Talk:Pineapple/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2014

Regarding the numbers for pineapple production. I ude Thailand as an example. In the list Thailand produces 1894 kiloton per year. In the text is writtwn 1.894 million ton. So it is ambigious. I presume the correct is 1,894 million = 1894 kiloton

Sincerely Thorkil Poulsen

188.228.37.224 (talk) 12:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 14:05, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Technical 13: Well, duh. The reliable source is linked from the article (see the previous edit request above). Perhaps it takes a bit of skill to figure out the user interface on that site. The figure for Thailand given by that reliable source is 1894862 tonnes, which is equivalent to (1,894,862 ÷ 1000) kilotonnes = 1894.862 kilotonnes. A kilotonne is 10³ tonnes. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

• Oh by the way, as I mentioned above, the figure from that source for Brazil is 2206492 tonnes, i.e. 2206 kilotonnes, not 1471. This still needs fixed, but it would be better to update the entire table to the latest year for which figures are available. I meant to get to this, but alas, too many demands on my time. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:42, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed – the cited source clearly uses tonnes, not tons, as its unit of measurement. Sorry some of the figures didn't agree with the source; I corrected them too. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

This edit changed (thousand metric ton) → Kilotonnes. I'm not sure that is an improvement, as we're not measuring the energy of nuclear explosions. Wbm1058 (talk) 04:12, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Date mismatch (or else ambiguously worded)

Just noticed this: the article seems to suggest that pineapple was introduced to Hawaii in the early 19th century in one sentence, then the very next sentence suggests it was introduced in the 1500's (a significant 300 year gap!)

The Spanish introduced it into the Philippines, Hawaii (introduced in the early 19th century, first commercial plantation 1886), Zimbabwe and Guam. The fruit is said to have been first introduced in Hawaii when a Spanish ship brought it there in the 1500s.

If it's meant to state that it was introduced to the Philippines in the 19th century, not to Hawaii, than the parenthetical statement should be moved to make it clear that it refers to the Philippines and not Hawaii. I'd correct this myself but the article is protected. 67.174.98.77 (talk) 09:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2014

Please include the Brazilian (Portuguese) name for pineapple fiber as abacaxi fiber, from only the mention of pineapple fiber as piña fiber.

Drocj (talk) 06:01, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

How would it be included (eg "change X to Y"), and why would we want to included the Brazilian name? Thanks, Stickee (talk) 08:52, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Main areas of production

I would disagree with the Asia statement in this page.

The main growing areas are: Ivory Coast (150,000 tons in 2003), Costa Rica, Cameroon, Ghana, Brazil, Honduras, Ecuador, South Africa

You might well be correct. While Asia is a main source of pineapples for the western US, the areas you cite could be much bigger producers. Pineapple production in Hawaii was moved to Asia (Philippines) in the past decade or so - Marshman 17:11, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I DISAGREE. Previous information was correct, Mr. Marshman. The statistical databases of FAO confirms South East Asia as source of the world major pineapple crops, in 2004.

(in thousands of metric tons)

1. Thailand 1,997 2. Philippines 1,759 3. Brazil 1,477 4. China 1,403 5. India 1,300 6. Costa Rica 1,077 7. Nigeria 889 followed by Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia and Kenya (500+), Colombia, Malaysia, Venezuela and Bangladesh (300+) In the USA, California produces the most pineapples. More than 100 metric tons are produce in the town Lone Pine and the city of L.A. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Googleboy69 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Ethical and environmental concerns

Most of that section is sourced from a Guardian article and the data comes from quotes from one person with no links. It's as valid as taking data from a person who says "Santa Claus exists". It might be true, but it's not a reliable source. The only way this data could be included is to say "Fernando Ramirez says that '.....

Otherwise the section has to go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.238.104 (talk) 11:10, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

removal of pictures

I added three high-resolution pictures but they were removed because of "external links". I didn't add any external links. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 02:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Right. I'm not sure whether there are any guidelines on photo galleries. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:NOTGALLERY applies. The pictures added, however high-res and from Commons, do not add new information to the article, as they are adequately represented in other images. Perhaps you could make substitutions. --Zefr (talk) 03:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean substitute those for some that are there? None of the others shows that level of detail in the leaves, e.g., so which should it replace? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Your addition of these pictures in a new "Gallery" section seems to have upset the longstanding balance of pictures in the article, resulting in this edit making a mass-removal.

