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Vandalism?

Looks like this page has been vandalized. He was drafted by the 49ers and never played for the Steelers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.93.96.227 (talk) 05:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Who was 10 years old?

"He got Sammy when he was 10 years old." Which one was 10 years old, at the time of acquiring? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.84.238.197 (talk) 05:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Kaepernick was 10 years old. Not sure about the tortoise. I edited the paragraph to make it less ambiguous. -Brycehughes (talk) 07:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Kaepernick is not a rookie

The article states Colin Kaepernick was a rookie during the 2013 NFC playoff game vs Green Bay, but he wasn't. 71.104.64.68 (talk) 04:41, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Not done: {{edit semi-protected}} is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages.

Edit request on 13 January 2013

The page on Colin Kaepernick states that he set the QB record for rushing yards in a single game during his 'rookie' season. Although 2012/2013 is the first season he started games, he was drafted in 2011 and is therefore a 2nd year player...not a rookie. Tytend49 (talk) 04:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC) Not done: {{edit semi-protected}} is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages.

Colin Kaepernick only won one bowl game at Nevada

The text "At Nevada, Kaepernick led his team to two bowl game victories" should be changed to "At Nevada, Kaepernick led his team to a bowl game victory". Myliverhatesme (talk) 05:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Partly done: Removed erroneous mention of two bowl victories. Reworked lead to instead mention 2 WAC player of the year awards and Bowl MVP instead.—Bagumba (talk) 19:25, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

NCAA TD record

Resolved

Graves (Wofford) rushed for 72 TD's as a QB, a NCAA record. Kaepernick's 59 is a Division I record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.231.2.170 (talk) 14:55, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I updated to qualify that it was an FBS record.—Bagumba (talk) 19:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

No 49ers Photo?

This guy has started 9 nfl games now, been in the league for 2 years and has just lead his team into the superbowl. I think its time to drop the photo of him playing for nevada and put one up of him playing for the 49ers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.188.95 (talk) 19:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Can a FREE image be provided? NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 20:42, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Puerto Rican heritage

He's part Puerto Rican.

Ok, Puerto Rican of what ethnicity or race? "Puerto Rican" s not a race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.172.121.99 (talk) 04:55, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
This may be true, but we would not be able to add this unless a reliable source can verify this.—Bagumba (talk) 06:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Feel free to update when reliable sources exist.—Bagumba (talk) 01:05, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2014

86.172.2.42 (talk) 20:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC) It stats that Colin Kaepernick was drafted by the 49ers in 2012 when it actually occurred in the 2011 draft! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Francisco_49ers_season Open this link to see proof of my statement, he was drafted in 2011 not 2012!

 Not done The page already lists his draft year as 2011. NFLisAwesome (ZappaOMati's alternate account) 21:31, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Drug and other accusations

Is no one going to add the police investigations he was under recently?Zdawg1029 (talk) 01:07, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Kaepernick Investigated for Possible Assault

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/04/11/4051537/49pers-qb-colin-kaepernick-2-other.html

Multiple national level publications ran pieces on this investigation. It should be included as a part of Kaepernick's Personal Section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.158.0 (talk) 17:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Birth parents

As the article mentions that he is biracial and adopted, I'm not sure why a couple of sentences describing his birth parents and the circumstances that led to his adoption was deleted again. Seems instrumental in developing him into the person he is today.—Bagumba (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

You can tell that he is not African-American. He is of Arabic descent. I would like to see the source for your information. I heard a TV Sports Announcer refer to his Arabic descent. Please post your source so I can go directly there. talk 00:04, 7 Sept 2014 (UTC)KarenL8426 (talk) 00:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

His parents are covered at Colin_Kaepernick#Early_life_and_high_school.—Bagumba (talk) 00:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2014

You presently describe Heidi Russo as "Heidi Russo, a blonde who was 19 years old." She had dark brown hair, as you can see from this photo. http://www.americaadopts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/heidi2-e1384899057660.jpg Although her hair is permed in the photo, you can see at the roots it's very dark brown. I don't know why someone changed your text to "blonde". 96.234.3.200 (talk) 04:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: the 2nd source describes Russo as such: "...the offspring of a blonde, athletic mother". Also cannot verify who your photo is of. see Wikipedia's policy page on reliable sources. Cannolis (talk) 05:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Don't know how you submit these things. Instructions maybe be good for someone who already knows. Youtube link confirms authenticity of the photo of the guy's mother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6httEJFOeo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.3.200 (talk) 22:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah that looks like her. My two cents is that she was blonde when she was interviewed in the source cited, and also appears to be so in the video you linked, and that's how they describe her. However, you and I just looking at her image and saying she is a brunette would be considered original research here on Wikipedia. It may seem strange but the source that's cited does describe her has a blonde, and unless another source can be found that explicitly says she is a brunette, we have to use what the sources give us. Cannolis (talk) 02:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Avoiding a Stereotype

"Kaepernick was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, to Heidi Russo, a blonde who was 19 years old, almost broke and single. His African-American birth father was out of the picture before he was born"

Reasons for revision: Why does his mother's hair color have any relevancy to this article? "Out of the picture" is extremely biased writing that, when paired in the same sentence with the fact that his father was African-American, can lead the reader to conclude that there is a relationship between his father being African-American and his father being "out of the picture". And this article uses the word, " broke", but that's obviously not a statement that can be proved because it's a matter of opinion. Articles should refrain from using colloquialisms like, "broke" and "out of the picture"

Suggested Revised Version. Kaepernick was raised by a single mother in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His mother, Heidi Russo, gave birth to Kaepernick at age 19.

