sense.

Also, the yujoong undo or the ones from the other user aren't even mine lol. (KindStrangerr)

"because One Piece figures have been updated for years with circulation numbers + Oricon sales figures (for the volumes that weren't included in the circulation numbers, obviously)." How's doing something wrong for a whole year a justification to keep doing it completely wrong with actual 0 logic behind these dumb calculations, mixing copies that are already accounted for and misinformating people. It's just incredibly irrational. Rafgl12 (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


@KindStrangerr: You are right about the fact that "the combined sales of volumes 95 and 96 are only around 3.5mln and the rest is backlog sales, as you can very clearly see from oricon's half year by volume sales."
@Rafgl12: I never said that "doing something wrong for a whole year a justification to keep doing it". I just said that before reverting multiple times, a discussion should have been opened by either you or KindStrangerr to seek a new consensus about using Oricon sales. I think I was clear about that.
However, about the fact that "the yujoong undo or the ones from the other user aren't even mine lol", I'm not sure that you are indeed different persons, and I requested a sockpuppetry investigation. It's suspicious that the accounts "KindStrangerr", "Rafgl12", and the IP "197.34.68.184" were created just to revert my edits. A clerk will investigate and will determine if you are a sockpuppeteer or not. If you are indeed multiple persons, I will apologize for suspecting about you. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 16:36, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mazewaxie: I'm right about the whole thing and I'm pretty perplexed that you don't understand what I'm saying. It's really not that hard, especially if you've looked at sales for a long time you'd know I'm correct here.

As for the investigation, fine, I know I don't have anything to fear since I have only used my account so the investigation will only prove me right.

I find it shocking how you are completely dismissing every single source, piece of information and data we're trying to provide you to understand that that process of adding sales to circulation numbers is completely wrong, gives incorrect and not reliable data, and hence misinforms people about actual data of the series.

As you have been explained already around 10 times, sales numbers are a sub-entity of circulation numbers. This means that circulation numbers are the total amount of copies printed physically and sold digitally, and are numbers that Shueisha, the publisher of the series, updates periodically when new volumes come out. Every single print number includes copies from the volumes in which they're announced, because print numbers are decided clearly before volumes are printed. For series such as big as One Piece is, it's pretty usual for these numbers to be rounded-down until new goals are met, so it's clearly impossible for us to actually determine the amount of copies in circulation the series has all the time. Even if this is true, and it means 470 million copies may be a rounded-down number, that alone doesn't justify at all adding copies sold when those same copies are already included in the previous number. What you're doing here is a random math calculation to increase the number, when it's actually nowhere close to reality. You're, literally, making up numbers out of a non-sensical hypothesis, and not even considering which of those copies sold belong to which volume, making the number even more messed up. That's called misinformation, and there's tons of people who're actually believing this as a source, when it's just a randomly made-up number with no actual official source that supports it at all. Instead of waiting for actual sources to confirm these numbers and data, you're just doing whatever you feel like doing with only 1 of the series in this whole list, instead of having the same treatment with the rest. But of course, that would mean making up numbers for every single series in the list, and not matching a single official source. Sounds fun.

