Talk:National Coalition Party/Archive 1

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The history section needs some work

A few points about the section on the party's history:

1. The Fennoman factions, the Finnish Party and the Young Finnish Party, were not divided because one leaned toward Russia and the other Germany. Rather, they disagreed in their approach to oppossing Russification policies.

2. The impetus for founding the party was a desire to gather all the monarchist, conservative elements from said Fennoman parties in one organization.

3. The sentence that talks about "further tensions" is a bit confusing. Should said tensions be introduced with a "but" instead of an "and"? In any case, some of the listed bones of contention seem pretty darn irrelevant. (The Entente? Multi-party systems? Really?)

4. The Patriotic People's Movement was founded by former Lapua Movement supporters in 1932. Its founding was not a division within the Coalition. Further, Paasikivi was elected Coalition chairman in 1934, after the disastrous electoral coalition with the PPM in the 1933 parliamentary election, so his line had nothing to do with PPM's founding.

5. The stuff about a "pro-democracy line" is pretty strange. Is the suggestion that Pekka Pennanen, who was the chairman between Paasikivi and Linkomies, didn't take a pro-democracy line? If so, I'd like to see some evidence.

If there are no objections, I'll start fixing this stuff. --Jouten 00:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I've posted a rewritten version of the party's pre-2000s history. See what you think. --Jouten 11:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Economy under PM Holkeri

The article currently states that "During Holkeri's time in office, the Finnish economy plunged into a recession", which has been marked as dubious. It may be a bit too strong of a statement. Holkeri's election loss came in March 1991. While the Finnish language Wikipedia article on the topic says that the early 1990s economic depression began in 1990 [1], I suppose there's a case to be made that it properly began in 1991. GPD growth for 1990 was essentially nil for 1990 and dropped sharply in 1991.

The OECD Economic Outlook for 1991 describes Finland's economy in 1990 thusly: "Domestic demand weakened rapidly in 1990, and growth decelerated from 5 per cent in 1989 to close to zero in the second half-year. Consumer prices also decelerated through the year, as housing prices fell and import prices rose on average only a little. Wage increases, however, remained high. A very rapid deceleration of import volumes towards the end of the year led to an improvement of the trade account, despite the negative contribution of the rising price of energy imports. Nevertheless, a worsening services balance and mounting net interest payments continued to make for a widening current deficit, which may have reached 4-3/4 per cent of GDP for 1990. Unemployment, while remaining low, started to increase." [2]

How about, "During Holkeri's time in office, the Finnish economy suffered an economic downturn"? Would that be an acceptable statement? The OECD article could be used as a reference. --Jouten 13:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I've changed the article as indicated and removed the dubious tag. I hope that's okay. --Jouten 15:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Grammar

the grammar in this article needs serious editing as it looks to be directly translated from Finnish without adding "the"'s and "a"'s.--24.235.216.83 20:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Already is a consistently placed in the wrong position in English sentences by non-native speakers. It always goes next to the verb. Its positioning is tricky with compound verbs. It is often placed incorrectly near the date and far from the verb, but that is wrong. Nick Beeson (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Election results "1k's" and "2k's"?

Does anyone know what the 1k's and 2k's preceding the vote totals mean in the election results section (under presidential - direct)? Are they a mistake or does this serve a purpose of some sort? Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks. Also if they serve a purpose a key under the table clarifying what they represent would probably be useful, as this is not common among voting total boxes. Helper201 (talk) 03:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

The superscript represents the vote totals and percentages in the first and second rounds of the presidential elections, and the word for "round" or "tour" in Finnish is "kierros", hence the "k". Mélencron (talk) 04:34, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Mélencron. Thank you for answering this. Any chance you could add an explanation under the table as a key please? Helper201 (talk) 18:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Copyedit done

Pretty much copyedited the whole thing in the past 2-3 days by fixing refs, links, outdated stuff, uncited stuff, adding refs, improving grammar, improving coherence etc etc. I didn't translate the name of those subgroups (e.g. Kokoomuksen Naisten Liitto) that did not have an English translation on their website. Please see if I wrongly removed stuff or made errors. All done in good faith, cheers! Manelolo (talk) 15:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Since Pessimistipasta was so kind to do a revision of the article and it seems objectively pretty well off, I boldly nominated it for good article, cheers! Manelolo (talk) 20:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
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