2601:0:8E80:306:510A:853F:633C:78BD (talk)Kaepernick Kate2601:0:8E80:306:510A:853F:633C:78BD (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Kaepernick being adopted and bi-racial has received sufficient coverage in the press, so due weight warrants it being mentioned here. Wikipedia itself should be written neutrally, and I believe the existing text generally is, and not much can be done if a reader has preconceived stereotypes based on the verifiable facts the article presents. Otherwise, we would need to worry about stereotypes readers might have about single mothers, 19-year olds, or people from Wisconsin.—Bagumba (talk) 01:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Did you ignore the specific statements that I pointed out that are clearly biased writing? 2601:0:8E80:306:500F:B199:40EF:B479 (talk) 03:43, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

And I repeat, what does his mothers hair color have to do with anything? Your response doesn't address any of the points I brought up. Their /are/ phrases and colloquialisms in that part that constitute biased writing. Take the words, "blonde", "broke", and "out of the picture" out of the article for these reasons. 2601:0:8E80:306:500F:B199:40EF:B479 (talk) 03:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I also feel that the "blonde" and "out of picture" is just poor writing. How about

Please change "Kaepernick was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, to Heidi Russo, a blonde who was 19 years old, almost broke and single. His African-American birth father was out of the picture before he was born.[1][2] Russo placed her son for adoption with Rick and Teresa Kaepernick" to "Kaepernick was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, to a white mother (Heidi Russo) and an african american father (name unknown). Russo, who was only 19 years old at the time and almost broke and single placed her son for adoption with Rick and Teresa Kaepernick..." Frapsicum (talk) 03:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Not done: It doesn't seem an impriovement, and you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 07:20, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2015

Mcgeenutt (talk) 22:53, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: It's an empty request.—Bagumba (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2016

Colin Kaepernick does not play for and NEVER played for the Denver Broncos. [PASTED] Colin Rand Kaepernick (born November 3, 1987) is an American football quarterback for the Denver Broncos of the National Football League (NFL) [END PASTE] 2600:8806:3300:C4:7076:8B5A:2798:D59A (talk) 14:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

 Done vandalism at 04:04 this morning partly reverted, have now reverted the rest - Thanks for pointing it out - Arjayay (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2016

Quarterback of the Denver Broncos 173.167.198.161 (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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Broncos, 49ers agree to parameters of Colin Kaepernick trade

See Trade hinges on if Broncos, Colin Kaepernick can agree on restructured contract. Thoughts? QuackGuru (talk) 03:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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Race

According to TIME, he had a black biological father and white bio mom. http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013/07/25/dont-call-him-a-freak-colin-kaepernick-opens-up-on-quarterback-sociology-tattoos-adoption/ However, I think we should hesitate to label him as (for example) African American without knowing how he personally identifies. Multiracial people sometimes identify as only one race or even "mixed" without specifying anything else. Steeletrap (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

If he were not part African-American, would his race even be as important? People, Kaepernick is a great football player with tremendous potential. How about we focus on him, his skills, and prospects. Wikipedia does not need an entire section dedicated to his race. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:A580:F28:78D5:DD22:7F0A:8DB1 (talk) 03:23, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


it is curious that black lives matter, but who exactly is black does not... 2601:18E:C501:5FE2:7ACA:39FF:FEB2:EFCB (talk) 16:30, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2016


You need to remove the random link in his "personal life" - non cited conservative propaganda about racial Islam.

Rchwaluk (talk) 00:56, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done Yeah, I wouldn't exactly consider ConservativeTreeHouse a neutral, much less a reliable, source for this type of situation. Zappa24Mati 01:02, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Did he switch to Islam or not?2602:306:CC42:8340:ED27:1649:C2E0:74B6 (talk) 03:20, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Explanation from Snopes says otherwise. Even if Snopes isn't reliable in this case, there's not a lot of, if any, reliable sources that say he is. Zappa24Mati 21:47, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
Honestly, most of the people saying he's a Muslim are people that are blindly Patriotic and take anything like this as an un-patriotic move and they jump to the bigoted "He's a Muslim what do you expect?" kind of argument. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 00:42, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Subjective comments under 'Controversy'

Someone added 'Kaepernick hates his country', under the national anthem controversy. Can this please be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.207.60.231 (talk) 09:05, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2016

The sentence "Colin Kaepernick hates America and does not respect the country." needs "Citation needed".


Thomas bugno (talk) 08:47, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Already done The statement in question has already been removed. Topher385 (talk) 09:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Genetic connection to Nicolaus Copernicus?

This guy's last name is "Kaepernick", which is in fact an americanized version of the Polish surname "Kopernik". "Kopernik" was the original surname of a man known as Nicolaus Copernicus. Could this man named Colin be an ancestor of the famous Kopernik family? Could his ancestry be Polish? Wikipedia says that his father was a Black American. Poles owned no slaves, during the later slave-era Poles were seen as the second-class citizens in the USA, and were not considered White. Any idea where did the Polish-sounding last name come from? Yatzhek (talk) 16:21, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

The last name is from the adoptive family. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Orlando Sentinel: "Colin Kaepernick Castro T-shirt is ignorant of facts, insulting"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/george-diaz-en-fuego/os-colin-kaepernick-castro-t-shirt-20160830-story.html 71.182.247.123 (talk) 22:43, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2016

Please remove any references regarding Nessa Diab as his girlfriend. Mr Kaepernick has never confirmed Ms. Diab as his girlfriend. This was picked up as a story initially sent to Michael Ortiz at TMZ by Ms. Diab after attending a Camp Taylor charity event. However, she and Mr. Kaepernick are not in relationship and have broken all ties

Mgasteneaux (talk) 14:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:29, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Lack of African American category

Why is this article not in any African American category? 173.88.241.33 (talk) 22:42, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. 173.88.241.33 (talk) 21:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

National anthem controversy Giving it its own section Or bigger heading text maybe?

I was considering giving the national anthem controversy info its own section Or bigger heading text in this article as i believe the reason most readers visit this page is that information because of the controversy and notability involved. That way they it will be easier for readers rather than reading through the entire article to find the info

The hashtag should be #VeteransForKaepernick, no spaces.

As a career veteran, I was greatly surprised to read, "A number of U.S. military veterans voiced support using the social media hashtag "veterans for Kaepernick." The vast majority of comments I've seen on various social media sites are quite negative. To be frank, those of us who risk our lives to serve our county don't view people who disrespect it in positive manner. To only mention veteran comments in a positive light in the article is not at all representative of the way most veterans feel about Kaepernick's highly disrespectful behavior and is highly deceptive, not worthy of Wikipedia's standards.2601:281:C204:6170:5DF7:F593:4CF1:887A (talk) 10:23, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

However before doing so would like the opinion of several other editors Thanks Sassmouth (talk) 06:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

support.--107.77.202.42 (talk) 00:35, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • What these protesters are doing is a form of Genuflection but not in respect. This leads to confusion of how to show disrespect so the protesters should simply sit. Septagram (talk) 05:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


The protest section itself deserves existence, but I strongly disagree with the inclusion of the Veterans piece. It implies all veterans approve of CK's protest, or that there was no "other" side. If a veterans position is noteworthy, then both sides must be presented since it's an opinion of some veterans but not others. That area should be removed to keep impartiality or expanded to include both. Seola (talk) 09:49, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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National Anthem Protest

Glad that users have already created a National Anthem Protest headline in Colin Kaepernick's Wikipedia page.