I made this account because it was overly annoying seeing how someone was overusing his power to update and post numbers as if they were official or confirmed in a public source, and not even trying to understand for a single second what another person was trying to explain when differentiating between circulation numbers and sales. You haven't even answered to any single point any of us has made, and keep insisting in keeping up a misinformed number just for the sake of it. Good luck with the investigation. Rafgl12 (talk) 16:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I understand your point. It's you, @Rafgl12:, that don't understand what I am saying. 390 million copies in print in December can't include volume 96, so we can count sales for volume 96. That's what I am trying to say, but you ignore what I wrote. Also, you literally haven't posted a single source that supports your claim, while I posted sources that support my claims multiple times. I will leave it at 470 million, since I don't want to create an edit war. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 17:04, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@Mazewaxie: Do you want sources? Do I seriously need to repeat every source you have been given already and you have kept ignoring based on an hypothesis of official numbers not being real? Sure, then.
-Shueisha's Official Volume Listing - ONE PIECE Volume 95 with Obi, stating 460 million copies: https://www.s-manga.net/items/contents.html?isbn=978-4-08-882169-6
-Shueisha's Official Volume Listing - ONE PIECE Volume 96 with Obi, stating 470 million copies: https://www.s-manga.net/items/contents.html?isbn=978-4-08-882252-5
-Natalie Article stating how ONE PIECE goes from 460 million copies with 95 volumes to 470 with 96 volumes: https://natalie.mu/comic/news/373930
-Yahoo! Japan: https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/992f61e04c6b0271a889baafc264d58bd762b214
-Oricon News, same source used for Japanese Wikipedia's One Piece page: https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2158999/full/
What else is there to give you so you understand that these are officially reported numbers and should be treated and respected as so, instead of doing random mathematical calculations just for the sake of getting a single number higher when it makes no sense? We have explained you countless times how circulation copies and copies sold are 2 completely different terms and should never be used and added together to determine how many copies does a series have. It's seriously beyond comprehension how stubborn you're being when you're literally misinforming with made-up numbers. And you keep not comprehending how the japanese number is, the same way with the worldwide one, rounded up and down so they can give exact numbers and not random and more 'ugly' data. When you get this single point, this single line, you'll start to understand that these numbers are showcased like this because they're never fully exact, and you're only contributing to its confusion. Please, again, stop.
@KindStrangerr: @Rafgl12: Ok. Since you two are in the majority, I will leave it at 470 million, and I will apply the changes to other pages in which I added the 475 million figure. I apologize for causing this discussion. I wish you both a nice day. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 10:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Mazewaxie: I'm glad we have finally come to an understanding. I hope you comprehend we're not trying to do this to bother or annoy anyone, but to keep reliable sources and information over hypothesis and calculations that may confuse people when contrasting what information is given in the page. Wish you too a good day.
@Mazewaxie: Thank you. Have a nice day, and sorry if I came on too aggressive. (KindStrangerr)

Using Mangazenkan as a single source for circulation figures

Hi. I found out that Mangazenkan has a page in which it lists the circulation figures of every manga with at least 10 million copies in print. I was thinking that we could use that website as a single source for the entire page, so that every single figure has the same reliability, similarly as how Box Office Mojo is the central source for the page List of highest-grossing films. I hope I was clear with my explanation. I'm going to tag some users active in this page so that you can express your opinion. @KindStrangerr: @Rafgl12: @Xfansd: @KeinezG: @Maestro2016: @Xexerss: @Exukvera: @Izaya DLL: @Panda619: --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 17:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mazewaxie: The numbers look correct for the most part, albeit some aren't updated (I can see Kingdom and My Hero Academia's numbers aren't updated for example, while they are on our page, and I can confirm the 66mln and 26mln numbers we have here are correct; similarly it's lacking some updates on older series like Shaman King, which should be 35mln, as we have here). So while the source itself isn't bad, it doesn't seem to be updated as fast as our own page, atleast for certain series (the My hero Academia 26mln number is from december 2019, too, it's not like it has just recently been revealed like the Kingdom one). So I think sticking to properly sourced articles for circulation numbers revealed by publishers would still prove to be the most effective method. KindStrangerr
It seems that various series' figures from Magazenkan do not match with some figures that appear in the list, like in the case of Fairy Tail, Rave Master, Shaman King, Hunter × Hunter or Inuyasha. I think that not all its numbers are correctly updated, so I'd say that we should use Mangazenkan as a source for those series which figures are not mentioned in news or listed by official publishers. - Xexerss (talk) 18:24, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
It's not such a good idea to rely on a single source for an entire article or list, as noted at WP:SINGLESOURCE and Template:One source. It's better to have multiple reliable sources. The only instance where a single source may be necessary would be for rankings, hence why Box Office Mojo is the central source for several box office lists, so that they can be ranked. Since this article is an unranked list, it's not necessary to rely on a single source for the rankings, since there are no rankings. In other words, I think it's better to use multiple reliable sources for this article. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Mazewaxie: I would recommend to use it for cases that are not listed here on the page, but for many manga, Magazenkan has outdated numbers. So I am against using it as the only source for this. Izaya DLL (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2020

To change dragon ball and update it JawTitan (talk) 18:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 20:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

KnY number & how circulation works explanation

@Panda619: We're not predicting the future. 100 million copies is a number officially announced, with promotions and even campaigns from Shueisha themselves being held right now. We're talking about printed copies, not sold, hence we're not predicting any future because in order for those copies to be sold they NEED to be INHERENTLY printed. Kimetsu no Yaiba series has those 100 million copies printed, and don't need to wait for any exact date for those copies to exist. Also, may I point out the fact that I find it amusing how every series edits the exact same way, with the number being released days before the volume is officially on sale exactly because it's a circulation number, not a sales number, yet the only series that gets reverted is KnY - just yesterday I have updated neverland's number using the exact same source yet it didn't get reverted, and I did the same thing for Kingdom, MHA, and several others, as did other contributors.

