Talk:In Summer (Renoir)
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Title: The Bohemian (Renoir) or In Summer (Renoir) or something else[edit]
May I ask for some sources to support the contention that this painting is always known as In Summer and has never been known as The Bohemian?
Certainly, it seems it was first exhibited under the title of En été, étude (I've not found a contemporaneous catalogue entry, but the sources are reasonably clear), and the SMB call it Im Sommer.[1]
However, there are many sources to show that it has often been known as something like En été: la bohémienne or Lise or just La bohémienne (usually translated as "The Bohemian", or sometimes "The Gypsy"). For example, this (from 1978; see entry 294 on page xxvi: "En été: La Bohémienne" ) or this (from 1999; see page 459: "In Summer: The Bohemian (En ete; etude - dit Lise ou La bohemienne)") or Google ("Original Title: En été / La bohémienne") or this from the Grand Palais ("En été, étude (Lise, La Bohémienne)").
Perhaps a better title in English might be In Summer, Study if we are going to stick with the original exhibition title, even if that might not be the most common title in English. That said, the links above suggest that something like In Summer: The Bohemian might be better. -- Theramin (talk) 00:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- I've been writing about Renoir for several months now and I haven't run across one major contemporary reference to this work as "The Bohemian" anywhere in the Renoir literature. It's called "En été; étude" which is variously translated as "In Summer; Study" or "Summertime; Study". It seems inconsequential to use "study", as I think a lot of works drop the "study" from the title since it's so common, but that's just my opinion. I suggest we go with the original or translated title that was used during the exhibition[2][3] or the one listed in the published catalogue raisonné of Renoir. Viriditas (talk) 01:07, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- Well, both of your links say "In Summer, Study"; but I gave you several sources above that use other titles, and if you go to the next page on your first link - the one with the plate[4] - the caption says "[now known as Lise or The Gypsy Girl]". What does the catalogue raisonné say? -- Theramin (talk) 01:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- In my personal experience, I've found that House sometimes uses his own nomenclature, probably for his own reasons, so when he says "now known as Lise or The Gypsy Girl", I would question exactly what he meant by that. Clearly, it isn't true, as the hosting institution, Alte Nationalgalerie, calls it Im Sommer (In Summer).[5][6][7] Viriditas (talk) 01:50, 5 August 2015 (UTC)