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Tiananmen Square Incident needs to be properly referenced[edit]
Under the media campaign section, in the final paragraph, there's a line which reads "much the same rhetoric employed by the party during Tiananmen in 1989". Since this is referencing the Tiananmen Square protests, please refer to it as such so as not to confuse the incident with the name of the square itself. Please change this line to "much the same rhetoric employed by the party during Tiananmen Protests of 1989". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheikh25 (talk • contribs) 10:48, October 1, 2020 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 February 2024[edit]
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Change this sentence. The Washington Post reported that sources indicated not all of the Politburo Standing Committee shared Jiang's view that Falun Gong should be eradicated,
To The Washington Post reported that sources indicated not all of the Politburo Standing Committee shared Jiang's view that Falun Gong should be eradicated.
Switch out comma for period to end this sentence. Spellingmistakes (talk) 03:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Done GrayStorm(Talk|Contributions) 04:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
China Qigong Science Research Association (CQRS)[edit]
China Qigong Science Research Association (CQRS) is cited in the section History inside China: 1992–1996, but I have not been able to verify that this organization exists, although it is cited by Human Rights Watch here:
Also, I found a citation in Made in China Journal, Volume 5, Issue 2, May 2020, p126 here:
"In an at-this-point-unrelated development, in 1981 the All-China Qigong Science Research Association (中华气功科学研究会, QSRA) was established under the All-China Association of Chinese Medicine (中华全国中医学会)"
When I searched 中华气功科学研究会 on Baidu (China's version of Google (blocked in China)), I found this:
"2018年2月6日,中国气功科学研究会被民政部社会组织管理局列入非法社会组织。" 1
Which translates as:
"On February 6, 2018, the Chinese Qigong Scientific Research Association was listed as an illegal social organization by the Social Organization Administration Bureau of the Ministry of Civil Affairs (MCA)."1
However, I did find a citation to National Qigong Science and Research Organization (NQSRO) in Qigong, specifically History and origins: From 1949 to 1999: the qigong boom - maybe this is a different translation of the same association/organization? Through a web-search I found Beijng based:
Maybe the International Health Qigong Federation (IHQF) and/or National Qigong Science and Research Organization (NQSRO) were created after the CCP declared the China Qigong Science Research Association (CQRS) to be illegal.
Perhaps someone here can fill in the gaps?
Enquire (talk) 00:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Should it be categorized as a "cult"?[edit]
Some governments have categorized it as a cult, particularly China's government. Should we mention this in the categories? And also the introduction? WizardGamer775 (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- You can try this edit, but you expect to have to deal with edit warring even harassment with thier editors, as editors of Falun Gong has been using various means to deny being designated a cult by the Chinese government. 重庆轨交18 (talk) 07:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they certainly have motivated editors. But so does the Chinese government.
- Articles on topics like this should just state that there are two views, and what those views are. Like, "This is a religious movement, adherents say this, and opponents say this". The reader can read between the lines and understand for themselves that it's a cooky belief system.
- The current tone just seems off for an encyclopedia. Eg, stating the "members are instructed to lie" based on citations of second-hand reports that don't even have direct quotes stating that members are instructed to lie...
- You can still include this stuff, just say "Ex-member Susan had stated that members are instructed to lie...". That's just as effective, and comes off as more credible. 2605:B100:72E:4A89:E01C:426D:EB37:E6D5 (talk) 01:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Regarding the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China[edit]
I've just been skimming through this article and noticed this sentence in the last paragraph of the section on allegations of organ harvesting: "In June 2019, the China Tribunal — an independent tribunal set up by the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China — concluded that [...]". I attempted to do further research into this group but came up rather short in terms of reliable secondary sources assessing their credibility and neutrality. What I did notice, however, is that the article for China Tribunal notes that several Falun Gong practitioners are members of this group, citing the group's own judgements. Here's the text from the judgement, located as a footnote on page 10[1]:
"The International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China (ETAC) began in 2014 as a web platform providing a comprehensive information source on the issue of forced organ harvesting of prisoners of conscience in China. The website features independent reports, lectures, testimonies, government action, latest news, press coverage and videos. Its website says ‘ETAC is an independent, non-partisan organisation. We are not aligned with any political party, religious or spiritual group, government or any other national or international institution. Our members are from a range of backgrounds, belief systems, religions and ethnicities. We share a common commitment to supporting human rights and ending the horror of forced organ harvesting.’ It is not an organisation of Falun Gong practitioners. None of its Advisory Board members is a Falun Gong practitioner. A minority of its committee members are practitioners."
While the group states that it is independent, the presence of Falun Gong members on its committee is of interest. Should this be noted in the article, and if so, how? I do believe that further elaboration is warranted here, but this topic is well outside my wheelhouse so I will defer the issue to editors more knowledgeable on Falun Gong.
Cheers, Ethmostigmus (talk | contribs) 10:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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