This number is official. It comes from Shueisha themselves, and Shueisha doesn't say "it will have X copies on Y day", it just says it has those copies on circulation - that's just something ANN added because I'm assuming they're under the same misconception as you are. You can just scroll through the natalie article that has been used as source and notice yourself that it says "Kimetsu no yaiba has 100 million copies in circulation", not "will have". Since that "will" part is what irks you from my understanding, I will just use the original natalie comics article, which has no mention of a "future" number, and remove the ANN source.

I am not talking about sold, I am also talking about circulation and Volume 22 is still not yet out to be in circulation, sources state 100 million in circulation once Volume 22 releases, ANN says "will top 100 million copies in circulation" which is based on Natalie Japanese article, If you have updated other series with same kinda sources, you need to revert and wait for the release. Panda619 (talk) 14:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
@Panda619: Did you even read what I said lol, "will" was literally added by ANN, the original Natalie Comics article does not state that, the headline is "「鬼滅の刃」22巻で累計1億部を突破！入場者特典収録の読切をジャンプにも掲載" which is just saying that number has been surpassed, they do not refer to any kind of "future" achievement because circulation means copies printed are included, there is no reason to wait for the copies to be on sale because those copies have been printed and thus entered circulation, arguing about this when shueisha itself is using the 100 million number in their promo just seems silly, it's on their official sites and has already been reported as achievement by news outlets, not in 2 days, now.
Also that's not what I meant when I pointed out the TPN discrepancy lol, but atleast there's consistency I guess. All in all to me it doesn't really change anything so if you really want to fight about this it's not worth my time and I'll just do the edits on release date, it just seems crazy that you want to wait for the volume itself to be out when whether it is out or not has absolutely no bearing on circulation and the publisher itself is using the number, by this logic I would have to argue that all numbers on this wiki are incorrect because circulation numbers are including copies in the warehouse that have "not yet entered circulation".
I wonder when will this page become something actually objective. Circulation numbers are given by the editorial itself whenever X series has printed X amount of copies over all of its volumes, that meaning, those copies do exist. They're not in the future, they're not gonna be printed anytime soon, but they already are even distributed in stores. Then, those copies go on sale. But the fact that those copies are not available for public consumption doesn't destroy the fact they EXIST. I just can't comprehend how is it that hard to get. We're not time travelling, we're not talking about future events yet to happen, they already have happened. We even have evidence of how many days does it take to print volume copies, so those 100 million were achieved even before we knew about the number. This page has been always updated the very same moment those copies have been revealed by editorials themselves, the same way with the The Promised Neverland number. This just so happens to be pure denial be it due to subjective ideas or preferences over series, that now people can't update what are officially confirmed, announced and advertised numbers by official companies, news sites and franchises. But now, thanks to a masterful mistranslation you guys are using as some kind of proof, everything is wrong. Okay, sure, let's go by the reasoning of copies in circulation not being able to be updated until they are on sale. Now travel to Japan, and ask warehouses and libraries about the exact copies every series has, because everything in this page then is inherently wrong. Hopefully someday this page will be out of biased people. -RafGL.

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2020

Slam dunk total sales are not accurate the series sold more than 160 millions... here is link from January 2017 https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2017/01/28/books/book-reviews/slam-dunk-japans-greatest-sports-manga/ (this article is actually listed as a source for slam dunk sales in the french version of the Wikipedia article)

as the article stated slam dunk sold 157 millions up to that point (January 2017) in 2018 slam dunk released new edition witch sold more than 5,200,000 copies

so thats at least 162,300,000 copies sold Mohssine ait (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: The source I do not believe explictly says that there were 162m copies sold. Make sure to put your request in "change X to Y" format. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:01, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Hiatus consistency

If Vagabond and HxH have the "on hiatus" tag and are given end dates, then the same needs to be done for Glass Mask and Bastard!! (whose current hiatuses are even longer). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5CE:200:CF30:1C26:AF63:5D57:F1AE (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Osamu Tezuka's works

I saw that not all famous Tezuka's mangas are on the list. I'm pretty sure that Kimba the White Lion and specially Phoenix (his main manga) sold over 20 million copies, but I couldn't find any source that gave the number of sales of those two. Can anyone find a reliable source for the sales of those manga? Cracker-Kun (talk) 15:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

