User talk:Mashaunix/Archive 3

This archive contains discussions from 2016.

GWAR?

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ten_Stories&curid=35485868&diff=698802781&oldid=666805078
• WP:GWAR

Explain edits. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:51, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I suppose you could call me that; there's no sources for either revision. Feel free to revert me.--MASHAUNIX 10:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Enter Shikari

Thanks! Prosewriting on Wikipedia was never my strong suit and you're doing a wonderful job of correcting my edits. Keep it up! dannymusiceditor ^{~talk to me!~} 15:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, if you ever disagree with anything I do, feel completely free to question or revert it. I appreciate feedback!--MASHAUNIX 11:35, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Band's own bandcamp page an "unreliable source"

Hello, I come in peace, just curious about the edit you made to The Anaesthete. I was surprised by your edit, but I removed the now citation-less genres on the presumption that you did this in good faith.

Is there some precedent you can link me to for considering bands' own bandcamp pages (especially for self-released material) as unreliable? What Wikipedia guidelines would disagree with referencing any band's "official" online presence where they make statements about or describe their own style? Just to be clear, I'm no stranger to WP:RELIABLE, WP:VERIFY, and even WP:COI -- just hope you can point me at the specifics I might be forgetting or not seeing the connection to.

I mean, if I were to think about this being cited in prose, I'm pretty sure it'd be completely permissable under the guidelines to say "the band listed the genres of this album on their self-released Bandcamp album page as X, Y and Z.".

Have a nice day! - Phorque (talk) 14:50, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I think I just always assumed that only reviewers' and academics' description of music styles were considered appropriate sources, whereas artists' self-description were not because of their possible bias and lack of theoretical authority ("we're not a nu metal band because nu metal sucks" / "I wouldn't call us sludge metal because I don't know what that's supposed to mean"). I don't have this backed from any guideline, it's just something that has made sense to me and that I've never seen contradicted until now. Thanks for brining this to my attention; restore the genres if you wish.--MASHAUNIX 18:27, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Music genres

There's nothing more boring than getting overly stuck into genres or genre descriptions, let alone edit-warring over them, I really don't see the point of this edit. I explained the reason for what I did – as I say, the full term sounds dated and is not what most contemporary publications would use – and your argument that WP "makes no difference" in a substantive sense between the terms is as much a justification for leaving it with the shorter-form as it is for your reverting to the longer form yet again. The other problem with the full "heavy metal" label is that someone will come past and go, "No, black metal" and then we're into an even more boring debate and edit war. And, what a surprise, that is exactly what has happened (again, for the second time). N-HH talk/edits 11:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

I understand your point. The thing is, I like consistency, and it seems wrong to me (and confusing to readers) to use the terms "metal" and "heavy metal" as if they meant two different things when we only have one definition for both. That's why I've made it a habit to always apply the full form on first instance (same goes for "hardcore" and "hardcore punk", "punk" and "punk rock" etc.) In this case, a note could be left asking editors to not change the genre to black metal. I would also not be opposed to changing the genre to just rock, since Deafheaven's style is rooted as much in shoegazing (an alternative rock subgenre unrelated to metal) as it is in metal.--MASHAUNIX 17:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree about consistency in principle, but I think there's a valid reason for very minor divergence sometimes, especially if the context justifies it. I also agree the even broader description "rock" might be better – I generally prefer broader descriptions in opening sentences rather than using esoteric, purported sub-genre terminology, and it makes even more sense for bands with eclectic influences like this one – but I think they're probably [heavy] metal enough to warrant that slightly more precise term (and they are usually discussed under that heading in most music publications). As for leaving a note, my experience is that they're routinely ignored by most people, especially drive-by IP editors. Oh, and apologies for posting here about this rather than on the article talk page – I just didn't want to kick off a lengthy genre debate there. N-HH talk/edits 09:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, no worries; in this case, leaving just "metal" to avoid warring sounds good to me.--MASHAUNIX 22:09, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Melodic hardcore

Hi, no worries about the edits, the citations you found were great as they included and thanks for including and rewording some of my info. Who would you say your top melodic hardcore bands are? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigdoza91 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Modern Life Is War and Comeback Kid are great, and I like Defeater and Touche Amore even though those bands are more post-hardcore.--MASHAUNIX 20:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

List of British colonies listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of British colonies. Since you had some involvement with the List of British colonies redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 15:24, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

"Atmospheric" black metal

I'm not getting into an edit war. Please see my comment on the talk page. No evidence has been provided that "atmospheric" black metal is a real sub-genre. What you need is an actual article *discussing the sub-genre*. There are plenty available for all the other sub-genres, but apparently not this one. The use of the adjective "atmospheric" is no more indicative of a genre than "melodic", "extreme", "controversial" etc. etc. Regarding sources, webzines are of no use to anyone unless their content has been published separately elsewhere by in independent, third-party source (they fail WP:RS). Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:24, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've already answered on the talk page.--MASHAUNIX 17:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

You're a funny guy.

