Talk:John Gudenus

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Vandalism?[edit]

What in your opinion is vandalism in the last change? Gudenus was recently convicted for national socialist activities and is colonol. [1].

"John Gudenus is a national socialist, retired member of the Federal Council of Austria" is not a good first sentence for an encyclopaedic article on Gudenus. Our main target group here are people who have never come across him before, and they might get the wrong impression that there have been "national socialists", i e members of the National Socialist Party, in the Austrian Parliament recently. "Holocaust denialist" is bad enough, and I think more NPOV. <KF> 09:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

holocaust denialist is simply wrong and fictional, since gudenus never has denied the holocaust. he made some statements to qualify the national socialism as not as bad as people were made to believe, which is a subsumed under "nationalsozialistische wiederbetätigung" (national socialist reactivation) by the austrian criminal law which often is misleadingly translated to "holocaust denial". i can understand that national socialist could be misunderstood and people might think there is still a national socialist party in austria if there are national socialist, which is not true.--213.47.84.190 23:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read the definition of "Holocaust denial" from the Wikipedia article and you'll find that the term is not "simply wrong":

Holocaust denial (commonly called Holocaust revisionism by its supporters) is the belief that the Holocaust did not occur as it is described by mainstream historiography. Key elements of this belief are the explicit or implicit rejection that, in the Holocaust:

The Nazi government had a policy of deliberately targeting Jews, people of Jewish ancestry, and the Roma (also known as Gypsies) for extermination as a people;
Over five million Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies.
Tools of efficient mass extermination, such as gas chambers, were used in extermination camps to kill Jews.

<KF> 09:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]