According to Toei Animation, Dragon Ball has sold 260 million copies

The page is protected and I can't edit it. Dragon Ball Super has sold 260 million copies according to the Toei Animation news of May 9, 2021 (Source: https://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/en/press/press-6953497287618550869.html). Can someone change that information and put these numbers in? --Dark PikaDex (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2021

The berserk author has passed away today, and in turn the manga has ended. So the serialization of the manga should be labeled as 1989-2021. JoemamaStarfish (talk) 19:07, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Yes he passed away, but the fate of the series for now is still unknown. I would say it is best to keep it how it is for now since there could be chapters that were finished awhile ago. Link20XX (talk) 19:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Slam dunk and inaccurate sources? As well as Dragon Ball Circulation problem.

I've been looking up the 157 figure on japanese sources and found nothing.

the usual circulation annoucements happen on the magazine themselves or/and reported by numerous websites such as "mantan-web.jp" or Natalie or other such reputable JP sources.

The latest news (Jan 7th 2021) covered slam dunk as 120M . i've looked around for the 157M number all around and could not find it. even on press releases it was not said.

Also Doraemon have sold over 300M in total according to the latest 2020 report. although this was published on a Japanese magazine and i cannot find a written source (Aside from Japanese manga circulation sites)

Dragon Ball Sales also exceed 300. by just simply counting the overseas it is much more then officially announced. For example here are the current numbers and sources

Asia:

Japan: 160M

South Korea 20 million copies, Source

China 10 million copies, Source

Taiwan 10M, Source

Hong Kong 8.4M,Source

Total of Asia sales:208.4M

Europe/South america:

France 35 million copies,Source Source2

Brazil 34 million,Source

Spain 20 million ,Source Source2

Italy 16 million,Source

Germany 8 million,Source

Total EU/SA: 113M

Total combined:321.4M at the very least. this is not accounting for USA/SEA countries. although the US Copies are most likely counted since Viz is owned by shueisha.

At the time of the announcement of Dragon Ball Kai at the Tokyo International Anime Fair 2009 it has been announced it reached 350M there already. Source Source2 and the source is shueisha themselves. Some japanese people emailed toei and confirmed that Shueisha number is correct (Which was the source at the Kai announcement)

Best selling per volume table?

I think it would be interesting to add such table at the top or the bottom.

we can work out with (Circulation/volumes) and limit it to 3M and above (as well as finished?) in order for it to not get too long.

For example

Best Selling Per Manga Volume
Manga Sales Per Volume Volumes
Devilman 10M 5
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba 6.52M 23
DragonBall 6.19M 42


And so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillsEdtior777 (talk • contribs)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:15, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Sources will be the same sources as the ones on the general page. IE if dragon ball has been cited as 260M circulation then it will use 260M in the equation (260/42=6.19) to maintain consistency.

Not every volume has sold the same amount of copies, so this is not a good idea. Just take a look at the Sales section of Kimetsu no Yaiba and you will see that not every volume sold the same amount of copies. Of course volume 23, which sold 2.855 million copies in its first week ("the most that any manga volume has sold in one week"), now must have sold more copies than that, but there's no easy way to know it and we can't assume that older series have an even amount of copies sold for each volume. - Xexerss (talk) 13:03, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


@Xexerss: you bring a good point,We don't really know how much an individual volume has sold.But circulation also doesn't tell us how much a manga has sold or sometimes Shueisha counts Spin-offs for a single series sometimes they don't (Like DB recent number). Or their worldwide counting method (some individual countries don't get counted like with MHA recently) Then i think we should name it Average per volume?WillsEdtior777 (talk) 20:57, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

The difference, in my opinion, is that the copies in circulation/copies sold figures are usually given by official publishers and then spread by secondary sources, making them thus verifiable. However, copies per volume is more complicated, as this info is not specifically given by sources. Also, it could imply that every volume has received the same number of reprints or basically (this is a bit of a stretch) that every person who bought the series bought all its volumes. Not to mention that it's very likely that the copies in circulation for various series not only count the first tankōbon edition, but maybe others as well like bunkoban, kanzenban, aizoban, etc., so that's why, while I get the intention, this doesn't sound like a good idea. - Xexerss (talk)