For a long time, there was a "marketing" section with nothing but pictures of pineapples for sale. I've been hoping someone might have expanded that with text describing the marketing of pineapples around the world, but that hasn't happened. When you started adding pictures, that prompted someone to fold the marketing photos into your gallery. So now we have a bunch of pictures with no common theme for why they are here, and no hint that the article needs a section on the retail sale of the fruit. Generally, you don't find articles with "coffee table book" size photos on Wikipedia. In the external links section there is a template {{commons|Ananas comosus}} which links to commons:

...where readers can go browsing for detailed pictures to their heart's content. I think that's the point of NOTGALLERY. Commons is Wikimedia's gallery. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:39, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

For me, the new gallery pictures are not convincing for detail already in the article's images. WP:NOTGALLERY basically requests that new images be incorporated into the article with explanation for why they are added.--Zefr (talk) 03:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

So if there was a discussion of the details in the leaf, it would be OK, right? You can zoom in on any of my photos and see a great amount of detail. (That "gallery" had one poor photo before I added three good ones.)Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Possibly, but keep in mind WP:NOTTEXTBOOK. --Zefr (talk) 04:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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Catherine the Great

In the History section is a sentence as follows: "Catherine the Great ate pineapples grown on her own estates before her death in 1796." Is there anyone who thinks that Catherine the Great ate pineapples after her death or ate pineapples grown after her death? The phrase "before her death in 1796" adds no value to the rest of the sentence. I would suggest changing the sentence to "Catherine the Great was known to eat pineapples grown on her own estates." Danielklein (talk) 10:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Spongebob Squarepants

There appears to be no reference of Spongebob in this article. Surely everyone knows who Spongebob is and knows that he lives in a pineapple under the sea? Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 08:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Images to illustrate cultivars

The cultivars section could use some more images. -- Gordon Ecker, WikiSloth (talk) 08:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Pineapple is not citrus (nor mulberry)

I deleted the sentence that suggested that Pineapple is a citrus fruit according to "scientists." I can't find any reference anywhere that makes that assertion. As you can see from the information below (taken from Wikipedia articles on "Pineapple" and "Citrus," pineapples are not even in the same class or order or family as citrus, much less the genus citrus itself.

I am not a botanist and do not claim any credentials of my own, but the statement that pineapples are citrus fruits seems clearly to be in error. Kenington 10:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Citrus (Wikipedia) Scientific classification Kingdom: Plantae Division: Magnoliophyta Class: Magnoliopsida Order: Sapindales Family: Rutaceae Genus: Citrus

Pineapple (Wikipedia) Scientific classification Kingdom: Plantae Division: Magnoliophyta Class: Liliopsida Order: Poales Family: Bromeliaceae Genus: Ananas Species: A. comosus

I see that someone put down that pineapple is a tree related to the mulberry. This is also very wrong :) Pineapples are monocots (which include grasses, onions, etc.), specifically bromeliads. I'll be correcting that in just a moment. -- Limulus 10:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

If pineapples are related to grasses and onions (which is a grass), and i agree that pineapples are, then pineapples are NOT fruit, which the first paragraph says they are. Pineapples do not have seeds inside. Before someone says anything about bananas, first off- bananas used to before human cultivation, and second- banana NOT A FRUIT, there is no banana TREE, it is the world's largest herb, so unless you can make the case that thyme and basil or fruits... 24.182.142.254 (talk) 21:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC) correction-pineapples do have seeds, but still NOT FRUIT, sorry! Speaking of bananas, they are berries because they are covered with skin. As an Educator, I learned this years ago and found it interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.65.16.222 (talk) 16:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Pineapple is not a fruit

Contrary to people beliefs, pineapples are not fruits (as neither are figs, for that matter) they are more properly called infrutescences. They are a modified version of a flower, similar to an inflorescence.

The article starts: "Pineapple (Ananas comosus) is the common name for an edible tropical plant and also its fruit.[1]"

It is certainly not an "edible plant", as we don't eat the plant itself, just the "so-called fruit".

I would change to: "Pineapple (Ananas comosus) is the common name for a tropical plant and also its edible fruit.[1]" or "... its edible inflorescence".

