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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by SchroCat 18:20, 15 September 2014 [1].

List of English Heritage properties in Somerset[edit]

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Nominator(s): — Rod talk 09:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is a well illustrated, referenced and comprehensive list of the properties of English Heritage in the English county of Somerset. The format is based on the recently promoted List of National Trust properties in Somerset. — Rod talk 09:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note - Nominator will have no internet access from 29 July to 10 Aug.— Rod talk 19:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from PresN 22:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
:*The below comments are the regular review, but I'm now strong opposing. I thought some of the phrases were phrased oddly, so I googled them, and found that you lifted them verbatim off of http://www.photographers-resource.co.uk - for example, Muchelney Abbey has the exact phrase "with well-preserved architectural features including external stonework and inside a great chamber with ornate fireplace, carved settle and stained glass, and timber roof", as you do in this list. That site's page was last update in 2011, while you wrote this list in June. That site says their text is copyright CC-by-nc-nd, which means to use it you have to attribute it to the site, you can't change anything, and you can't use it for commercial purposes- none of which are true here. As it stands, it looks like a good chunk of this list is a copyright violation. --PresN 19:27, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will look at the specific comments below asap but I strongly refute the acusation of plagiarism. I have never looked at the photographers resource. I used the text in the wp articles (most of which I'd written or added to) The specific text about Muchelney Abbey was added to the wp article in 2006 (diff) - they took it from wp rather than the other way around.— Rod talk 19:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I apologize profusely for posting before looking deeper and for accusing you of plagiarism; you are correct that it was only that WP article prior to that site existing. --PresN 19:40, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Conflict: I actually strong opposed this as a copyvio due to some phrases being lifted from [www.photographers-resource.co.uk], but it appears that the phrase I looked for you had written almost 6 years ago in Muchelney Abbey itself. You should probably note on the talk page of the list that that site is copying WP phrases without attribution, and maybe let them know that that's not actually allowed, since they're claiming it as their own. The phrase I looked for was "and inside a great chamber with ornate fireplace, carved settle and stained glass, and timber roof"- if you google that the photographers-resource page for the abbey is one of the first hits.

OK apology accepted. I can certainly add the "copied-multi" template saying that some of the text in the descriptions is taken from the various wp articles, but I have seen other similar lists which use text (often from the lead) of the articles clearly linked to in the list and this has been accepted as sufficient attribution.— Rod talk 19:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's fine, I meant something that notes that photographers-resource had copied text from WP, and the list had not copied from them. It's fine if you don't want to. --PresN 20:05, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the copied template (still a slight problem with formatting). This discussion will be linked from the talk page so people can see it, however just about every wp page has been copied by another (often many) web sites, so I'm not sure a special note is needed - but if you'd like to add it fine by me.— Rod talk 20:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "to the most recent Sir Bevil Grenville's Monument" - unless there were prior Sir Bevil Grenville's Monuments, the name should be set off by commas
  • Commas added.— Rod talk 20:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • You capitalize Scheduled Monuments at the end of paragraph 3, but didn't a few sentences prior in the paragraph when you linked the term
  • I've made monument lower case but I would welcome advice as it could be considered a "special term" as the official name of these sites.— Rod talk 20:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "on the edge of the village possibly in 1825, however a drawing" - either replace however with "though" or make it "; however,"
  • Changed to though.— Rod talk 20:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "two phases: the inner court was constructed between 1377 and 1383 by Sir Thomas Hungerford" - and... what was the second phase? If you're not trying to list the phases, replace the colon with a semicolon.
  • I've removed the "two phases". There was an original manor house before the castle but there were in fact several stages of construction and change so this is just confusing the issue.— Rod talk 20:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in 1642, the castle, was held by Sir Edward Hungerford" - drop the comma after castle.
  • "In the 1915" - no the
  • "and timber roof" - "a" timber roof
  • "On his execution in 1552 it reverted to The Crown" - no need to capitalize the the
  • "It is an example of the Severn-Cotswold tomb" - of "a" Severn-Cotswold tomb
  • "The barrow is about 30 metres (98 ft) in length... at the south-east end, it stands nearly 3 metres (10 ft) high" - semicolon before it instead of a comma
  • "The Tribunal in Glastonbury, was built" - no comma
  • "Around 1600 George Luttrell, of the Luttrell family constructed" - no comma
  • The Abbot's Fish House, Meare is sorting under "The" when you sort the name column; fix it by replacing the name with {{sort|Abbot's Fish House, Meare|The Abbot's Fish House, Meare}}
  • Thanks for the advice here - I think it has worked.— Rod talk 20:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • c. 1590 for Yarn Market isn't sorting correctly when you sort on Constructed, unlike the other circas
  • Hopefully sorted.— Rod talk 20:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider archiving your online references via a site like archive.org or webcitation.org so that changes/removals of content in the future don't affect your citations
--PresN 19:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all your comments which have definately helped to improve the article. If there are other issues please let me know.— Rod talk 21:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support --PresN 22:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "It has a broad remit of managing the historic environment of England and advises the relevant Secretary of State on policy and in individual cases such as registering listed buildings and scheduled ancient monuments. " This sentence seems to get lost in the middle. Presumably EH advises on policy and acts executively on listing, but this is not clear.
  • EH advises both on policy and individual cases. It has no power to list buildings it is the secretary of state that does this (although EH advises and then records the decision). I've added "both" is this clearer?— Rod talk 21:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cleeve - could conventual be linked?
  • I'm not sure what to link it to. Have changed to ancillary buildings - as these were accommodation and refectory buildings etc.— Rod talk 21:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dunster. "The base and shaft which probably date from the 15th century remain, however the head of the cross has been lost." This does not sound grammatically correct to me - maybe change "however" to "but" (or semi-colon after "remain"). I would also put a comma after shaft and century.
  • Changed to "but" and commas added.— Rod talk 21:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Farleigh. I suggest linking anthropomorphic
  • "The Gallox Bridge in Dunster dates from the 15th century. In the 14th century it was known as Doddebrigge." Known before it existed?
  • The site with a previous crossing was known... Changed - is this better?— Rod talk 21:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stanton Drew. A bit curious to say the Cove is 1000 years older than the circles without giving the age of either. I think this is vital information.
  • This report p. 63 says "The three stone circles at Stanton Drew are thought to have been constructed during the Late Neolithic to Early Bronze Age between 3000 and 2000 BC."
  • Thanks. Although I'd included that report I'd not spotted that date. Now added.— Rod talk 07:16, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stoney Littleton. As above. Presumably the bones have been carbon dated?
  • The Tribunal. "Iron Age possessions" I think artefacts would be a better word.
  • Yarn. "It is in the guardianship of English Heritage but is managed by the National Trust." I am not sure what guardianship means here. Does EH own it?
  • I think the nation owns it & I am also unsure exactly what the relationship between EH and NT is.— Rod talk 21:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – A most impressive piece of work. The layout, the map and the images are a pleasure to look at, and the prose in the lead and the table is equally pleasing. One tiny quibble: in the refs to printed books the location of the publisher is sometimes given and sometimes not – e.g. refs 51 and 52. I think this should be tidied up before the page is promoted, as it certainly deserves to be, IMO. – Tim riley talk 16:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks - I've removed a couple of "place of publication" for consistency. In the case of Ref 52 "Nempnett Books" is the name of the publisher.— Rod talk 17:24, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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