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Updated White Mexicans Metrics[edit]
I see you went ahead and combed through the recent publications we have on the data which is appreciative and great! However, why is the info box still displaying numbers that were completely made up and not backed by a single source? Analyticalreview (talk) 00:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Analyticalreview you complain about "completely made up numbers" yet after writing this you went to the article and did this [1], isn't that contradictory?. Pob3qu3 (talk) 22:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but are you able to even see the pie chart provided? They clearly state by their calculations (which are not official by any means), the Mestizo population is 62%, Amerindian 7%, and "Other" is 31%. If we are assuming everyone in the other category is "White" (which the article itself states not everyone in the "Other" category is in the White category)
- Here is the quote:
- Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for about three-fifths of the total—via a complex blending of ethnic traditions and perceived ancestry. Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”) are a significant component of the other ethnic groups who constitute the remainder of the population
- So if I was being extremely strict to what the source is explicitly stating we actually would not be able to even say it is 30% (it is in fact probably lower due to what all other sources state). Analyticalreview (talk) 23:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- My mistake here is the full quote:
- Mexico’s population is composed of many ethnic groups, including indigenous American Indians (Amerindians), who account for less than one-tenth of the total. Generally speaking, the mixture of indigenous and European peoples has produced the largest segment of the population today—mestizos, who account for about three-fifths of the total—via a complex blending of ethnic traditions and perceived ancestry. Mexicans of European heritage (“whites”) are a significant component of the other ethnic groups who constitute the remainder of the population.
- Here are the numbers the pie chart provides:
- 62% Mestizo
- 31% Other
- 7% Amerindian
- It is stated a "significant amount" of the Other percentage is indeed Mexicans of predominate European ancestry but it's definitely not all of them which they make clear. We also have Afro-Mexicans (which according to official government publications make up around 2% of the population), Asian-Mexicans, etc. Analyticalreview (talk) 23:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see such chart on the ref used in the article, I see a picture of a church though. There may be a misunderstanding here, as the chart you mention does appear in the "Kids Brittanica" site and is dated as being from 2012, but rather than argue wheter this has to be threated as a different source or wheter it is outdated now or not I want to use your sudden openess to accept much higher percentages of White Mexicans as an oportunity to ask you: do you agree now that sources such as the World Factbook who report percentages as low as 9% (or your edits from last month to the article [2][3]) are completely disconnected of reality?. Pob3qu3 (talk) 00:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, the 10% figure is the most accurate one. Mexico never had anywhere near the post independence European migration that the USA or South America had. The 40% figure is the one completely disconnected from reality. Also, here is the most recent Britannica article on Mexico which states:
- "More than three-fifths of Mexico’s people are mestizos, about one-fifth are American Indians, and the bulk of the rest are of European ancestry."
- This would have the figure much closer to 20%, not 40% like you pulled out of thin air.
- The final compromise I am willing to make is a range from 10%-30% which is being more than generous enough. Analyticalreview (talk) 01:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- What your last reply proves is that Brittanica does not update uniformly, with no mention that their entry focused ethnic groups alone should take precedence over other entries for the country (that one is also the most recently updated), I don't get why you say that the 40% figure was materialized of thin air when you cited that Brittanica entry yourself[4], you shouldn't ignore Mexico's government surveys whose results range from 29% (similar to Kids Brittanica) to 49% either. Pob3qu3 (talk) 01:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Read the updated intro done by @EvergreenFir themselves. Let me clarify, they wrote this, not me.
- "The government releases data on the percentage of "light-skinned Mexicans" in the country, with 12.5% of Mexican people surveyed choosing the three lightest shades in 2017. Using the same skin tone categories, a 2022 survey found that 10.2% chose the three lightest shades."
- So no, the lower end of the range by Mexican government surveys is actually 10.2%, not 29%. Analyticalreview (talk) 01:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Evergreenfir acknowledges on her diff that the standard of the government is H-K and that wrote it that way for comparative purposes[5], she also restored the 40% figure recently[6]. Furthermore the talk page of another editor is not the proper place to discuss on this kind of manner, even if that editor is an administrator, I'll see you in the talk page of White Mexicans[7] where I've been waiting for you for more than one month now as you seem to have come full circle with your arguments again. Pob3qu3 (talk) 03:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- What your last reply proves is that Brittanica does not update uniformly, with no mention that their entry focused ethnic groups alone should take precedence over other entries for the country (that one is also the most recently updated), I don't get why you say that the 40% figure was materialized of thin air when you cited that Brittanica entry yourself[4], you shouldn't ignore Mexico's government surveys whose results range from 29% (similar to Kids Brittanica) to 49% either. Pob3qu3 (talk) 01:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see such chart on the ref used in the article, I see a picture of a church though. There may be a misunderstanding here, as the chart you mention does appear in the "Kids Brittanica" site and is dated as being from 2012, but rather than argue wheter this has to be threated as a different source or wheter it is outdated now or not I want to use your sudden openess to accept much higher percentages of White Mexicans as an oportunity to ask you: do you agree now that sources such as the World Factbook who report percentages as low as 9% (or your edits from last month to the article [2][3]) are completely disconnected of reality?. Pob3qu3 (talk) 00:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Have a look[edit]
It is regarding this article. The IP range changed/removed sourced content immediately after the protection (set by you) expired. Please take a look. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)