User talk:Clovermoss

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Random advice

Regarding some of the recent discussion threads on acceptable comments during requests for administrative privileges: I find it difficult to offer advice, as my previous advice was, in part, "don't take advice from random people on the Internet". However, along the same lines, I feel it's important to avoid becoming overly invested in seeking trust from random people on the Internet. For better or worse, some people (on- or offline) will behave in ways we can't understand. Our control over that is very limited, so we can only manage our reaction and temper how much we choose to engage. Best wishes again for everything you choose to do. isaacl (talk) 03:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't regret a word of what I said. Nothing is ever going to change if people suffer in silence and don't try to stop toxicity in our community, whether it's at RfA or elsewhere. I'm not asking for anything groundbreaking here – just for people to do the right thing and not cast aspersions or be needlessly cruel. I've always taken issue with the fact that people will act like it's the victim's fault for having feelings and feeling hurt by such situations. It's human nature. I realize that you're trying to be helpful, but please do think about what I'm trying to say? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I apologize for being unclear. My comments were not related to that thread, but to the previous actions to which you referred. You expressed regret about some previous actions that you made in an attempt to allay another person's concerns. I'm suggesting that you needn't be overly worried about the concerns of an anonymous person, as there may be no way to resolve them, but of course it's up to you. I agree that you are the best judge of what course of action to take. Please rest assured I understand what you have been saying, and feel free to pay me no mind, as per my advice. isaacl (talk) 06:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

You're always welcome to throw your two cents here so please don't ever feel like your opinion is not worth giving, okay? I may not always agree with everyone who shows up to my talk page but I'm always willing to listen and hear them out at least.

I see a bit more where you're coming from now. Yeah... that was a "if I had a time machine" kind of wish. I wish past me had never tried to assuage that person's concerns. I was trying to level the playing field because they could only really take other people's word that I had been to meetups so I genuinely thought that sharing a photograph of me would be enough to banish any lingering doubt. But that situation ended up going the way I would never have predicted in that they think I look like a banned sockmaster too. If I had never reached out, I wouldn't have been hurt the same way and I wouldn't have a reason to avoid said editor whenever our paths cross. It's just a situation that sucks on multiple levels. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

RfA debriefs

There's a place to link or create one, if you've written one or are thinking of doing so. Valereee (talk) 13:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I think starting that recent discussion at WT:RFA is all I'm willing to write on the subject at the moment. I was planning to eventually write something here about my experiences, but it's quite generalized for now. I can let you know when you want if it's that something you'd be interested in? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure! Valereee (talk) 19:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Re: rollback issues

I had my rollback rights intentionally removed by request due to major issues with the interface. Viriditas (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: What kind of issues were you experiencing? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Unintentional rollback while browsing on mobile desktop. I thought I had solved the problem by getting rid of the rollback right, but now some old script is giving me rollback links in contribution view. Can you take a look at my script files? Viriditas (talk) 07:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: I'm horrible at understanding scripts, but it sounds like you're describing twinkle as it also has a rollback feature that isn't "real" rollback. Going to Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences might help you with what you're looking for? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Fixed! You’re the bee’s knees! The only thing I can think of is that sometime after I had rollback removed, I must have somehow turned the Twinkle features on by accident. No idea how that happened. Viriditas (talk) 08:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Viriditas: if you ever want to request rollback again, there is an option under Preferences > Gadgets to require confirmation when using rollback on mobile; this helps decrease the chances of doing accidental rollback. :) –FlyingAce^✈hello 14:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Just be sure to not also check the preference where you open up said user's contributions after the fact because that's when saying "no" to the confirmation prompt does nothing! These settings do not work together and I didn't immediately realize this even though it says so in that menu. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I honestly have no need for rollback, so I probably won't re-request it. I'm really only here to write and improve articles. I will leave the patrolling to others. Viriditas (talk) 00:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from SoryThank (08:44, 11 May 2024)

What if i edit the pages with the Warning of Undisclosed Payments or Major contributor have closed connection with it. Is I'm will blocked if i edit on these warning pages. ?? --SoryThank (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@SoryThank: Editing such a page itself will not cause you to be blocked unless there are other factors involved. However, if you are being paid to edit, you must disclose this. There's a good guide about what to do if you have a conflict of interest that you can read here. Feel free to come back if you have any other questions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

How to disclose ? What is Disclose SoryThank (talk) 08:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@SoryThank: Disclosing means saying that you are being paid to edit (and not just keeping it a secret). You can use {{connected contributor}} on your userpage to let people know. If you find the template confusing, I can add it for you, if you tell me what you might have a conflict of interest about. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you For Giving me Information SoryThank (talk) 09:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm unable to edit Draft Articles. A warning shows that my IP address is blocked but my account is not blocked. what is the Problem? SoryThank (talk) 09:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Are you available? SoryThank (talk) 10:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@SoryThank: I'm not always available. I'm under the impression you should be able to edit draftspace, given that you're able to edit here and you are not partially blocked from draftspace. Is there a specific draft you're trying to edit? What exactly happens when you try to do so? Also, it's important to declare whether or not you are a paid editor. Could you confirm this by either saying "yes" or "no"? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not a Paid user.

The problem is with my IP address.

I'm unable to edit Draft Articles and abme to edit Articles in the main Space. SoryThank (talk) 13:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

@SoryThank: I just can't think of anything that would cause you to actually have that problem even if your IP address is blocked. I'll ask around in case other people know something I don't. Are you trying to start a new draft or edit an existing one? If it's a new page, it might be "salted"? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

You have to give Wikipedia:IP block exemption SoryThank (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your email, Clovermoss. This account is a sockpuppet of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nauman335 and has been blocked. A telltale sign with these sockfarms is creating pages with unnecessary disambiguators, such as this account's Zard Patton Ka Bunn (2024), since Zard Patton Ka Bunn had already been repeatedly deleted. Pretty well any new article on a recent Pakistani television show is likely to be this sockfarm's work, unfortunately. Thanks for your help. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)