1. Is each fact referenced appropriately with a reliable reference? 2. Would it be important to add the Kaepernick's kneeling resulting in a movement of athletes from high school to other sports also kneeling during the National Anthem? 3. Would it also be important to add information on the third stanza of the National Anthem, explicitly disregarding the importance of black lives? Ahjayce (talk) 12:20, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

@Ahjayce: see 2016 U.S. national anthem protests for more information. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 13:48, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia is a neutral site. We just give out the facts and refrain from taking sides. 2602:306:CC42:8340:40C1:7161:F51B:90D3 (talk) 03:51, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
That's a joke. Wiki has a liberal bias. And yes, Colin is so oppressed making $110+ million with the 49ers. 2600:8805:5800:F500:9C9D:6AB3:CBF8:A317 (talk) 00:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
@2600:8805:5800:F500:9C9D:6AB3:CBF8:A317: see the thing about "conservatives", they think facts are "liberal". I can't help if they are so unused to using facts that they are scared by them. But (ironically enough) facts are facts, Wikipedia has guidelines of neutrality. If you can't accept that, that's your problem. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 06:03, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2016

Hello! Can you please edit the following sentence in the third paragraph of the article by removing the word "alleged": "Kaepernick gained national attention when he began protesting the alleged oppression of black people..."

I don't think I need to provide reliable resources regarding the reality of the oppression of black people in the US/the world historically or in contemporary times, but I can do so if necessary!

Thank you,

M 142.169.78.159 (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Please establish consensus here. I can see how this edit could be challenged. -- Dane talk 04:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2016

please remove "alleged" before "oppression of black people". Cvrenaud (talk) 03:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Note: Duplicate request. See above. -- Dane talk 04:44, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Rushing TD incorrect

The rushing touchdowns for 2016 is 439

http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaepernick/2495186/careerstats — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.29.250.221 (talk) 10:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Current Tense Versus Past Tense

The article currently says that, "Colin Rand Kaepernick ... is an American football quarterback" however, no NFL team has signed him. Should we update the article to say that he was an American football player? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:20, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Weak Sentence in Introduction

[Kaepernick]

The existing version of the third paragraph of the introduction reads:

"...motivated by what he viewed as the oppression of black people and other non-white races in the U.S." (third paragraph, second sentence).

It should be amended to state "...motivated by the opression of black people and other non-white races in the U.S." It sounds wildly unintelligent to suggest that minority oppression is merely Colin Kaepernick's perception of how minorities are and have been historically treated in the United States. History of minority oppression in the U.S. is an objective reality, not a subjective opinion.

Leaving the phrase "what he viewed as" in that sentence undermines the legitimacy of racial oppression. Left as is, the sentence sounds uninformed and frankly ridiculous.

Stating blatantly that oppression of minorities is woven into the fabric of U.S. history in no way "takes sides" (as a previous editor suggested) on Kaepernick's National Anthem protest. It simply acknowledges the undeniable history that motivated Kaepernick's actions.

The previous editor also removed the link to segregation on the word oppression, stating that "it is not really the issue" -- racial segregation is however the archetypal example of minority oppression, so that link was a valid addition to the biography and should not have been removed.

Thank you for your time.

Kam16214 (talk) 05:31, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

“Controversy” section needed

There appears to be deliberate attempt here to mitigate the degree to which Kaepernick alienated the public, and to whitewash the series of offences he has authored..The account of his fine for “offensive language” is vague, buried in a inconspicuous “Year” section, and the amount of the fine unspecified. The fact that Kaepernick denied the charge despite the testimony of numerous witnesses has been ignored. Hence the very probable link between the use of a racial epithet against a fellow player and the subsequent “protest” against racial discrimination is blurred if not buried. Most articles on controversial subjects have a “Controversy” section. Why doesn’t this one? Orthotox (talk) 20:03, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Usually people don't have controversy sections, just ideas/events. I could be wrong about that though, I've just never seen it.--Planetjanet (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Contrary to Wikipedia's widely recognized reputation for "Controversy" sections, they're actually supposed to be avoided, especially on articles of living persons. Lizard (talk) 22:06, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2017

The sentence "His birth father, an African American, left the family before Colin was born." should be changed to either "His birth father, an African American man, left the family before Colin was born." OR, even better, "His birth father was African American and left the family before Colin was born." Saying "an African American." full-stop is the same as saying "a colored." or "a black." and is racist, furthermore, you wouldn't say "a French." or "an English." because they're all adjectives. Kiarazuri (talk) 19:26, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Done since the request is rather benign. —KuyaBriBriTalk 19:37, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2017

Colin Kaepernick has not officially signed with a Jets 2600:1:F102:BDA7:2DEE:CC12:AB4D:D4C6 (talk) 04:12, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2017

Colin Kaepernick is a former professional football player. 74.93.12.137 (talk) 21:07, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. —KuyaBriBriTalk 22:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2017

The paragraph added on 8-19-2017 refers to a gathering on the bank of the Hudson River beneath the Brooklyn Bridge. But the Brooklyn Bridge crosses the East River, not the Hudson River. 2601:8C:4280:8D10:C186:ACDD:464B:E3A7 (talk) 04:04, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Done I had to check the Brooklyn Bridge page to confirm. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 04:10, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Philanthropy

There are numerous news sources that detail substantial donations to various causes. I suspect that his contributions exceed the norm for professional athletes and may justify inclusion in the article. 107.77.241.12 (talk) 13:16, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

NPOV missing in newest paragraph?

The following paragraph was recently (yesterday?) added:

Frank Serpico gave a speech live on Facebook and stood with NYPD police officers on 19 August 2017 in New York on the bank of the East River at the foot of the Brooklyn Bridge in support of Colin Kaepernick, who was ostracized by the NFL governing body for heroically taking a moral stand against rampant police brutality, and street killings of over one thousand American citizens each year since records begun, more than any other country on earth according to the World Health Organization. Mr Serpico was famously quoted, "10% are good, 10% are bad and the rest are somewhere in the middle."

