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Administrators' newsletter – February 2024

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Disambiguation link notification for February 3

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"Conservatism (diving)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Conservatism (diving) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 4 § Conservatism (diving) until a consensus is reached. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Sarah kapopo on PayPal (11:45, 7 February 2024)

Hi how are you --Sarah kapopo (talk) 11:45, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I am fine, is there a question relevant to Wikipedia that I can help you with? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:43, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from BANEN24 (14:12, 7 February 2024)

Hello, please review a bit to all of my contributions. --BANEN24 (talk) 14:12, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi BANEN24, I took a brief look at the pages you have created, but I am unable to read most of your references. It would appear that various others have already tagged the pages for some problems, and it would be good for you to concentrate your efforts on resolving those issues. After that, it would be good to expand the pages as they provide very little information on their topics. We are sure to have other editors more capable of reviewing your articles by virtue of being able to read the sources. Perhaps a visit to the WP:Teahouse will find someone, or QEDK may have some suggestions. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:27, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

IAbot

Hi, I saw you use the IAbot interface and are an admin, so I hope you can help. The domain http://www.iranica.com/ is tagged in IAbot as permalive (for reasons I don't fully understand), although it is dead and usurpated. Could you please change it to permadead? I tried to do so but I lack admin permissions. Broc (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Broc, I agree that the domain ha been usurped, but I do not do that kind of work. I suggest you ask at WP:Village pump (technical), Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 14:13, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
No worries. I asked there, thanks :) Broc (talk) 14:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Techlover1593 (17:16, 11 February 2024)

Subject: Request for Guidance on Enhancing Notability References for Thomas Truong's Wikipedia Submission

Dear Mentor,

I hope this message finds you well. I am seeking your expertise and advice regarding a Wikipedia submission I have prepared on Thomas Truong, a French engineer and entrepreneur notable for his contributions to AI and accessibility, particularly through the development of VocalSign. Despite providing references to his recognition as an MIT Innovator Under 35 and a televised interview on BFM Business, the submission was declined due to insufficient demonstration of notability through significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources.

Given your experience, could you kindly guide me on how to better identify and incorporate additional references that meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for individuals? Specifically, any advice on sourcing and documenting significant coverage beyond brief mentions would be invaluable. My aim is to ensure that the submission accurately reflects Thomas Truong's contributions and adheres to Wikipedia's standards.

Thank you for considering my request. I look forward to your guidance.

Best regards, X --Techlover1593 (talk) 17:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

When requesting comment on a specific article, it is necessary to provide a link to the article so that it can be opened and read. In this case the point is moot, as contributions by people blocked as sockpuppets tend to be deleted on principle. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
You should read the instructions for WP:Notability, WP:Biographies of living persons, and WP:Conflict of interest. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Admin request

Hi would you be able offer some advice on how to proceed on this talk page comment? Almost 6 months ago I engaged with the issue on whether to describe David Lammy as British, English or both. Made several attempts to explain and engage, disagreements continued so I disengaged and came back. The disagreements continue with the same users and despite providing 18 (I believe) sources to help, I am met with comments that imply I am motivated by discrimination. My offer of compromise has been rejected and personal attacks are starting. I would very much appreciate advice on what I can do, is there a way you can have a look? I started a dispute resolution but unfortunately there is no engagement with the substance of the sources and argument. I am lost. Erzan (talk) 10:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

About the FA nomination of cataract surgery

Hello! Thank you for letting me know about this, I'm glad of your achievement! : ) Oltrepier (talk) 11:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Oltrepier You may find it interesting to take part in the FA discussions if you have not been involved in one before, or at least observe the process. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 11:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
@Pbsouthwood I'll definitely try to do it if I'll have enough time, thank you! Oltrepier (talk) 12:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Quintus rex on User:Diablo666Daemon666 (04:38, 17 February 2024)

Would Jehovah’s witnesses be christian? --Quintus rex (talk) 04:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Try reading the article Jehovah's Witnesses, the information should be there. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 08:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Index of underwater divers for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Index of underwater divers is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Index of underwater divers until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

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March 2024 GAN backlog drive

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Question from R.Nico528 on Graphene (21:13, 22 February 2024)

Hello and good day. What is the proper method to correct transposed words on the format? --R.Nico528 (talk) 21:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

R.Nico528 I need more information to be sure I understand your question. Perhaps you could give an example of the specific problem?
If it is a small number, it may be easiest to simply manually edit. If there are many, a find and replace may be the way to go. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 03:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Miklusha Quoffie (22:13, 24 February 2024)

