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Republic of Artsakh[edit]

The presence of Russian peacekeepers does not make this a part of Russia, that is blatant WP:OR. According to multiple sources, the village still operates as a part of the Republic of Artsakh.[1][2][3] --Steverci (talk) 21:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is not OR. According to ceasefire agreement, Lachin corridor is controlled by Russian peacekeepers. It is an official document, and this village is a part of that corridor. Claiming that it is not controlled by Russian peacekeepers contradicts the known facts, and the official document signed by 3 country leaders. Your sources say nothing about who controls the village, they only say that some of Armenian settlers in the village receive some assistance from a charity fund. Grandmaster 10:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The first source added does not say that it controls the village. It says: "Control over the observance of the ceasefire regime". That's entirely different. The Russian presence is one of policing the ceasefire regime, not of "controlling" the village. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The second source says: "Some villages live without electricity for weeks. For example, in the village of Aghavno [Azerbaijani name – Zabukh], located in the Lachin corridor [the road between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia, which is controlled by Russian peacekeepers according to the peace agreement], there has been no energy for two weeks." That's entirely different. Controlling (policing) a road is not the same thing as "controlling" the village. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It says that the village is within the corridor controlled by Russia. If Russia controls the corridor, it also controls all the settlements within it. The corridor is 5 km wide, and everything within it is under the control of the Russian peacekeepers, according to the ceasefire agreement. Grandmaster 22:34, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Arminfo source confirms that Aghavno residents are still registered as citizens of the Republic of Artsakh. Calling it part of Russia is blatant original research and not supported by any source. --Steverci (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arminfo only says that Azerbaijan does not control it. It does not say who does. Grandmaster 22:34, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, before engaging in an edit war, please read the ceasefire agreement, it says: The Lachin corridor (5 km (3.1 mi) wide), which will provide access from Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia and bypass the town of Shusha, shall remain under the control of the peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation. If the corridor is under the control of the Russian troops, then this village located in that corridor also is. Russian MOD also confirms that. Grandmaster 07:52, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian policeman told the British journalist[edit]

an Armenian policeman told the British journalist that Azerbaijani forces had previously pillaged 23 adjacent villages - I first rephrased this to remove wartime ethnic retribution logic from the article. Yesterday I have chance to access to the full article^[1]. I found out that article does not state anything about policeman speaking to the British journalist. Mentioned statement is from other source(The Guardian), which does not mention Zabukh. Saying that, I removing mentioned sentence from the article.

Abrvagl (talk) 10:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Seely, Robert (25 May 1992). "Armenian looters burn down village". The Times. p. 8.

[1] Seely, Robert (25 May 1992). "Armenian looters burn down village". The Times. p. 8.

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