This strikes me as pretty loaded. While I personally support Kaepernick's protest, describing his treatment by the NFL as being "ostracized," putting it forward as a "heroic" moral stand against "rampant police brutality" all seems over-the-top. I suggest those particular characterizations be toned down and some source found for the claim "street killings of over one thousand American citizens each year since records begun" (!!!).

Lastly, if that last line's such a famous quote, let's source it. Otherwise, strike it. (Frankly, I feel like everything up to "Kaepernick" could be struck and the article improved. This one gathering--which didn't feature Kaepernick--seems to be getting undue weight in this BLP.)

Nitsua60 (talk) 20:18, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi KalHolmann, I noticed you removed a section from the Kaepernick page for not being sourced. Better practice would have been to add the citation needed template, or just do a quick search and add the citations, of which there are many: WaPo, guardian, and sporting news are probably the most WP:RS. I propose we restore the section, make the edits in the spirit Nitsua60 and add the sources. Nitsua60 I think we could look at the sources and potentially add a quote or clarification about exactly why they were in support of Kaepernick, which the second portion does. Thoughts?--Theredproject (talk) 02:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Theredproject, if you can find WP:RS reporting that Kaepernick "was ostracized by the NFL governing body for heroically taking a moral stand against rampant police brutality, and street killings of over one thousand American citizens each year," then by all means I support restoring that material. I apologize if I overstepped my bounds. KalHolmann (talk) 02:42, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
KalHolmann, you removed the whole part. Baby (the fact that the event happeend) and the bathwater (the interpretation). I am suggesting keeping the baby. We can throw out the bathwater. I just showed you 3 RS that cover the Baby. --Theredproject (talk) 18:18, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Theredproject, read my response timestamped 02:42, 25 August 2017. I believe I made it clear I will not interfere with restoration of the disputed material providing you cite to WP:RS. Be my guest. But if you try editorializing the way Hailypaige did on 19 August 2017, without citing WP:RS, I shall again remove such violations of WP:NPOV. KalHolmann (talk) 18:38, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
If this passage is to be restored, everything after and including "...who was ostracized" should be cut. I think we can all agree it's blatant POV-pushing and editorializing. Lizard (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Done.--Theredproject (talk) 20:09, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Possible bias

In the third paragraph, "displayed disrespect for America" -- isn't that assigning a value judgement? A more factual way of phrasing that could be: "when he chose not to stand for the playing of the United national anthem". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.24.94 (talk • contribs)

  • I (original commenter) would submit that the only way to prevent any kind of bias is to present facts and let the readers draw their own conclusions, so (IMO) Mackensen is helping preserve the NPOV rather than injecting anyone's opinion into the mix. I agree with you, though, that keeping any hint of bias out of a reference source is something for which we should all strive.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.24.94 (talk • contribs)
  • But you could easily have done so by simply saying "according to his critics, Kaepernick displayed disrespect for America". Putting your own personal bias on it and claiming it as a non-subjective fact is better how? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:08, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure that any new bias was introduced by presenting it as a "non-subjective" fact, but what's the internet for if not for arguments? I'll bow out, though, and leave the decision to registered users and people with more of an opinion on the issue.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.24.94 (talk • contribs)
    • Actually I just checked and this was written for the lead? In that case, the previous wording was better, because you can't argue he did not create controversy by protesting/not standing, but saying he "disrespected America" is something that shouldn't be claimed as fact. The first amendment allows for this, so how can you objectively disrespect a country by following its constitution? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Controversy section

The article says that Donald Trump said that he would threaten a PR crisis, but the sources only show that Trump acknowledges that NFL owners fear that he could. Could it be rewritten to be more accurate or have better citations? 128.211.225.127 (talk) 20:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Hmm maybe. Can you rephrase that typically vague Trumpian remark in a better way? Drmies (talk) 23:13, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

"protesting the anthem"

The last paragraph of the introductory section states, "His actions prompted a wide variety of responses, including additional athletes in the NFL and other American sports leagues protesting the anthem in various ways."

I suggest that should be "protesting during the anthem," not "protesting the anthem."

Detractors have portrayed the protests as being against the anthem or flag or military vs. against police brutality and racial injustice.

As has been said, they are no more protesting the anthem than Rosa Parks protested against buses, or civil rights activists protested against lunch counters, or hunger strikers protested against food.

Mzoh (talk) 23:46, 28 September 2017 (UTC)mzyoh

I clarified that the protests were during the anthem, and not against the anthem.—Bagumba (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Complete fabrication about this sentence in the article!

"President Donald Trump took credit for Kaepernick’s situation, claiming he would use Twitter to create a public relations crisis for any team that signed him" -- just watch the video in the link!! That is completely mischaracterizing what Donald Trump said and twisting his words claiming that he would use twitter to create a public relations crisis!! 67.233.36.166 (talk) 05:47, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I have reworded it for clarity. Galobtter (talk) 06:19, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Professional kneeler?

Vandalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.187.156 (talk) 23:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, a rare case of vandalism by a confirmed user. Lizard (talk) 00:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Citizen of the Year

He was recently recognized as “Citizen of the Year” on the GQ magazine. I thought it would only be respectful to add that to his career highlights and awards.

Thank you. Splaashy38 (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2017

Under the section titled "2016 Season", please change this line:

On March 3, 2016, Kaepernick officially opted out of his contract with the 49ers, an option as part of his restructured contract, therefore making him a free agent at the start of the 2017 league year.

To:

2017 season

On March 3, 2017, Kaepernick officially opted out of his contract with the 49ers, an option as part of his restructured contract, therefore making him a free agent at the start of the 2017 league year.

Per the source cited in the footnote:

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Colin-Kaepernick-Opts-Out-of-Contract-Becomes-a-Free-Agent/55f3952d-1f83-4682-bf97-3c423ab26fa8

The source is from Mar 3, 2017. Mawtino (talk) 18:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done, but removed the double citations here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Errors

Google sources here for Colins race. Only mentions fathers race, (African American male) and mothers name, mother is Caucasian female. So colin is mixed. Please update wiki to include all information. Akira2103 (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

  •  Done Lizard (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Judging reactions as "positive" and "negative" seems deeply POV to me.