Hello! I wish to create my biography --Miklusha Quoffie (talk) 22:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Miklusha Quoffie, Please read Wikipedia:Autobiography. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 18:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kikidoll13 (21:19, 26 February 2024)

How do we report an editor for misconduct? --Kikidoll13 (talk) 21:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Kikidoll13, It would depend to some extent on the type of misconduct. The information page Wikipedia:Noticeboards explains some of the recommended venues. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 04:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2024

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Question from Emmanuele Béthery EN (18:59, 3 March 2024)

Hello Pbsouthwood, I drafted a new artcile that was rejected early February. I edited the drafted following the feedback, and now would like to re-submit. I can not find how to re-submit. Where can I do that? Thank you. --Emmanuele Béthery EN (talk) 18:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Emmanuele Béthery EN, If you are referring to Maurice Pellosh, it has already been moved to main space, and a notice to this effect is on your talk page. If you are referring to another draft, please link to it so I know what you are talking about. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Bigjoe Rio (19:57, 7 March 2024)

Just to say hello, bud. --Bigjoe Rio (talk) 19:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Bigjoe Rio, Welcome to Wikipedia. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 01:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Missing edit summaries

I see that you mostly dont use edit summaries- but you should ! Wuerzele (talk) 17:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wuerzele, Last time I looked, edit summaries were not compulsory except for a few special circumstances where they are necessary for attribution. I am very careful to ensure that I use the required edit summaries in those cases. When I make any edit that seems likely to be confusing or controversial, I try to ensure that I leave an edit summary to explain my actions. When it will be obvious to the reader by simply examining the edit, I often do not bother, as my time can be better spent on more edits. When I can't remember all that I have done in an edit I prefer to not mislead anyone by making a misleading summary, which in my opinion is far worse than none at all. You are free to entertain different opinions, and you are free to request an explanation from me for any edit which you do not understand. If I consider the request reasonable I will try to explain sufficiently for the needs of a reasonable person. Like almost everyone else here, I am a volunteer, and I use my time how it seems worthwhile to me. Trivial edit summaries do not make the cut. Is there any specific circumstance in which you claim my lack of edit summary has caused a problem? Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:43, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
In these 50 edits over 3 days for example. Like almost everyone else here, I too am a volunteer and I dont have time to look up each edit but if I see red and red I wonder what did you do? I too use my time how it seems worthwhile to me and I find not using edit summaries makes review difficult- it doesnt enable it. I think you should provide an edit summary.--Wuerzele (talk) 20:37, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Wuerzele, I do not understand your reference to seeing red, so may be missing something of importance in your argument. If you don't have time to look up each edit, how do you know what the edit was? There is no way that I am aware of to know whether the edit summary was accurate without inspecting the edit. I have seen many inaccurate edit summaries, so do not assume they are accurate unless I am familiar with the editor's work and trust them, at which point the edit summary is usually redundant.
Do you have objective evidence that the time you would save by me making edit summaries would improve the encyclopedia more than the time I save not making edit summaries and therefore spend on improving the encyclopedia? I am unaware of any study which claims that conclusion, but would be interested to see one.
Your example is a case of where I would consider it fairly obvious from inspection what I was doing. I was expanding/updating a list. I do not know what further information you would find necessary or desirable in the 46 edit summaries that would have covered those edits.
At this point I am seeing a claim that you think your work and time is more important than mine, but no evidence to support that claim. Why should I take it seriously? I think I should provide edit summaries when it seems a worthwhile investment of my time, which includes those cases where it is specifically required, and where it will make it clear why I am making a specific edit where it might me considered controversial, as in removal of content without an obvious reason, or reverting someone else's edit. I will also usually mention when copy editing or clarifying a point.
If you want everyone to provide an edit summary with every edit, your recourse is to get policy changed by running a site-wide RfC, but I think that has been tried before without success. I think it would be a huge waste of everyone's time, but it is the only way to make it obligatory. If you try that, I recommend first collecting some convincing evidence that it would be a net gain.
If you just want to get people to make edit summaries without making them compulsory, try providing convincing objective third party evidence that it is worth their trouble. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 03:45, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
Red is deleting, and as for the rest of your verbose above: I merely repeated your wording. (Now you see what it sounds like) Interesting, that you think I insinuate my time is more worthwhile. Then you d have to interpret the same in to the sentence you wrote to me.
Wuerzele, Thank you for clarifying. Yes, to me my time is more important, and it would be entirely reasonable for you to consider your time more important to you, but I am not telling you what you should do with your time, except in the context of you attempting to persuade me to do a thing I am not required to do, where I am suggesting that you do not waste it. Cheers · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 18:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Please provide edit summaries.

