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"Supermercado" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Supermercado and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 7#Supermercado until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 13:32, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Challenging edit by User:Keizers on 13 July 2020[edit]

I'm challenging this edit as (1) grossly inaccurate and (2) failing verification.

The text I am challenging is as follows: "In everyday U.S. usage, however, "grocery store" is synonymous with supermarket,[1] and is not used to refer to other types of stores that sell groceries.[2][1]" The cited sources do not actually say that, and it's also just plain wrong. By the time I was eight or nine years old, I was well aware that in American English, the term "grocery store" refers to both big and small stores that sell groceries (especially the classic "corner grocery store" seen in inner-city areas) and overlaps with the "supermarket" concept. Any objections before I take out the trash? --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:10, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm changing it now to just say that it's often a synonym for supermarket. You are right that I didn't prove that grocery store doesn't refer to something smaller than a supermarket, although to be honest I'm not familiar with any format which is still like that, not in the city and not in the suburbs, except for specialized ethnic food stores, and I personally would be likely to call one of those a "food store" (e.g. "Russian food store") but I will stick to what is in the referenced sources. Keizers (talk) 15:37, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by supermarkets?[edit]

yes 38.183.26.35 (talk) 15:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very good question (and observation)! That information is included in the article. Hopefully that solves your concern? Keizers (talk) 15:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Challenging deletions on 3 May 2024[edit]

I'm challenging this edit on 3 May 2024 by User:CoolieCoolster of four fully-sourced paragraphs.

The last time I looked into this issue at a research university library over a year ago, the scholarly consensus is that the FMI study got it right and the first supermarket was King Kullen. Frankly, as a Californian, it would be much more cool if Alpha Beta or Ralphs had been the first, but under WP policy, I defer to the published reliable sources on this issue. If you believe that consensus is wrong, it's your burden under WP policy to find a published reliable source (see WP:RS, WP:V) that attacks the FMI study as arbitrary and then update this article to explain that there are dissenting perspectives on the issue. Coolcaesar (talk) 16:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from the article not giving any consideration to international grocery stores that contributed innovations of their own to the supermarket concept, there is no consensus that King Kullen was the first supermarket in the United States, as different sources arrive at different conclusions by adjusting the parameters for what differentiates a supermarket from a grocery store. I'll list articles below based on their claimed 'first supermarket':
If looking specifically for another printed source, Once Upon a Store: A Biography of the World's First Supermarket by William H. Marnell in 1971 considered "Uphams Corner Market" to be the first supermarket.
Given that sources cannot agree on which grocery store was the first supermarket, it makes more sense to simply state the innovations that each contributed to the modern supermarket concept, something that ultimately evolved beyond the contributions of either Piggly Wiggly or King Kullen. While it could be stated that sources consider either Piggly Wiggly, King Kullen, or another one of the listed innovators to be the first supermarket, stating that any one of them were the first supermarket—even in the context of the existence of dissenting opinions—is invalid given the clear lack of consensus.
Furthermore, regardless of the sources ultimately used, they should also be verified to not simply defer to the claims made by the supermarket chains in question, given that both King Kullen and Piggly Wiggly use the claim to bolster their marketing. -CoolieCoolster (talk) 05:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Coolcaesar I don't want to make another edit just for it to be reverted, so if there's a reason why the sources I listed shouldn't be considered as breaking with the consensus you claim to exist, feel free to say so before I edit the article again. -CoolieCoolster (talk) 03:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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