With regard to the following paragraph:

"His actions prompted negative and positive responses. The negative responses included . . . Positive responses included . . ."

Judging the reactions as positive and negative imposes the writer's POV on public reaction to his protest. It might be more neutral to say that some of the public supported his protest, and others opposed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.34.255 (talk) 19:39, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

U.S. national anthem protest

This title of this section is highly misleading, isn't it? It implies that he was protesting the national anthem when in fact he was protested police killings of black men. -- Hux (talk) 00:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

His protest involved not standing for the national anthem. The reliable sources cover it with similar terminology [1].[2]. There's this general article on U.S. anthem protests: U.S. national anthem protests. DynaGirl (talk) 01:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Right, but that's a description of the action. To call it the "U.S. national anthem protest" would be like calling Emily Davison's death the "horse racing protest", or Thich Quang Duc's self-immolation the "gasoline protest". Regarding the general article, that title makes more sense given that it's about all protests taking place during the national anthem, so the title necessarily can't describe them all, except to note the common feature. -- Hux (talk) 08:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, it's a protest that has occurred during the anthem. Followers state that they are protesting racial inequality, while opponents contend that they are being disrespectful of the flag. The title can be misleading if it's interpreted that they are protesting the flag.—Bagumba (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Let's not go down the false-equivalence "fair and balanced" road here. What his protest is about (which is specifically what we're discussing here) is not a matter of the opinions of its supporters or detractors. It's about what he himself says it's about. -- Hux (talk) 08:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
I think we are in agreement. Do you have an alternative title in mind?—Bagumba (talk) 09:00, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm not convinced the current section title needs changed given that "anthem protest" is the language used by reliable sources such as The Washington Post [3], CNN [4],[5], NPR [6], NYTimes [7], and even Think Progress [8] however, it seems this could perhaps be tweaked to "protest during U.S. national anthem" if it's felt added clarity is needed so readers are clear these are protests during the anthem and not protests against the anthem. DynaGirl (talk) 12:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Controversy over free agency

In the second paragraph - "...According to former African American Ravens player Ray Lewis, the offer was terminated...". Why is "African American" in the sentence? Why does Ray Lewis' race matter? Can it be taken out? 136.180.180.220 (talk) 16:58, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Seems gratuitous to me, so deleted. That whole reference seems very non-encyclopedic to me, actually — I don't see how any he said/she said (in any form), serves the aims of Wikipedia, and suggest that quotes be pared down or deleted.Lindenfall (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Activism and flag protest — dual sections

Shouldn't Activism and the U.S. national anthem protest sections be combined into one section, with sub-sections? Seems disjointed, and somewhat redundant, as is.Lindenfall (talk) 01:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Too often articles have undue criticism sections that are better integrated.—Bagumba (talk) 01:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

I would like to add information about colin kaepernick and the nike ad from the nytimes newspaper website stating, "The ads have sent Kaepernick into a new realm of celebrity, quickly becoming among the most talked-about and successful campaigns in recent years. And they have allowed Nike, which has a history of provocative marketing campaigns, to capitalize on the so-called Resistance movement in a way it only recently realized it could.

They are also yet another vehicle for Kaepernick to raise his own profile as a sort of civil rights entrepreneur unlike anyone before has, certainly in sports. He has signed deals to write a book — which is set to be published next year and will be accompanied by a speaking tour — and to develop a comedy series.

But it almost didn’t happen. In the summer of 2017, a debate raged in Nike’s headquarters in Beaverton, Ore., over whether to cut loose the controversial, unemployed quarterback — and the company very nearly did, according to two individuals with knowledge of the discussions who requested anonymity because of nondisclosure agreements each has with Nike." Mjac142 (talk) 02:11, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

No. no reliable source. -Roxy, in the middle. wooF 12:55, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

I would like to change a word in the sentence, "At age nine, he was the starting quarterback on his youth team, and he completed his first pass for a long touchdown." The word for should be'with' instead of for. Mjac142 (talk) 02:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Why? There is nothing wrong with the current phrasing. -Roxy, in the middle. wooF 12:57, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

I would like to add the sentence, "Nike's favorability dropped by double digits after the ad with Kaepernick's face was released". This information comes from www.morningconsult.com Mjac142 (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Please supply a source, rather than expect us to go looking. -Roxy, in the middle. wooF 12:58, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2018

Under "Activism", change Kaeperkick to Kaepernick. Spaaken01 (talk) 09:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Done. -Roxy, in the middle. wooF 09:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

a 19-year-old Caucasian woman

We don't refer to Asians as Mongoloid or African Americans as Negro so why do you refer to a European American woman as Caucasian. It's obsolete and racist

a 19-year-old European-American woman — Preceding unsigned comment added by JAnwera (talk • contribs) 19:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Her ethnicity is Czech and Irish... but seems like when anyone tries to put that it’s removed. Trillfendi (talk) 19:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Request for Several Key Edits to Colin Kaepernick's Wikipedia Page With Information

"Colin Rand Kaepernick (/ˈkæpərnɪk/ KAP-ər-nik;[1] born November 3, 1987) is an American political activist and professional American football quarterback who is currently a free agent." Edit: "Colin Rand Kaepernick (/ˈkæpərnɪk/ KAP-ər-nik;[1] born November 3, 1987) is an American football quarterback who is currently a free agent as well as a civil rights advocate."

"Over the next three seasons, Kaepernick lost and won back his starting job, with the 49ers missing the playoffs for three years consecutively. He opted out of his contract with the 49ers to become a free agent after the 2016 season." Edit: "In 2015, Kaepernick lost the starting job due to injuries, and regained the job when he returned to form during the 2016 season. After being informed he would be cut following the 2016 season, he opted out of his contract with the 49ers to become a free agent at the start of the 2017 offseason."