I do agree in that we cannot verify sales per volume,which is why i suggested the average per volume. I think its a good idea because it shows a different interpretation of the data itself for example Devilman is the best selling per average yet its nowhere near top 30. I think making a table and doing a simple note to explain it is not sales per volume would be enough and we get the benefit of both. Various editions are still of the same series,so this wouldn't really do anything to the average aside from increasing it. The only one which would do is if circulation counts spin-offs or stuff like that. which is usually not really stated by shueisha (Only in Saikyo jump recently). Shueisha circulation in general is inconsistent. For example MHA worldwide number is 13M. USA is 9M and France is at 4M IIRC. yet they don't count 2.6M+ copies sold in Thailand or near 1M in germany or 500K in korea and these aren't even recent numbers. Aside from that in general i think Average per volume would be benefical and add a different POV and interpretation to the data that otherwise people wouldn't think about.Lets see if other editors can weigh in their POV.WillsEdtior777 (talk) 05:20, 16 August 2021 (UTC)


I've made two examples,unsure of which one works better.The one within the table. or a separate table placed above or near the end of the page.

At least 100 million copies and above

Manga series Author(s) Publisher Demographic No. of collected
volumes		 Serialized Approximate sales Average per Volume
One Piece Eiichiro Oda Shueisha Shōnen 100 1997–present 490 million†[1][b] 4.9M
Golgo 13 Takao Saito Shogakukan Seinen 201 1968–present 300 million†[2] 1.49M
Dragon Ball Akira Toriyama Shueisha Shōnen 42 1984–1995 260 million[3][c][d] 6.19M
Naruto Masashi Kishimoto Shueisha Shōnen 72 1999–2014 250 million†[10][e] 3.47M
Detective Conan Gosho Aoyama Shogakukan Shōnen 99 1994–present 230 million†[11][g] 2.32M
Black Jack Osamu Tezuka Akita Shoten Shōnen 25 1973–1983 176 million[12] 7.04M
Doraemon Fujiko F. Fujio Shogakukan Children 45 1969–1996 170 million†[13] 3.78M
Slam Dunk Takehiko Inoue Shueisha Shōnen 31 1990–1996 157 million†[14][h] 5.06M
KochiKame: Tokyo Beat Cops Osamu Akimoto Shueisha Shōnen 200 1976–2016 156.5 million†[15][i] 0.78M
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba Koyoharu Gotouge Shueisha Shōnen 23 2016–2020 150 million†‡[16] 6.50M
Crayon Shin-chan Yoshito Usui Futabasha Seinen 58 1990–present 148 million†[j][17] 2.55M
Oishinbo Tetsu Kariya, Akira Hanasaki Shogakukan Seinen 111 1983–2014 (on hiatus) 135 million[18] 1.21M
Bleach Tite Kubo Shueisha Shōnen 74 2001–2016 120 million†[19][k] 1.62M
Astro Boy Osamu Tezuka Kobunsha Shōnen 23 1952–1968 100 million[20] 4.34M
Attack on Titan Hajime Isayama Kodansha Shōnen 34 2009–2021 100 million†‡[21] 2.94M
Fist of the North Star Buronson, Tetsuo Hara Shueisha Shōnen 27 1983–1988 100 million[22][l] 3.7M
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Hirohiko Araki Shueisha Shōnen/Seinen 131 1987–present 100 million†[23][m] 0.73M
The Kindaichi Case Files Yōzaburō Kanari, Seimaru Amagi, Fumiya Satō Kodansha Shōnen/Seinen 87 1992–present 100 million†[24] 1.149M
Touch Mitsuru Adachi Shogakukan Shōnen 26 1981–1986 100 million[25] 3.84M


Best Average Per Manga Volume
Manga Volumes Sales Per Volume
Devilman 5 10M
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba 23 6.52M
DragonBall 42 6.19M
Slam dunk 31 5M
One Piece 100 4.9M
Touch 26 3.84M
Fist of north star 23 3.7M
Naruto 72 3.47M


Keep in mind numbers aren't 100% since this is just an example i made.

If we do the first one then it would be somewhat misleading since there would be manga like devilman selling 10M but is on the second table. If we do it as a separate table then we would have to decide if we're doing for every single manga on the page or have a cutoff of 2M or so. which will decide if we place it above the tables or at the end of the page. WillsEdtior777 (talk) 04:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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Black jack numbers are faulty

All sources put JP circulation at 40-53M. this means atleast 122M+ comes from overseas. I think theres an error here because it has 25 volumes and it sold more then the actual worldwide hits (Dragonball,Naruto,One piece) and these have 2x/4x the volumes. And i don't think blackjack has anywhere near that worldwide awareness/popularity.

