Talk:T. Colin Campbell/Archive 1

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Doesn't seem like proper criteria to delete[edit]

This article seems significant --SeanMcG 04:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree, but it's a CSD G7.--Dakota ~ ε 04:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it's just a PR blurb, ignoring good critics like: http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-8e.shtml http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html http://www.thepaleodiet.com/published_research/ (added later)

Discussion of casein out of place?[edit]

I just edited the discussion of casein and cancer to correct some factual errors in it (it was making incorrect claims about what the references it cited actually said), but if others concur, I'd prefer to delete it entirely: It seems out of place in an article about the author, and much more suited to a discussion about the health effects of casein (where Kelly2357 also added it, and I've left it there, though corrected). For any result that a scientist obtains, there are likely to be studies that agree and that disagree with those results, but that has little bearing on who the scientist him or herself is. DavidAndersen (talk) 05:28, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re-reading the article and this comment, I've gone ahead and removed the material by the rationale above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidAndersen (talk • contribs) 05:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is unfortunate. The discovery that casein is the most significant promoter of all types of cancer was T. Colin Campbell's most important discovery, entirely unexpected and very formative to the rest of his career.

He leaves no doubt about this in his largely autobiographical book, The China Study.

His research on casein was a watershed event in cancer research and continues to substantially impact and guide the thinking of health professionals and researchers.

Removing the casein discussion from this article is tantamount to editing out any mention of relativity from a biographical article on Einstein. Cheryl Hugle (talk) 04:38, 13 April 2013 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle[reply]

Let's refrain from unfair comments and links to clearly biased websites[edit]

To say this article is a "just a PR blurb" is unfair to this book and can only have been written by someone who has not read it. Like the book, this article is significant in the sense of being responsible, and the book is not only well written but meticulously documented. Neither "good" nor "well-documented" accurately describes the two clearly ideological and highly suspect web links you provide, Dakota. The first contains a mass of material written not by experts in nutrition but submitted by readers (also not experts in nutrition) and selected by the persons who run the site, who do not disclose how the site is supported. Much of the purported information is sarcastic "humor" satirizing vegans and vegetarians. Such attitudes poison the atmosphere of what should be a responsible discussion. You do not do yourself credit by linking to such sites. Even the sources page of this site merely provides more reason to indict it. The names of a great number of articles and studies are given without any link to what point the were supposed to support or defeat, and there are even several citations of scientific articles by Dr. Campbell himself. Nor are there any balancing views presented anywhere on either of these sites. Also telling is the fact that, on the former, the review Dr. Joel Fuhrman's book and Dr. Fuhrman's rebuttal have been deleted. I suspect I can guess why. --Gunnermanz 10:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made a couple changes in the intro, by the way. I am just finishing this book now, and the correlation is not just between meat consumption and heart disease and cancer. If anything, a great number of the studies they cite, including Campbell's own early studies, show the effect of casein (the protein in milk) rather than meat in its realtionship not only to cancer but also Type 1 diabetes (which I have added to the innumeration of diseases).

--Gunnermanz 14:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just a small point, Joel Fuhrman's book review and rebuttal were not deleted from the beyondveg website. The website just carried links to documents hosted on "www.waste.org". It seems that "lanshark" the owner of the documents closed his user account on this server.

I read a few things written by Campbell and it looks like he is a fanatic forcing his opinions on the data. His critics seem to have a much better scientific approach. I took a peek into the "China Project" published research papers and immediately found an article signed by Campbell himself showing that drinking milk help the bones. What is going on here?

Sorry, the "T. Colin Campbell" article and those related to it are highly biased and ignoring these excellent critics is a grave mistake. The Wikipedia project doesn't belong to fanatic vegans or Adventists...

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Deletion criteria[edit]

Since this article seems to cover no actual biographical information and is essentially a rehash of information from The China Study, I think it should be deleted. Or at the very least merged with The China Study. --Gimme danger 08:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that he now sit on the advisory board of "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine", an animal right advocacy group, is a significant piece of information. This can be confirmed by various news source[1] outside of China Study. This piece of information cast serious doubt on the impartiality of the China Study itself. At least, we should give reader the chance to make up their own mind. This article should be restored or alternatively, Campbell's link to this particular organisation should be stated in the China Study article. Vapour (talk) 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personal diet[edit]

It appears Colin Campbell does not identify himself as a vegetarian or vegan. In an interview he was asked "What personal experiences led you to vegetarianism and veganism? How long have you been vegan?". He replied, "I never intended to seek out evidence to support vegetarianism or veganism because of any preconceived ideas or experiences. Indeed, I tend not to use the 'V' words because they often infer something other than what I espouse. I have been a 99% vegan since about 1990." He supports vivisection, as he notes "In experimental animals (rats and mice) we could turn on and off experimental cancer development by feeding and withdrawing casein at levels above minimum protein requirements."[2] Nirvana2013 (talk) 19:33, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Surprised to find any discussion at all about deleting this article[edit]

T. Colin Campbell was the lead scientist of arguably the most important study on nutrition ever undertaken. Additionally, his work in the Philippines discovered the 'cure' for cancer. This fact is prominently featured in the movie Forks Over Knives and in the trailer for the movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPJbYAYzP04

Since Wikipedia articles must be about notable people, how much more notable can one be?

And, T. Colin Campbell is quoted in a large number of best selling books by many authors including John Robbins http://www.amazon.com/Food-Revolution-Your-Diet-World/dp/1573244872.

Just recently, T. Colin Campbell was given the AltaMed Visionary Award https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ifEohP8MIQI

(AltaMed is Southern California's premier network of community clinics, senior care programs, and health and human services for the entire family.)

And, he has received so many other honors and awards.

I understand that many people want to discredit him and his work because his findings threaten a way of life, but, this is an encyclopedia and T. Colin Campbell is one of the most prominent, esteemed, celebrated and quoted scientists of modern times.

It is not about whether we agree with him, it is about what he has contributed and how well these contributions have been acknowledged. Cheryl Hugle (talk) 08:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle[reply]

To SlimVirgin[edit]

More informative, improved accuracy, much better cogency... thanks for doing all that!

Cheryl Hugle (talk) 22:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC) Cheryl Hugle[reply]

You're welcome, and many thanks for the feedback. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]


No detail on his Wife?[edit]

I hear that his wife died of cancer last year. Is this true? I know she follows his diet as well. Please add some detail on her. 101.108.254.106 (talk) 10:32, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please add detail about his wife. This is important since he is still active pushing his diet ideas for health. 1.20.133.148 (talk) 23:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any WP:RS and proposed text in mind? Rhode Island Red (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Number of kids[edit]

According to his wife they have 5 kids, if I understood correctly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo-OhvSPwm8).--Renek78 (talk) 08:06, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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