"As of the end of the 2018 NFL season, Kaepernick holds the league's second lowest interception percentage (1.77%),[6] ranks fourth in touchdown-to-interception ratio (2.4)[7] and holds NFL records for rushing yards by a quarterback in a game (181)[8][9] and in a single postseason (264)." Edit: "As of the end of the 2018 NFL season, Kaepernick has the second lowest interception percentage (1.77%) of all qualifying quarterbacks spanning the ninety-nine year history of the National Football League,[6] ranks fourth all-time in touchdown-to-interception ratio (2.4) among qualifying quarterbacks,[7] and holds NFL records for rushing yards by a quarterback in a game (181)[8][9] and in a single postseason (264). In addition, with regards to advanced metrics, he places second all-time in postseason Win Probability Added (WPA) per game at 0.29 WPA per game, and second all-time in postseason Expected Points Added (EPA) per game at 9.42 EPA per game. (https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfls-best-playoff-quarterbacks-dvoa-and-dyar)"

Johnjenkins3615 (talk) 05:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)johnjenkins3615

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 16:45, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Bibliography (ENGL 2000)

Hi all, I am looking at this article and have found some credible sources to alter some of the information presented. Whenever you get a moment, let me know if you believe these are decent sources to refer to that will guarantee a quality change in the activism and Lawsuit against the NFL sections.

[1] [2]

(SamMarzullo423 (talk) 16:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC))

References

  1. ^ HARRIS, JAIME C. “Colin Kaepernick Feels the Forces Conservative NFL Fan Base.” New York Amsterdam News, vol. 108, no. 31, 3 Aug. 2017, p.37
  2. ^ Bishop, Greg, and Ben Baskin. “The KAP EFFECT.” Sports Illustrated, no. 18, 2017, p. 63.

Lawsuit against the NFL section

Should the "Lawsuit against the NFL" section move under his professional career since it's more related to that than his activism efforts? Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

If we do, his on-field protests should also move to the "Professional career" section. Otherwise, there's no context as to why he's filing a lawsuit or why he might have been out of a job. His activism away from the field and philanthropy can remain in a standalone section.—Bagumba (talk) 08:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree with that. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:36, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Colin Kaepernick Is a Free Agent.

10/10/2019-Greetings-Colin Kaepernick has never retired from NFL football. This is not a technicality. Just today--10/10/2019, Kaepernick's agent sent out a inquiry letter for a try out with all 32 NFL teams. Many, many players who have np contract are free agents. They are NFL players who are without a NFL contract. These men are not "former players" until they send the NFL their retirement paperwork Thank You.GeneralGCuster (talk) 02:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

I removed "former" from the lead. The term is only used for people not looking for a job, not for unemployed.—Bagumba (talk) 03:32, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
I disagree strongly with this change. Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson have repeatedly stated their interests in playing in the NFL again recently, but are obviously "former" players at this point because there has not been any reported interest in them for years. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:36, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
According to this article published today, "retirement papers" no longer need to be filed by NFL players to initiate their pensions. The new process says "the player's pension rights are activated once a full year has elapsed since his last NFL employment." So Kaepernick has been collecting a pension eligible to start his pension process for being a former NFL player since March 3, 2018. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Pension rights are not the same as actually collecting a pension. According to this source, an NFL player won't collect until age 55, at the earliest. At any rate, dictionary defines retire as "to withdraw from one's position or occupation". That is not the same as being unemployed, and is independent of any pension designations. A woman who quits to deliver her baby who afterwards wants to return to the workforce, but has not been hired for years, is not "retired".—Bagumba (talk) 00:04, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I've never said the article should say he's retired, but if the NFL considers him a former player under the pension guidelines, then we should do the same. You can't be considered a current quarterback if you haven't snapped a ball from under center in a practice or game in almost three years, the same way the mother in your anecdote would not refer to herself as a bank teller if she hasn't worked as one in almost three years. There are hundreds of people who were employed by NFL teams who would like to keep playing despite not being under contract in the last three seasons, none of which receive as much media attention as this one in particular. They are all considered "former" players on their Wikipedia pages because we have no evidence that NFL teams have interest in ever signing them again. Let's pretend we changed Kaepernick's article to state he is a current quarterback who is a free agent. How long would he have to remain unsigned by any professional football league for us to change his status to "former quarterback"? Are you expecting him to eventually make a grand announcement that he has now finally decided to give up and move on? Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
What is our "magic timer" for unemployment on WP? 1 year? 2 years? Whatever it is, reset the time if a person says they are still looking to be in the workforce. We can only write about what we know, and not worry about the people that dont make the news about their current job status.—Bagumba (talk) 00:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
So Terrell Owens should be considered a current player after tweeting yesterday about coming back again? I think we should only reset that "timer" if a player generates tangible interest from a team (like a workout, reported interest, etc.) because the NFL isn't a workforce that looks for players out of the league longer than a year or two due to a plethora of young cheap players who just finished their minor league training. Eagles 24/7 (C) 01:44, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
We're not necessarily a slave to WP:ALLORNOTHING, but we do use WP:COMMONSENSE. In Kaepernick's case, he settled a collusion case with the NFL, is 31 years old, and says he still wants to play. I don't think it's neutral to bury him as "former" already.—Bagumba (talk) 04:47, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
He sued the NFL and hasn't played a snap for over two seasons. He's no longer an NFL quarterback. Display name 99 (talk) 15:15, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
WP:COMMONSENSE says he is highly unlikely to ever sign with an NFL team again after sitting out more than two full seasons, and he does not seem interested in playing for any other professional football league. I can't find examples of professional football players who sat out more than two seasons only to return, excluding the World War II era. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. I support readding "former." Display name 99 (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Bagumba-Colin Kaepernick has a free agent NFL official workout this Saturday, 11/12/2019. Your posts indicate you do not know much about the NFL. You cannot compare a near 46 year old ex player like Terrell Owens, who has long ago sent in his retirement papers, to a 32 year old player looking for a gig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeneralGCuster (talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
@Bagumba: If the planned workout for November 16 occurs, I would support altering the opening sentence to reflect his being a free agent and not a former player. As I stated above, this would be an actual event to support his status as an active player and would reset the "magic timer" for his unemployment on this article. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:36, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
The NFL blacklisted him, and they also seemingly dictate whether he is listed here as "former" or "free agent". The wait continues.—Bagumba (talk) 06:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
@GeneralGCuster: I wasn't the one who made the comparison, but you anyways should not make it WP:PERSONAL.—Bagumba (talk) 04:23, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Seems more than reasonable to now remove "former" given the demonstrated interest in returning to the NFL and reliable coverage of his NFL workout and attempted comeback. The wording also does not suggest that he is a current NFL player. — MarkH21 (talk) 07:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree with removing former, but why do we insist on having "is a free agent" for every former player who played in the NFL? Simply saying "Kaepernick is an American football player." is enough, as not including a team already implies he's a free agent and not currently a part of one. This would also help cases where a player's article say's he's a free agent but hasn't played pro football in 3+ years, because technically players from the 70s and 80s are still free agents, especially if they never officially signed retirement papers. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
@Dissident93: I agree with not needing to specify "free agent", but it also seems to be a defacto convention, along with the redundant "current". Doesn't apply here, but often players are still on waivers when they are shown incorrectly as FAs.—Bagumba (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
A "defacto convention" isn't an argument for it though, and we're supposed to be avoiding writing "current" anyway for WP:RECENTISM reasons. And a player on waivers only remain so for 24 hours, which is pretty irrelevant in the scale of things once they are either claimed (or not). I fail to see any other good reason to keep "is a free agent". ~ Dissident93 (talk) 02:23, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
My "defacto" comment was merely a matter-of-fact statement. Again, I dont think we need to list "free agent".—Bagumba (talk) 02:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2020