The advantages of pineaple for healthy: Manfaat Nanas Untuk Kesehatan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.81.109.248 (talk) 05:19, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2017

Link to history of the pineapple needs to be updated to https://www.doleplantation.com/resources/ . The URL appears to have changed since the original retrieval. Macwizzard (talk) 02:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 03:21, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2017

Change "Bangkadesh" to "Bangladesh". Mispelling. 199.82.243.107 (talk) 20:50, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for catching the error and reporting it here. Deli nk (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2017

Pineapples can symbolize royalty with their green spiked leaves, like a crown, sitting on top of their golden body. JAyers (talk) 22:48, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @JAyers: We need a source to add that. —C.Fred (talk) 22:58, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Different genders of pineapple?

So, my girlfriends grandmother is with us for the holidays, and she has given me the task of discovering the difference between male and female pineapples. This is a secret given to her years ago that has recently left her memory. I've been all over the web and can't find any reference to pineapples even having different sexes. For the sake of getting back to her with fact, can anyone tell me whether or not they do indeed have different genders, and if so how can you tell them a part?? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.164.211 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm told the male pineapple has short and prickly leaves and are sweeties. Females have taller longer leaves and not a juicer and not sharper.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Louise Peace (talk • contribs) 05:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Pollination

The article states that hummingbird import is prohibited in Hawaii to protect the pineapple harvest; however, I can find no citation that says this is the specific reason. Hummingbirds are not unique; they are one species in a long list that could upset the balance of the island ecosystem for reasons known and unknown. The claim that this is the deciding factor is unsourced, so I suggest a rewrite. If anyone could provide better sources on pineapple pollination, like what the actual differences between a seedy and seedless pineapple are, that would be helpful. As it is, I can only find this [1]. 77.173.243.44 (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

From the Morton ref #2 under Description: "Since hummingbirds are the principal pollinators, these birds are prohibited in Hawaii to avoid the development of undesired seeds." Fyi, pineapples are no longer grown on an industrial scale in Hawaii, due to the high cost of labor. Over the last half of the 1900s, Hawaiian pineapple production progressively decreased, with canneries eventually closing for good around 2007, according to this, which is also a good source for discussing the quality success and persistence over decades of the (mainly) seedless Smooth Cayenne variety, eventually surrendering to the newer variety, MD-2 (last section of HortScience article). I revised the pollination section; let me know if other changes are needed. --Zefr (talk) 16:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Ananas

It should be noted that in most World languages, pineapple is called ananas. That include all the Wikipedia Interlanguage entries linked here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.120.135.199 (talk) 11:40, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Possible removal from list

An entry in List of colors: N–Z contained a link to this page.

The entry is :

• Pineapple

I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries

If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Eating with Salt

Pineapple is often eaten with a sprinkle of salt. This can increase the perception of sweetness and may reduce some of the unpleasant feelings some people associate with eating pineapple.

References

This is quite interesting, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate for an encyclopaedia format. By AWwikipedia - Sydney, NSW - I like pineapples. (talk) 23:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Merge Pineapple juice

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was not merge. The nominator withdrew as a result of the updated article. AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:16, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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I propose we merge in Pineapple juice. Once the very poorly sources health claims are removed there is not really enough content to justify its own article. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Cleaned up the pineapple juice article a little. --Zefr (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
• Against This article should be kept, it can be expanded with more material.Catfurball (talk) 15:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

  Catfurball, do you have reliable sources to get material from in mind? —⁠andrybak (talk) 17:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

• support per nom--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:13, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• oppose - there's quite a bit we can add to the juice article to make it a viable spin-off including popular cocktails and fruity drinks (see examples: Cherry juice, Apple juice, etc.) whereas Pineapple focuses on the fruit. We already have a few other articles that use pineapples in recipes so try to think more like a chef or bartender. I will try to recruit alexbrn to help with the health benefits (if there are any), so please let's not use that to justify merging. It's ok if it sits as a stub for a while until we get a collaboration going. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 18:40, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support merge per WP:NOPAGE - worthy topic, but would make most sense in the context of the Pineapple article. Alexbrn (talk) 04:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Merge - I can certainly recruit students in an introductory to food science course to expand the article. Though they are Wikipedia editing newbies (so am I), I can ask them to add content similar to other fruit juice (apple, orange, cranberry, etc). Support and guidance from you all is highly appreciated as they learn about pineapple juice and contributing to Wikipedia. JudyCChan (talk) 18:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Merge - the information about the production process is interesting to me, considering that it is a fruit not typically associated with "juicing" as people may think of for orange juice, etc. As long as others agree that the process described is accurate and comes from a reliable source, I think it is valid. Also, it is worth noting that a quick google search shows the Wikipedia entry showing up at the top of the page (as is common with Google now). Vanillabean43 (talk) 18:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