There must be an error here somewhere. I've been looking up official Japanese press numbers but i don't think there is any.

It's a WP:REFLOOP issue that I've been aware of for a while. The original source used for adding 176 million was this ANN article, which got it from an old and incorrect version of Mangazenkan. That ANN article also credits soranews24 for the info, who in turn credits this random site, who then cites Mangazenkan. I specifically recall seeing that Mangazenkan did indeed have that number but then noticing when they corrected it; I remember because it is utterly obvious that Black Jack did not outsell Astro Boy. The current source used just copied what was on Wikipedia at the time they wrote that book. The previous number was 45 million via Yamagata University. Xfansd (talk) 01:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Indeed it is impossible for black jack to have hundred million of sales overseas,when Astro boy is much more knonwn overseas.And it just does not make any sense considering overseas market and the entire manga market was small at the time. Should we fix it and cite that as source?WillsEdtior777 (talk) 09:07, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I'd support that. If anyone re-adds the 176 million number, direct them to this discussion so that they can see that Mangazenkan was the original source for it and that they didn't correct themselves until it was already picked up and spread. Xfansd (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2021 (UTC)


@Cosmo Sentinel: Can you look at this? please stop re-editing. A newer source could still be wrong. especially when its based on a source that changed its numbers.WillsEdtior777 (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Nop, the figure is supported by other japanese well-sourced webs. (https://s.animeanime.jp/article/2015/09/09/24840.html) This is the source used by the japanese wiki. Cracker-Kun (talk) 00:12, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

There's also sources that support that number 45.64 as on here https://ebookjapan.yahoo.co.jp/content/author/legend/tezukaosamu.html The source you mentioned even the numbers per country it on another post https://animeanime.jp/article/2015/09/09/24840.html it has over 130M copies worldwide, it is simply unrealistic and impossible for a manga like this. im 100% sure its a mistake. Akita shoten didn't publish a circulation number recently but i think Annual publishing will have certain information of this. i'll try to look it upWillsEdtior777 (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

I support the argument that the 176M number is likely wrong and currently stands as mostly internet metropolitan legend at this point. The sources it started from are either unreachable or have corrected the number since (mangazenkan, which was originally used as the source for that ANN article, hasn't had that number in years), and I do not recall seeing the number ever mentioned in an official PR statement by Akita Shoten, which you would expect as it is a jump of over 100 million from the previous number given. It feels like at some point the wikis themselves became a reference for this number to be used in articles, which were then referenced on the wiki itself creating a cycle. -KindStrangerr

If someone finds a reliable figure from Akita Shoten, Natalie, Prtimes, etc, about the total Black Jack sales, it will be fine to change it, but for the moment it should stay like this. Cracker-Kun (talk) 16:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah the problem is all of the reliable ones didn't report on it,Akita never published a circulation number either. there might be a number in the Annual publishing for japan or something of the sort.WillsEdtior777 (talk) 10:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Well it has been demostrated that the 176m figure is faulty, the Yamagata University is a pretty good source in this case, so I change it. Cracker-Kun (talk) 13:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Various Languages

Should there be a distinction between sales in Japanese vs sales in English and other languages? For example, One Piece may be the most popular total but it would be interesting to see how it fares among foreign readers vs a domestic audience. 2601:346:C201:60C0:E828:34D0:CBC:4D2 (talk) 22:15, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


No, worldwide circulation vs Japan domestic circulation are unreliable and don't get announced often. So a lot of manga will be left with no data of worldwide sales.WillsEdtior777 (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Naruto sale numbers?

when I read Naruto source, Shueisha edıtor says: "it's an extremely rare for Masashi Kishimoto to be doing a serialization. It isn’t common for mangaka like him, who have already sold 250 million copies worldwide, to still be active in the scene" on Additional Topics part of the interview But the guy called @Cosmo Sentinel: is asking me who told me this?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruderhymer (talk • contribs) 11:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't know much about this edit war,but i think it should be done alphabetically. Naruto circulation is likely higher since it wasn't updated from a while ago and conan is not ending soon. so its likely one of them will be higher then the other sooner or later.WillsEdtior777 (talk) 17:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Change in sales of dragon ball

Shuesha said during teg announcement of dragon ball kai that dragon ball had around 359 million copies, so please change the best selling manga list 45.117.180.148 (talk) 13:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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