User talk:DanTD/Archive. November 2011

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—JCbot (talk) 01:15, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

US 27 in FL and other things

Please, stop restoring the italics to the related routes list; that usage is totally inappropriate under MOS:ITALICS. The fact that other articles use the formatting wrong is not a license to use it wrong there. As an anecdote, we had a series of CA highway editors making edits to California State Route 78 to make it consistent with the rest of the WP:CASH articles. The only problem is that SR 78 has been listed as a FAC, and the others at that time were in various states of non-conformance with the Manual of Style, USRD project standards and Wikipedia policies. It took months to drill into the heads of those editors that you should lift up the rest of the articles to the same standards and practices instead of tearing down the good that has already been finished. Please don't let your need for consistency prompt you to "fix" the one that doesn't conform when the rest are the problem

As a second comment, I'm not a Florida editor primarily; I have so many goals and projects related to the WP:MISH articles that I can't turn my attentions to other states on a regular basis. The fact remains that Florida's highway articles are consistently kinda crappy. Look at WP:USRD/A/S, and you'll see that in terms of the Ω score (the average wikiwork), Florida is at about 5.4 on a 6-point scale. Remember that lower is better because it reflects less work to reach the theoretical goal of every article featured.� That said, you do focus a significant part of your energies on WP:FLSH articles, yet you also misplace those energies into fighting mergers, and attacking/reverting improvements to articles. If you want to place a {{infobox road small}} on U.S. Route 19 in Florida because you saw how I added one to US 27, just do it. If you want to add footnote citations to Google Maps to an article's route description, pull up the driving directions on GMaps and paste the link into a {{google maps}} template in a footnote. (Note, I suggest that you also cite the FDOT map in addition to GMaps, and if you have any travel guides, use them as well.) We're not going to do the work for you, but we will offer help and suggestions.

Seriously, the running joke about USRD regulars is that the best way to improve FLSH's stats on the USRD leaderboard would be if a hurricane came through and wiped out all of the highway articles so that they could all be started over, from scratch, a couple at a time using quality writing, quality sources, and good formatting. Instead, there are 400+ articles for FL, and over 200 of them are Stub-Class, and any attempts to merge or delete articles on county roads, which have the most tenuous of notability and should be the lowest priority for creation, is met with resistance. The day I was driving home from my Christmas vacation, three Michigan county road articles were sent to AfD in retaliation for my nomination of three FL CRs at AfD. The esteemed colleague of ours </sarcasm> couldn't have picked three worse examples because CR 492 is the home of the first highway centerline in the country (it had been a state highway in 1917), H-58 literally took an Act of Congress to get paved, and H-63 is a former Indian trail and previously a part of US 2. MI doesn't have very many CR articles to start because I'm very picky on what gets an article, saving that honor for notable roadways that would survive any attempt at an AfD nomination.

Please read what I've written here and take some of it to heart. Imzadi 1979 → 23:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your message to me, I'm not the only person who has been italicizing the former routes, and I not only didn't believe that was a violation of the MOS, I thought it was the MOS. If you're looking to create a new standard for distinguishing former routes with gray backgrounds, it ought to be brought up on WP:USRoads. As far as the multiple Florida SR stubs go, one unfortunate fact about the Florida State Road articles is that many of them are stubs because the roads themselves are short. You've got roads in places like Gainseville, Ocala, and Metro Miami that only exist within the city limits(and I'm not talking about former state roads here). That's part of the reason I've held back a couple of road articles. ----DanTD (talk) 19:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

No, italics are only used for emphasis and a few other uses per the MOS; yes, standard USRD practice has been to use them this other way, but it's wrong. As for color-coding former routes with gray backgrounds, that's for tables, not bulleted lists (the article I referenced has a table). Short length of a roadway does not mean a stub. Take a look at things like M-212 (Michigan highway), the shortest highway in the state of Michigan; M-209 (Michigan highway), the former shortest highway in the state; Interstate 375 (Michigan), the shortest signed Interstate in the US that even has a business spur; or the Capitol Loop. To say that short highways can't be destubbed is very much wrong as the first three of those examples are Good Articles and the last is a Featured Article. Imzadi 1979 → 23:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Bus Pic Response

Yes, that is at South Ferry. Fan Railer (talk) 23:48, 17 November 2011 (UTC)