XFL 2020

In 2020, Colin Kapernick was offered to play both XFL and AAF, but Colin reportedly wanted a firm $20 million dollars from joining. Both organizations would then move on. https://sports.yahoo.com/report-colin-kaepernick-talked-joining-xfl-wanted-20-million-to-play-024413476.html Racingmonster (talk) 12:45, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

 Question: @Racingmonster: can you specify where you want the "XFL 2020" section to be located at? {{SUBST:replyto|Can I Log In}}Copy and paste the code to reply(Talk) 00:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

Minnesota Vikings G0blin83 (talk) 18:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020

Minnesota Vikings or black balked G0blin83 (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

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Disambiguation

"Mainstream white America is going to reconsider Kaepernick at some point — the way it reconsidered Muhammad Ali years after he refused to go to Vietnam, the way it reconsidered Jackie Robinson and Jack Johnson[disambiguation needed]."

I assume this is referring to Jack Johnson (boxer)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.109.4.101 (talk) 01:55, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020

I'm requesting that the Jack Johnson reference marked as "disambiguation needed" be resolved to Jack Johnson (boxer). Istantinople (talk) 15:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd protests

The information about the George Floyd protests and Kaepernick influencing certain aspects of them is absolutely worth mentioning in this article, but I do not believe it belongs in the lead of this article per WP:RECENTISM. Kaepernick is not mentioned anywhere in the George Floyd protests article, so it appears (at the moment) that his involvement in the Black Lives Matter movement is not a central part of the current protests. @Snooganssnoogans: thoughts? Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I get your view but I disagree. For an international audience and for long-term encyclopedic value, my view is that Kaepernick's kneeling protests are what's a central part of his notability. That Kaepernick's kneeling protests is widely mimicked in the George Floyd protests seems to be of clear long-term encyclopedic value given the scale, scope and intensity of the protests. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
The lead should probably be trimmed a bit. Is his filing a grievance and then settling it really important enough for the lead? The quote at the end of the GF protest paragraph is cruft-y. But, all of the mentions of Kap lately, the meme image of Kap kneeling next to the knee on the neck, the NFL's "apology", makes me think this likely does belong in the lead. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Agree that the POV quotes should be in the body and not the lead. Still mulling Floyd protests in lead, but should no doubt be in the body.—Bagumba (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Update: I've removed the quotes from the lead. They were already in the body.—Bagumba (talk) 09:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020

Coli chose to option to end contact and elect free agency. After his decision to pursue more money he was not signed. out of his contract to protected|Colin Kaepernick|answered=no}} 

104.49.39.52 (talk) 08:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Ravens Interest in Hiring Kaepernick

The Ravens were serious about hiring Kaepernick, as Greg Roman was his offensive coordinator during his Super Bowl year. Then Kaepernick's girlfriend sent a racist tweet about Ray Lewis and Steve Biscotti, and the Ravens decided to cancel his visit. [1] [2] [3][4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.91.225.235 (talk) 01:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Not sure what you're asking to add here. The verifiable portions of this request are already listed in the article under Lawsuit against the NFL and potential NFL future. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:44, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20597810/ray-lewis-said-baltimore-ravens-sign-colin-kaepernick-girlfriend-racist-tweet. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  2. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/06/colin-kaepernick-ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-nessa-diab-nfl. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  3. ^ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2725504-colin-kaepernicks-girlfriend-nessa-diab-tweets-django-comparison-at-ray-lewis. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  4. ^ https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/06/ravens-ray-lewis-colin-kaepernick-girlfirend-tweet. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

"Star Players Call For ‘Total NFL Shutdown’ Until Colin Kaepernick is Signed"

I'm not familiar with NewsPunch.com so would someone please opine on the reliability of this source? 98.33.89.17 (talk) 03:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Reliability of the source aside (I can't vouch for it), we usually don't rely on breaking news, especially those using unnamed sources. If reliable sources continue(d) talking about it, it might be worth mentioning it.—Bagumba (talk) 04:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Bagumba, the article is two years old and nobody participated in this "shutdown", so it's not worth mentioning at all. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 09:58, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
Dissident93, haha. I only skimmed and assumed it was related to recent BLM. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 10:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Add cross reference

For the understanding of people not familiar with the persons in charge at the NFL, the first mention of "Goodell" should be cross-referenced to Roger Goodell. In the current version of the page the first reference to Goodell is in the second sentence of the last paragraph of the Activism section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silfio (talk • contribs) 16:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Silfio:  Done Thank you! Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:34, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Kneeling photo

Is there no freely licensed photo of Kaepernick kneeling? It should at the very least be included via {{External media}}, or if possible, via a fair use rationale. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:18, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Honestly I think a photo of him kneeling would be best for the infobox, he's far more famous worldwide for his civil rights activism than just being an American football player.★Trekker (talk) 13:45, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
*Treker, the issue is getting a freely-licensed one.—Bagumba (talk) 03:04, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
@Bagumba: I went around yesterday and looked for any but sadly I could not find any, which suprised me. Unfortunate.★Trekker (talk) 13:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

isn't "former player" more factual?

