Talk:Harold Edward Elliott
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It would be interesting to learn the truth of the story about the brigade running out of water in the Sinai from a more objective source. The British had been present and fighting in Egypt for over thirty years by then, and staff officers would have perfectly well aware of how much water men and animals needed. Even in temperate climates (eg. Britain) men will be dying after about 2 or 3 days without water, and in the Sinai Desert it must be far less than that, so they can't actually have been completely without water for very long. Even reading between the lines of the story the water was on its way, albeit half a day later than planned, and you'd have to have watched the movie "Gallipoli" a few times too many to think a British general would actually have preferred to see a few thousand of his own men die of thirst than have his beauty sleep disturbed. Maybe they had been issued with plenty but Australian discipline was poor (poor distribution, missing another arranged supply opportunity, or officers & NCOs were not drilled on the importance of making sure men obeyed instructions) so his men ran out quicker than they should have done, and Pompey threw a tantrum and allowed such a legend to grow up to cover his own or some other Australian's embarrassing cock-up. Who can say? Paulturtle (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
PTSD and suicide in lead[edit]
G'day, given the prominence of Pompey as an example of a WWI soldier with PTSD who took his own life, I would expect to see it mentioned in the lead. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:22, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 10:41, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
This article is in good shape. A few comments:
Lead
- link subaltern, second lieutenant and major general
- First Australian Imperial Force should probably just be Australian Imperial Force, that was what it was called and he didn't live to see the 2nd
- "as a candidate as a..." should probably be "as a candidate for the... in the Senate"
- Victorian Police strike should either be Victoria Police strike or Victorian police strike. Victoria Police has always been the proper name. I know, the article is incorrectly titled.
- Special Constables should be in initial lower case, also link
- should probably mention he suffered from mental illness and took his own life
Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:55, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Early life
- Harold Edward "Pompey" Elliott is a bit incongruous, as he wasn't called that until later. I'd introduce the nickname at the appropriate chronological point.
- "the farms acquired outright" there is only mention of the family farm, were there others?
- suggest putting Elsinore in quotes instead of in italics, then be consistent with the later named residences
- suggest "Australian colonial governments"
- link Other ranks (UK) and drop initial caps
- "that of hie" should be "that of his"
- link football to Australian rules football
- down on Market Street seems a bit informal
- suggest "since they would now"
Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Gallipoli campaign
- "taking particular care over the selection of officers" seems to be missing something. Maybe "with Elliott taking particular care over the selection of officers."?
- in the caption of the desert training pic, McNicol needs another L
- suggest replacing "He believed" with "Elliott believed", as we then go on to McCay's views
- suggest splitting the sentence "loyalty from his men. He acquired the nickname..."
- "the 7th Battalion moved into the positions at captured" needs a tweak
- the is an example of "the War", should probably be "the war"
Suez Canal
- drop initial cap on Evacuation
- suggest "he was appointed to command the 1st Infantry Brigade,[26] with the rank of brigadier general, vice Brigadier General Nevill Smyth, who was being promoted."
Western Front
- British Expeditionary Forcestaff
- drop caps on no man's land and link
- "Elliott was made a" - was he given these awards for Fromelles? The way it is presented, it seems that way.
- What attack was this? "Ordered to make an attack that he didn't believe would succeed, he refused" It begs the question.
- "the retreated to the Hindenburg Line" Germans?
- you could drop 1917 from "end of September 1917"
- "Elliot was mentioned in despatches." is missing a t.
- for "its "altogether astonishing valiance""?
- suggest "command of a division in favour of John"
Political service
- "With considerable justice, Elliott that he was sidelined" needs a tweak
Death
- "post traumatic stress disorder" and "major depressive disorder" don't need quotes
- the External link to Mallett's bio isn't working/timed out
- the following need a US PD tag - File:Harold Pompey Elliott portrait.jpg, File:7th Battalion AIF arrives in Egypt.jpg, File:Pompey Elliott H15590.jpg, File:Elliott's horse Darkie.jpg, File:Pompey Elliott E02855.jpg
- File:Pompey Elliott with Talbott Hobbs.jpg needs a PD-Aust tag as well as a PD US one
I'm done. Great work as usual. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:56, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, and is illustrated by appropriately licensed images with appropriate captions. Passing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Should this article be moved?[edit]
Is Harold Edward Elliott really his most commonly used name? Should this be moved over the redirect at Pompey Elliott? Or Harold Elliott (general) or similar? The-Pope (talk) 02:39, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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