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May I ask why the category "German patriotic songs" has been removed? The editor should read the libretto, esp. the opera's last song, "Heil Freiheit, dir, du Völkerzier". -- Orthographicus (talk) 09:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
a) The work is obviously not a song. b) The definition of "patriotism" is fuzzy. Were the events of 1848 "patriotic"? Is the US "Patriot Act" patriotic? IMO the Category:German patriotic songs and Template:German patriotic songs are thoroughly unencyclopedic and inherently the result of WP:OR, WP:POV, and, at best, WP:SYNTH. I suspect that the "patriotism" of Regina was not a universally held view at the time. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 19:54, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
b) Only if you use the word in its most narrow meaning, besides the fact that the patriotic part of the opera, the ending, is a song. b) If someone praises the fatherland in a song, that's patriotic. Hardly anyone would find that fuzzy. IMO, the German category and template are as encyclopedic as all the other categories about patriotic songs. It fulfills the simple purpose that everyone who's interested in patriotic music can easily find all the articles dealing with exactly that topic. I don't see any problem with that. THAT's what Wikipedia is here for: to help people find information they seek. If someone is interested in German patriotic music -- and such people exist even though this topic is of no interest to you --, they can use the before-mentioned category and should also find Wagner's Lohengrin and Lortzing's Regina thereon. -- Orthographicus (talk) 06:14, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
