Talk:Intersectionality/Archive 2

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Potential source to integrate - Sidanius

The Theory of Gendered Prejudice: A Social Dominance and Intersectionalist Perspective Jim Sidanius, Sa-kiera T. J. Hudson, Gregory Davis, and Robin Bergh The Oxford Handbook of Behavioral Political Science Edited by Alex Mintz and Lesley Terris, DOI: 10.1093/oxfordhb/9780190634131.013.11 "This chapter argues that while intersectionalist and critical race theorists have qualitatively (and occasionally quantitatively) drawn attention to the fact that the racial and gender dimensions of oppression are both interactively implicated in the maintenance of group-based inequality, a fully satisfactory empirical analysis of the dynamics of racism and sexism has yet to be achieved. Using the theoretical frameworks of evolutionary psychology and social dominance theory (SDT), this chapter offers an alternative understanding of the intersectional entanglement of racism and sexism. This chapter introduces the theory of gendered prejudice, a derivative of SDT, and posits that a satisfactory account of racism, or what social dominance theorists generalize as “arbitrary-set” oppression, is a deeply gendered phenomenon." I don't have time to integrate this right now, but am posting here to remind myself and in the hopes that someone else might beat me to it. Pengortm (talk) 00:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Suggest to remove (or mostly remove) the chatty and unsupported last part of the "Historical background"

The essayist of the last part of the "Historical background" style is not to going to cut it on wikipedia, as per WP:NOTESSAY --Thorseth (talk) 05:26, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

@Thorseth: this is why it's tagged with "This below part is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay". However, as it seems to be summarising the work of an academic, Claudia Jones, the content could likely be repurposed into something encyclopedic, which would likely be better than removal. However, I wouldn't object to outright removal either. — Bilorv (talk) 16:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

"Psychology"

I think the article is not neutral in its formulation in the way it tends to oppose what psychologist discovers and intersectionnality. It is true gay black men can be seen as a positive more positive than black men. Only what intersectionality points out is that this positivation has not a duration nor a long term efficacity. It is a "fetichization". Also intersectionality perfectly know people tend to favorize the status quo that's the main thing of it. It is my first review i dont know if I should argue longer or if I do right but here is my view HarpoIV (talk) 17:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi HarpoIV and welcome to Wikipedia! What we do here is edit, not review. If you see a problem, fix it yourself. We don't have the volunteer labour to implement all the requests people make with the intention that someone else should do it.

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources so an alarm bell in your comment is that you don't cite any. You seem to be arguing based on your own experience or reasoning. This isn't what an encyclopedia does. We document the experiences of others and the reasoning of experts, by summarising reliable sources.

If you've read sources that are relevant to the topic, dive in and add them in the relevant sections of the article, with short summaries of their key points. If you want to improve what the article already says, read the existing sources given and rewrite the summaries to stick more accurately to what they say.

When you make bold edits, sometimes you get reverted. That's when you turn to the talk page: to discuss with other volunteers about your changes, whether they fit the policies and guidelines we operate by, or whether they address the issues with the article. — Bilorv (talk) 18:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

How intersectionality is playing out in practice

I'm interesting in this topic. This paper looks cool - but I couldn't get acccess: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0160597620988591?journalCode=hasa

Talpedia (talk) 20:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

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synthesis of references

For instance, black men are stereotypically perceived as violent, which may be a disadvantage in police interactions, but also as physically attractive, which may be advantageous in romantic situations.

none of these sources make any suggestion that criminality is attractive or advantageous in romantic situations, for black males or anyone else.

the Lewis studies also say nothing about intersectionality; words like "crime" or "violence" occur nowhere in them.

Pedulla (2014) does not say that black males are advantaged romantically by criminal stereotypes. His study has nothing to do with attractiveness or romance. what he says is that black males are disadvantaged by their stereotype of criminality, and that gay black men are able to transcend this disadvantage by being perceived as harmless, resulting in increased employment opportunities.

