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Let's start a discussion, shall we?[edit]

No independent references, no assertion of notability Well, independent references are tricky. I suppose something like a White Dwarf issue would be needed, or something from a recognised fanzine like Alarums & Excursions. Thing is, TT was pre-internet and not really talked about in the press at the time. There was supposedly a Blue Peter episode about it, and an episode of Why Don't You... The Peckforton Castle website mentions TT, briefly, but I don't think that would count. www.treasuretrap.net went down a while ago, and the Treasure Trap Yahoo group does not accept members who never went to TT.

As for "no assertion of notability", I don't know where that came from. First live combat LARP, certainly the first commercial LARP in the UK, and all that is noted in the article.

Anyone want to talk about this instead of just deleting? JustIgnoreMe (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm using the WP:GNG for notability. I suppose you could use the claim of "first commercial LARP", but this will still need to be verified by a reliable source, which takes us back to the general notability guideline again.

I have a stack of G.M. magazines here (circa 1988-89) that covered LARPing in every issue, so I'll take a look. Marasmusine (talk) 00:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, If someone can confirm that the mention in Livingstone's "Dicing with Dragons" is "significant" (e.g. more than one paragraph), then that will probably do, but the article should explain what kind of coverage this was. Marasmusine (talk) 00:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GM Magazine only started after TT folded, but I suppose some of the articles might have something about LARP history. Tabletop roleplaying magazines of the time had a certain amount of animosity towards LARPers and didn't generally cover them. There were no specialist LARP magazines at the time. Fanzines are generally not noteable. And LARP websites won't be a reliable source. It seems crazy that the evidence to show notability doesn't exist, but it may well be impossible to supply.JustIgnoreMe (talk) 01:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the references in the LARP History article might be relevant. The Times article references mentions TT as "pioneering", but everything else availalbe isn't scholarly research, it's just fan pages. JustIgnoreMe (talk) 01:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it appears GM is a bit after TTs time (although it does have some excellent material for some other LARP articles...) Perhaps some information about the television episodes you mentioned can be tracked down. Marasmusine (talk) 10:47, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was the subject of an article in an early White Dwarf, in fact that is how I heard about it. The problem is that I don't know if I still have that issue - it was 1982 after all - and I certainly don't remember the issue # Guthroth (talk) 14:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Issue 31 :> [1] Marasmusine (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Blue Peter haven't got back to me... JustIgnoreMe (talk) 01:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LRP FAQ[edit]

The alt.frp.live-action FAQ may have mentioned TT in some of it's preamble but I have no idea if there is an archive of an early copy. I doubt it counts on Wikipedia's verifviability guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex (talk • contribs) 17:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most references are now dead pages.[edit]

All but two of the references for this page are links to dead web sites. I'm cleaning them out. Sadly, that leaves this article looking even more under-referenced - but c'est la vie. SteveBaker (talk) 00:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]