I do understand that he's still theoretically a football player, given that he hasn't announced retiring.

but not playing since 2016, and having no team since then makes him effectively a "former" or at least "who last played for 49 in 2016"

PS. my idea is about factual precision here. not trying to frame him positively or negatively Jazi Zilber (talk) 13:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

It's akin to someone in a "regular" profession who is out of a job looking for work. I would not call someone a "former construction worker" if they're still looking for a job. He hasn't publicy retired from playing. He had an NFL workout at the end of 2019, and I think some editors have said give it a year before revisiting former.—Bagumba (talk) 13:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Abolition of police/ice cream

CK has called for the abolition of the police - not just defunding. I'm guessing it should go under the activism section somewhere. His Ben & Jerry's ice cream deal needs to be here too - "change the whirled". Sir Magnus has spoken! (So can you!) 21:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Curt Flood requested edit

It seems to me that a "See Also" link to Curt Flood is in order. Kaepernick/Flood Google search results — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C50:437F:551B:2137:3769:8303:98A6 (talk) 02:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Minor Edit in lawsuit section

It would appear that someone has erroneously spelled Steve Bisciotti's name at the second occurance in this section. That is, unless the delicious Italian biscuits were expressing opinions on CK's hiring. I am unable to edit this as I do not possess the relevant authority. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arghmyliver (talk • contribs) 18:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021

Heidi Russo is NOT of Italian Ancestry, this is incorrect and should be removed. She is of Irish and Bohemian ancestry. Cklifetruth (talk) 13:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Please make changes Cklifetruth (talk) 13:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 Done Removed. This edit [9] had no source added in for Italian descent. @DuskyMickey: where did you get the Italian ancestry information from? Also Cklifetruth do you have a source for Irsh/Bohemian? Going to leave just as white for now as we don't have more detailed heritage in a WP:RS. WikiVirusC(talk) 14:05, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Russo is an Italian surname, and also one of the most common ones (especially in the South). It clearly denotes Italian ancestry. DuskyMickey (talk) 12:18, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Bing search preview does not reflect article text

When I search "Colin Kaepernick" on Bing, the preview reads as follows:

"Colin Rand Kaepernick is an American black supremacist and football quarterback. He played six seasons for the San Francisco 49ers in the National Football League (NFL)."

This does not reflect the text of the article. I am unfamiliar with how this could happen, but wanted to bring it to the attention of Wikipedia editors of the page. Abdullah H. Mirza (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

It's not here, and looks fine on Google. I left a comment on Bing's "feedback" link.—Bagumba (talk) 11:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2021

Link "Kaepernick Publishing" to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaepernick_Publishing.

Add to "memoir" the following, "memoir, a children's book entitled I Color Myself Different" and Link to https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/17/colin-kaepernick-childrens-book-scholastic. Kgayle (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done. No news about the memoir in over a year, so I've taken that out. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 18:52, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2021

Hometown : Turlock California 68.186.58.251 (talk) 10:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:50, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2021

Kaepernick plans on publish

Should be: Kaepernick plans on publishing LemonSaffron (talk) 00:31, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 00:45, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2022

In kaepernicks career statistics , add the team record (W-L) column for the years he played. This is in line with every other quarterbacks stats on their wiki pages. 2600:8800:2442:E00:E80C:5A2E:5969:CF31 (talk) 07:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: While this is a good suggestions, edit requests made using this format need to be "change X to Y" and have reliable sources, so you'd need to include the exact numbers and a link to a reliable source confirming them.PianoDan (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@2600:8800:2442:E00:E80C:5A2E:5969:CF31: Done. This edit request shouldn't have been declined.--Rockchalk717 01:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Linking Kaepernick to the decline in viewership

Considering that this is a BLP it's important not to falsely characterized Kaepernick as the cause of the decline in viewership. The 8% number comes from ESPN quoting" data obtained by ESPN." but not giving the source of the data, and is similar to the drop did viewership in every presidential election year.

The JD Power survey had nothing to do with that. It was a survey of people who attended games. I repeat, it was a survey of people who actually attended games. They then were asked questions about their TV viewership. Of the people that attended games 10% said they watched fewer games on television, 60% said they watched the same and 30% said they watched more so for every fan who said they were watching less because of the protest there were 10 that were watching more football (30% of the 10% vs. 10% of the 100% because they weren't asked why they were watching more). Among the people who said they were watching less they were asked to choose from a list of reasons one of which had to do with protests. It was not people volunteering their reason. They did not ask that same question to the three times as many but said they were watching more or they may well have found that among people who actually go to games more people watched on TV because of the protest. The 30% that said it was because of protest chose one of the answers from a list of six questions. 18% said it was because of election coverage about the same amount said it was because of too much advertising, 25% said it was because of game delays. (i source this below)

Therefore I have removed the part of this page that directly connects the 8% figure that comes from ESPN to the j.d. power survey. Again, the j.d. powers survey was not a survey of TV viewers. It was a Fan Experience survey of people who went to games. Another fact of note is that the 8% figure is in line with what happens in every presidential election cycle. National elections are a factor in football viewership.

The New Amsterdam Journal is a less-than-stellar source and the LA Times article fails to mention that it was 30% of 10% of people who actually attended games that watched Less on TV. I think it better to delete the passage than to go into a lengthy explanation in the article about how misleading it is and how it gives a false impression about a living person.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/27/what-that-study-about-the-decline-in-football-viewership-actually-says/ Jackhammer111 (talk) 23:00, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2022

I want to change Collin kapernick where it says he plays for the Cleveland browns because he signed a contract Packers fan 69 (talk) 04:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2022

In Kaepernick's Personal Life edit the following: > Kaepernick reportedly started dating radio personality and television host Nessa Diab in July 2015,[156] and officially went public about their relationship in February 2016.[157] to read > Kaepernick reportedly started dating radio personality and television host Nessa Diab in July 2015,[156] and officially went public about their relationship in February 2016.[157] They welcomed their first child in August 2022. [158]

article about birth: https://www.thecut.com/2022/08/colin-kaepernick-nessa-diab-first-child-baby-announcement.html Photo of the Nessa, Colin, and baby on Nessa's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch0T17CO6MI/

The bio box also needs to have added: Partner(s) Nessa Diab (2015–present) Child(ren) 1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estellevw (talk • contribs) 02:23, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

I added the child to the personal life section, thanks for including the reference. The NFL biography infobox does not have parameters for partner or children. Schazjmd (talk) 14:56, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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