Edit summaries are a collaboration tool, and Wikipedia is a collaborative environment where we all work together. It helps the team (all of us) understand what each other are doing, which facilitates better and faster quality control, and serves as an educational tool for experienced editors to train new editors which helps overcome the problems caused by Wikipedia's high editor turnover rate. Thus, edit summaries leverage the team's time.

Use of edit summaries also helps increase transparency, which builds trust, not just of individual editors, but of the entire project.

Due to its role in working with others, using edit summaries is a show of respect for them – from a sociological standpoint, that may be the most compelling reason of all to provide them.

Personally, I find edit summaries invaluable for 2 reasons: 1) they provide a shield from knee-jerk reversion by justifying edits, and 2) for reviewing my own work, to aid memory of what I did years ago, relieving me of having to go in deeper to figure it out.

Weighing the costs and benefits, while skipping the provision of edit summaries may seem to save time on the individual level, their value lies in the aggregate -- the more editors who summarize their edits, the more useful they become: swaths of edits with blank edit summaries have become a red flag that assist experienced editors in homing in on problems and problem editors. When competent editors don't use them, it creates an ambiguity that makes the work of Wikipedia's watchdogs more difficult. We truly appreciate when editors summarize their work.

One way to reduce the tedium of providing an edit summary for each and every edit during an edit session on an article, is to write an opening edit summary for the session ("begin general edit session") and then at the end of the edit session, provide a summary of what you tried to accomplish during the session.

Edit summaries get easier the more practice you get. Once they become habit, they don't feel like a burden at all.

I hope these observations and tips help change your mind about providing edit summaries.

Cheers,    — The Transhumanist   01:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
The Transhumanist, I will think about your suggestions. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from Mw6630! on Talk:Technical Service Bulletin (11:56, 29 March 2024)

Good morning, I'm marcus, I'm having issue with my 2016 587 peterbilt truck abs system...I've replace the abs sensor multiple times ,went to many shops, but issue persist..it's giving fault code 22 an flashing my service light, every now an then I could do an key switch clear code an I'm fine for the day, but once I crank up again the problems back.. --Mw6630! (talk) 11:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mw6630!, Sorry, this is Wikipedia, an encyclopedia, not a service manual, and I am not a truck technician, so cannot help you. I suggest you contact your local agent or the manufacturer. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:18, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Question from RJClark1447 (12:12, 29 March 2024)

I have created an article in my sandbox and now want to submit it for review. How do I do that? --RJClark1447 (talk) 12:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi RJClatk1447, the page User:RJClark1447/sandbox, to which I assume you refer, needs references to show that it is a notable topic, and references to allow verification of the content by the reviewer and any other reader before it should be submitted for review. In its present state it is nor ready for Wikipedia article space. I recommend that you read Help:Your first article, Wikipedia:Notability, and Wikipedia:Verifiability to get a better idea of how things are done here, and revise your draft accordingly. When you are confident that the draft complies with Wikipedia's requirements, you can add the template {{AfC submission}} to the draft, which will tag it as ready for review, and one of the new page reviewers will review it, possibly leave comments on required or recommended improvements, accept or reject the submission, and leave you a message. Hope this helps, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 12:52, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2024

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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

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New Page Review queue January to March 2024

Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.

Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.

Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!

2023 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.

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Question from Supersmashbros2 on User talk:Supersmashbros2 (13:25, 5 April 2024)

hello and good morning one of my music file does not work --Supersmashbros2 (talk) 13:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

What file is that? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Supersmashbros2 on File:Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky.ogg (13:51, 5 April 2024)

hello this page does not work https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Norman_Greenbaum_-_Spirit_in_the_Sky.ogg&action=edit --Supersmashbros2 (talk) 13:51, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The file has been deleted, please take it up with the administrator who deleted it. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Meenu100101 (14:38, 5 April 2024)

Hello how can i see my mails --Meenu100101 (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

What mails are you referring to? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 17:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from ILikeMath1267 (22:20, 9 April 2024)