@Andrybak: I have to look everywhere, not just under pineapple juice. Infact some information I found by accident.Catfurball (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Comment - JudyCChan, I found the following RS online: (1) Agriculture and biological sciences, (2) Food Science, and (3) Encyclopedia of Food Sciences and Nutrition (Second Edition), 2003 (Elsevier): "Pineapple juice is a major item of commerce, as fresh or frozen, full strength, or as a concentrate. Reasonably high in carbohydrates, fermented juice is used to make vinegar. It does not make a good-quality wine but, fermented and distilled, it makes a potent, if somewhat disreputable, alcoholic spirit, available in several Pacific island countries." There are quite a few available for whoever does the research. Just a bit of caution for the new editors - any health claims must adhere to WP:MEDRS. If you haven't checked out WP:TWL, they offer access to Wikipedia:Elsevier ScienceDirect. Happy editing! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose merge - Think more info could be added to the pineapple juice page, specifically under the beverages section. Perhaps even including a list of classic cocktails (industry recognised, although not on the IBA list). For example, pineapple juice is one of the main ingredients that makes up the Jungle Bird cocktail, which doesn't even have a page on Wikipedia. Rhgxjean (talk) 19:35, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Merge – Enough content is available to qualify a standalone article for the topic of the juice itself. The article has been expanded after the merge was proposed, and it appears that more expansion is possible. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Merge - The article has been significantly expanded and improved. I believe this article qualifies to be independent. AmericanAir88^(talk) 14:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Merge - There is enough content to remain as a unique article, not to mention too that the juice is an important feed product in pineapple producing regions. -- Sjschen (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose merge - distinctive history comes from the processing of the fruit to create a product. Add a small mention in the main article but no need to merge.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:03, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
• Now that the article is fully formed and does not contain the concerning content as before fine not to merge. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Storage and Transport

Article contains this text and reference : “A pineapple never becomes any riper than it was when harvested.[78]”

This aligns with information from Dole plantations, however personal experience shows that green, underripe pineapples, continue to ripen, becoming yellow and more aromatic.

Is it an incorrect statement being perpetuated, or is there an updated processing treatment of the fruit , or is the fruit simply starting to decompose?

I’m interested if there is another validated source for this statement in the article.

Thank you for any contribution on this point.

Feebee06 (talk) 23:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Need a section about how to select a good pineapple at the store

IE, information about the pluck a leaf trick, smelling the bottom, etc etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.185.56.5 (talk) 17:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Table and picture movement and alignment

The Pineapple production- 2019 table is misaligned and I guess at this point out of date. I probably could easily find reliable up to date information but first would like to knowhow to move the images down and get the table into alignment along the right side of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godspeed18 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

So it seems this is a full wide screen issue when the page is narrowed the text becomes longer and this issue no longer occurs. It seems the only solution is to add more properly sourced content in that section of the article. Godspeed18 (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Assuming the content is worth keeping, the problem is akin to "image stacking", where lots of things are all floating to the right of the text that are each longer than their section. One common solution is to stagger them so some are on the left instead, such as Help:Table#Float table left or right. Or if something really is actual encyclopedia content being discussed rather than a decoration or secondary detail, it could be moved in-line with the body (rather than floating to the side of the text). I floated it left, and it seems to be a big improvement on my screen. Better for you? More work needed? DMacks (talk) 14:00, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I updated the FAO production data for the most recent results available - 2020. The table may not be necessary, i.e., we could write the production values into text and remove the table, which looks clumsy on the left screen among the right-sided greenhouse pictures (which are not major content, and could be moved to the gallery, allowing the table to go back to the right side). Zefr (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

What animals eat it in the wild?

I assume from all the spines it doesn't want to be eaten. Imagine Reason (talk) 03:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

There are a few wild animals that eat pineapple flowers including; squirrels, raccoons, opossums, monkeys and rats. Though getting through the tough spikes would be hard all these animals have sharp teeth to cut through the hard outside. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkChocolateYay (talk • contribs) 04:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)