I like you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.36.92.50 (talk) 00:25, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Good.--MASHAUNIX 21:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

djent

Why did you remove the Takenawa Intrigue ? They had a real article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaziqta (talk • contribs) 13:44, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Because they do not have an article (Takenawa Intrigue: redlink).--MASHAUNIX 19:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Global woble?

Hi, Mashaunix. You created the following four redirects a while ago: Global wobal, Global Wobal, Global Woble, Global woble. I assume this were in made regarding claims that the global temperature rise was due to "wobble" of the earth's axis but I'm not sure. If so, perhaps Nutation is a better target for these redirects. Jason Quinn (talk) 08:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't remember why I made these and honestly they make no sense to me at all, so feel free to have them deleted.--MASHAUNIX 21:26, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh come on

It's not really an issue like what Mudvayne or Deftones has, is it? There aren't an unreasonable number of uncited genres for C!NCC!. Why not list them all. I think four genres fit there fine, I don't usually see more than that. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 13:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

To be honest, I think CNCC has nothing to do with post-hardcore, and I would like to see a different source, perhaps from a better established site than Bring the Noise, call them that before it is included in the article.--MASHAUNIX 14:10, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I guess that's alright. Personally, I thought pop punk and metalcore made a whole new variety of post-hardcore, but if you don't think so, you can challenge that cause of weak sources. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Metacritic

@Mashaunix: I saw your posts on Dan's page about including the Metacritic score in the review box. I think it's entirely unfair that he is reverting these edits. Have you had any more discussion with anybody else regarding this? --Jennica^Talk 02:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

No but I didn't really care to; I agree that so long as the score is mentioned in the text, it isn't really necessary to also include it in the table (or vice-versa), and he did shed light on some limitations to using Metacritic as a guide that I wasn't aware of. Still, I would say that he overstates the disadvantages of including the score both ways (I don't think it makes much of a difference in terms of overemphasizing the source if it is already included one way or another), so if you wish to push the case further, I'll back you up.--MASHAUNIX 12:22, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

sXe

Just as a heads up, the majority of the literature calls straight edge a subculture. --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 03:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

RfC: I Am... Sasha Fierce

Hi. Would you mind weighing in on this RfC? It concerns whether or not a certain sentence should be (or should have been) removed: "I Am... Sasha Fierce received generally mediocre reviews from critics." Dan56 (talk) 03:19, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Lamb of God's Sacrament genre

Hello there ! Putting Lamb of God's album in the metalcore section is wrong. Metalcore is a combination between hardcore and melodic, something that Lamb of God isn't. I hope I can make you understand this diference, thank you. Have a nice day ! (sorry for my english) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moschin (talk • contribs) 21:07, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for discussing this. What you are saying is your opinion, that is, original research. The actual genres included should be verifiable (determined by sources), and metalcore is currently the only genre that is backed by a source. And personally, I disagree. Metalcore is a very broad term, defined as music that fuses influences from extreme metal and hardcore punk, often with an emphasis on breakdowns. Lamb of God's style on Sacrament is firmly rooted in extreme metal but also shows a lot of influence from hardcore – their bassist himself has called them a "punk band playing metal" – and breakdowns executed in typical metalcore fashion have a strong presence on the album. Sacrament is not, in my opinion, a straight-up metalcore record, as it also leans towards towards other metal genres, but there is a lot about the album that reminds me of genre-defining bands such as As I Lay Dying and Hatebreed, including the way guitars, vocals and song-structures are treated.--MASHAUNIX 21:40, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Help me with 2 timeline

please redoing the timeline of Maylene and the Sons of Disaster and Vital Remains with all the session members in the all albums, with all the touring members and actually touring (see the official page facebook of the band) and the correct band list :) because my computer have a problems with this timeline — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.112.218 (talk) 22:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't even know these bands and would rather spend my time on something that interests me.--MASHAUNIX 22:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)