Hi, Pbsouthwood! I would like to ask: How do you create those drop-down things like the "Lists of stuff" section on your user page? --ILikeMath1267 (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi ILikeMath1267, There is information at Help:Collapsing that should help you with collapsible tables of that type. There are also other ways of making content collapse. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 02:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I recently added an excerpt to an article about infrared dark clouds while using a source that is non free content. Later, I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t plagiarizing and that I was using the source fairly and correctly, but the info that I found on Wikipedia about non-free content was a little bit wishy-washy for me and I’m unsure if the amount of information that I got from the non-free content is fairly used or not. Is there some kind of word limit for unquoted info from non-free content or do I just have to use my good judgement? What if I’m unsure about an edit I made, is there any way I can mark it so that other editors are aware that there might be an issue? Thank you very much, TableChairFloor --TableChairFloor (talk) 16:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi TableChairFloor, without looking at the actual content and the source, I cannot be sure or give a definitive answer. We are required to rewrite information taken from non-free sources in our own words as far as reasonably practicable, while retaining the meaning of the original. Some sharing of terminology between the source and the Wikipedia content may be necessary, as there is a limit to the number of ways a thing can be said and still convey the same meaning, though there is often dispute on where the limits are. Some wikipedians are more concerned about the meaning being preserved and others are more fussy about avoiding the use of similar expressions, even when they are standard in the field and may insist on considerable inefficient circumlocution as a matter of principle. If an excerpt is directly quoted, it must be identified in line, before or after the quote, as a quote, and attributed to the source and author, and must be faithful to the source. Lengthy quotes are deprecated unless specifically useful to understanding the point. I hope this helps, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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Question from Ricch Raphna (03:59, 19 April 2024)

Hello How do I create my own article as an artist --Ricch Raphna (talk) 03:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ricch Raphna, the short answer is, you don't do that. Neither as an encyclopedia page, nor as a user page. Please read Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:User pages for details on some of the relevant policies on English Wikipedia. If you are indeed eligible for an article, someone else will write it. The patrollers take these policies seriously, and will delete any contravention. Repeated contravention will usually get a person blocked indefinitely, so not worth taking a chance, as it might make it more difficult for a third party to create a legitimate article. You may request an article at Wikipedia:Requested articles Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Ogoudedji bonaventure on Host (network) (13:11, 19 April 2024)

Hello what be meant of this qij88.com Playford --Ogoudedji bonaventure (talk) 13:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ogoudedji bonaventure, I have no idea what you are asking, would you like to try again? Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 15:15, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Move request

Please move List of opera topics to Outline of opera (over the redirect, per WP:G6). Disclosure follows...

Back in 2006, I (User:Nexus Seven at the time) created this page as "List of basic opera topics", part of an entire set of predecessors to outlines named in the form "List of basic x topics".

The whole department of basic topics lists ran into a funny problem: the naming convention wasn't compatible with the nature of wikis. There was no way to confine the lists to basic topics, as we were up against the uncontrollable urge of wiki editors to edit. Continuously monitoring the lists and whittling them back down to basic was impossible. Wikipedians just kept adding more and more, and the lists started to become comprehensive. There were some other lists named "List of x topics", but the basic lists grew larger than most of those, because the basic lists had a WikiProject devoted to them, which attracted more editors.

"Basic" no longer applied. It was embarrassing.

So, a new name had to be found for these structured lists. Attempts to agree on one failed at the village pump. It wasn't as simple as removing the word "basic", because of the existence of alphabetical lists already having a large portion of the resultant titles. And so eventually, I just renamed the whole set to the form "Topical outline of x".

Hardly anybody noticed, but the name didn't go over well with the opera folks, who interpreted "topical" as "applied to one's skin". I explained the problem with the word "basic", and the editors of the page at that time settled on "List of opera topics".

Not long after that, I changed the entire "Topical outline of x" set, which numbered around 200 or so pages, to "Outline of x", leaving opera alone, and it stuck.

The primary objectors to the word "Topical" back then are no longer around, and...

The phrase "Outline of" has since become the standard naming convention for outlines, has been the standard for over a decade and a half, and is no longer controversial. It is now used on over 800 pages.

I doubt anyone will object to the move to "Outline of", because it is the current standard. But, if someone does, the page can easily be moved back.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   09:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

P.S.: Lists of x topics don't have their own wikiproject, because the structured ones fall under the scope of WikiProject Outlines, while the alphabetical ones fall under the scope of WikiProject Indexes. —TT.

Hi TT, I have looked at the archived talk page discussions, and I think there could well be objections to an undiscussed move. I agree that Outline of opera would be a good alternative, but the current title is not unreasonable. I also see that there were previous disputes about annotations and the necessity for referencing them, which could be avoided by using {{annotated link}} where the short descriptions are suitable, bit that would require quite a major reformatting of the article. Suitable annotations would be a definite improvement. I suggest a talk page proposal is the correct route in this case. I would support the rename in the absence of persuasive reasoning to the contrary. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the analysis; I'll have a closer look at the annotations. I've posted a rename proposal per your suggestion. My request still stands, so please, refrain from participating in the proposal discussion, so that you can do the close/move after the requisite waiting period without conflict of interest. It would also avoid the appearance of canvassing for your support in the discussion. Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   23:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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