Talk:Igrar Aliyev

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Controversy and Critisism Marshal, the whole section is very biased and pure POV not really fitting the standards of the Wikipedia. It was so bad that I could not edit any part of it. Igrar Aliyev could not use term "Artsakh" if he wanted to critisize "Armenianization" of the region. He used rather "NK" or just "Karabakh". Please suggest something reasonable and let's discuss before posting. As you may know, he is controversial in Azerbaijan itself and needs to have critisism reflecting the views of the Azerbaijani aacademics as well, who stood in opposition against him during his lifetime and even now. I can write that part. Thanks, --Aynabend (talk) 08:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not a section has problems is not grounds to deleting content based on reliable sources! You should have discussed your concerns here before taking such action since what you did was nothing short of vandalism. I would have assumed that you knew all this after all this time you've been here. In regards to Mr. Aliyev, I'm afraid I can't do anything to allay your vague concerns about "POV", given the fact that every serious scholar disagrees with his crackpot conspiracy theories. I've only read a few chapters of his book so far but the unhinged manner he rails on how Armenians supposedly purloined the culture of the Albanians and are essentially newcomers to the region, in contrast to every historical work written on Artsakh, suggests that the excerpts that I have quoted here are just the tip of the iceberg. He comes off as just another Bunyadov or Mamedova. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 00:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marshall, remember that foreign authors have not only critisized Azerbaijani historians in plagiarism or bad history, but also the Armenian ones. So here, were are not much different and the fact that you are doing these edits while reading I. Aliyev's books, shows once more that it is pure POV and nothing else. --Aynabend (talk) 11:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Armenian historians have never reached the level of notoriety that Azeri "scholars" have achieved and are far more reliable than their counterparts in Baku. No historian is perfect but the argument that both sides are equally bad is untenable, as even Robert Hewsen admits:

Scholars should be on guard when using Soviet and post-Soviet Azeri editions of Azeri, Persian, and even Russian and Western European sources printed in Baku. These have been edited to remove references to Armenians and have been distributed in large numbers in recent years. When utilizing such sources, the researchers should seek out pre-Soviet editions wherever possible. Armenia: A Historical Atlas. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2001, p. 291

He doesn't even want people to even consult them because it's sole objective is to falsify facts; no one can maintain the title of historian when all they do is obfuscate and in the face of historical sources try to prove that a people never existed. Jog on.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed an original research section. There are no reliable sources to accuse him of any controversy, and one cannot selectively take the quotes from his works and make his own assumptions with regard to them, that is an OR. If there any reliable third party source that criticized him, they could be used, but original research is not allowed, especially with regard to an internationally renown scholar, who is referred to in many articles in such a respected encyclopaedia as Iranica. Grandmaster 08:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first part of the "criticism" section is nothing but original research. Aliyev's interpretation of the role played by the Armenian patriarch in the abolition of the Church of Caucasian Albania is randomly presented as "contending that the Christian Armenians of Artsakh systematically erased and appropriated the Caucasian Albanians' culture as their own", whereas no such assertion is made even in the quote that follows. I also removed the word "criticism" as the section does not mention by whom Aliyev was criticised (if ever). Parishan (talk) 05:55, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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