This is the conclusion of Pedulla (2014) which is linked here. anyone can bypass the paywall at www.sci-hub.se:

While extant research has explored in significant depth the ways that black men and gay men face discrimination in the labor market, less is known about how these marginalized social categories combine with one another. Building on insights from the SCM and the BIAS map, ‘‘intersectionality’’ research, and the literature on counterstereotypical information, I argue that the stereotypes associated with gay men (i.e., being effeminate) can counteract the negative stereotypes that whites often have about black men as being threatening, criminal, and violent. In turn, I expect that gay black men will fare better than straight black men when they are evaluated by whites in the job application process. The empirical findings provide support for this claim. While I find evidence of discrimination against gay white men, compared to straight white men, the effects of being gay differ by race. When I examine the evaluations of the black male applicants in the experiment, I find evidence that the gay black applicants receive higher salary recommendations than the straight black applicants. I also find support for the claim that variation in the perceived threatening nature of the gay and straight black applicants assists in accounting for this difference.

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Empirical evidence ...?

Can someone please make an effort to explain what seems to be an almost complete lack of empirical evidence for these theories? Words like "factors" are used multiple times seemingly completely divorced from any idea about mathematical factors which would describe actual attributes or relations between multiple attributes. Are these theories able to predict that Asian women in America now out-earn white men, or that African immigrants to the US seem to do better than non-immigrants with the same skin color? Do the theories actually predict effects that are beyond what a multivariate statistics would show as multiple compiled effects, or is the core of the argument that multivariate statistics should always be used when analyzing privilege and discrimination? Or do the theories not hold any predictive power at all, since this is covered so sparsly? AndersThorseth (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

It might be good to add a section on empirical confirmation of the theory - should a literature that explicitly addresses this exists. You can sort of express the concept of intersetionality mathematical as the inclusion of interaction terms RACE * GENDER * STATUS in a simple statistical model, which is to some degree "testable" and a thing that people do in statis. I suspect people who work on this theory would claim other evidence to support their theory besides statistical evidence - such as the ability to explain interactions qualitiatively in a broad range of settings. But let me avoid engaging in too much WP:FORUM, and actually ee if we can find sources to add to the article Talpedia (talk) 09:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, its really good feedback. I will see what I can find also, regarding statistics. AndersThorseth (talk) 20:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

@AndersThorseth: Just a warning about finding sources because I don't want you to go looking for sources and then have people dislike them. Of course you are free to ignore me! Directly mentioning "intersectionality" and being in a journal related to intersectionanlity and relatively recent and a secondar sourcey would be a win. I might actually target etymology because there is a bunch of mathematic language like "matrix of oppression" entering into the field. The other place you might find this sort of stuff is if statistical evidence for intersectional theories. Some of the stuff that intersectionality is difficult to quantify (sometimes I suspect "deliberately" in the sense that humanities live where science cannot). It'd be interesting if there was evidence for different interaction effects in different situationns or with different groups. One of the words that I saw in some of the literature for intersectionlity was "additive" which when mapped into statistics is to assert the absence of this "intneractive term". My suspicious as with most theories is that they are "sort of truth some of the time" rather than fully true of false - the question is always the bounds. Talpedia (talk) 21:04, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

In 2022 a paper was published in Entropy that attempted to do exactly that: it proposed a formal interpretation of intersectionality in the context of information theory and uses the idea of partial information decomposition. Briefly, when considering the information about an outcome (say, income) that is disclosed by the joint state of an individual's race and sex, intersectionality was identified with that component of the information that can only be learned when race and sex are known together (i.e. statistical synergy). Using partial information decomposition, it is possible to partial out this synergistic information from redundant and unique information.

Varley, T. F., & Kaminski, P. (2022). Untangling Synergistic Effects of Intersecting Social Identities with Partial Information Decomposition. Entropy, 24(10), Article 10. https://doi.org/10.3390/e24101387 2601:801:2:3FF0:0:0:0:393D (talk) 21:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)