Talk:Gerald Holtom

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PEACE TO THE WORLD PLEASE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.244.254.45 (talk) 21:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The concept for the symbol was suggested to Holtom by Dr. Robert Hereward Glendinning in an informal meeting after the official CND meeting. There are accounts from close sources, but no written evidence, can this be put into the article? 86.141.200.204 (talk) 23:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, not without reliable written sources. Your account is at odds with the account in Christopher Driver, The Disarmers, and every other account I have read (most of which seem to rely on Driver). Is there anything in the Bradford papers about this? Who are these "close sources" and who is Robert Hereward Glendinning? Marshall46 (talk) 15:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If Holtom was an Eglishman and a conscientious objector in World War II wasn't he objecting to the defense of his country? Wasn't he objecting to his freedom? What was his solution to Nazi attack? The peace sign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.236.0.11 (talk) 22:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since he didn't design the symbol until 1958, and it wasn't a "peace sign", that remark is about as far from relevant to this topic (him) as it could be. [The short answer to your implied question is that pacifism allows you to resist evil, but requires that you not commit evil in doing so. Many conscientious objectors worked in ambulance services or bomb-disposal, and very brave they were too.]--Hugh7 (talk) 22:44, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On his grave[edit]

The symbol is on his gravestone.http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f28/edc3/Diary%20Photos/CBSSundayMorning3.jpg A picture here would be nice.--Hugh7 (talk) 22:44, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient use of the symbol, must be included[edit]

The following was recently removed, I understand you might want to reword it, but to remove well referenced source material outright is contrary to the methods by which wikipedia can be improved.

- Prior to its repurposing to represent the CND and the peace movement, the symbol had in fact ancient roots, including just prior to the CND's adoption of it, its use as the insignia of the 3rd Panzer Division http://www.teachpeace.com/peacesymbolhistory.htm

Feel free to discuss a rewording with me on my talk page, but fundamentally this refernce must be included. Boundarylayer (talk) 18:17, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Exceptional claim, inadequate source. Marshall46 (talk) 18:26, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Where adopted?[edit]

The article says the symbol was adopted at 3 Blackstock Road (above Housmans Bookshop). The link given as a source is dead. But there is a confusion here between the address of the CND offices, which were at Blackstock Road, and the address of Housmans Bookshop, which was (and still is) at 5 Caledonian Road. In the absence of a source I think this confused sentence should be deleted. Pelarmian (talk) 11:54, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Checked the CND website: they say it was adopted at the Peace News office (which was in Caledonian Road). Edited accordingly and citation updated. Pelarmian (talk) 12:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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copyright versus trademark[edit]

The article currently reads "The logo was not copyrighted ..". That is completely nonsensical as copyright attached automatically in Britain at that time. Probably what should be said is "The logo was not trademarked .." Trademarking requires explicit registration. I cannot edit the article because I have no reliable secondary sources to quote. Neither does the current wording cite sources either, for that matter. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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