Talk:Facts (Kanye West song)

On 5 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Facts (2015 song). The result of the discussion was moved to Facts (Kanye West song).

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Splitting proposal[edit]

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After one year, the consensus is against splitting the article. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 18:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I propose that this article be split into the two separate pages Facts (song) and Facts (Charlie Heat Version), since both of the songs charted and possess individual notability outside of this about composition, release etc. The promotional single and Charlie Heat Version are both large enough to have their own pages. --Kyle Peake (talk) 11:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose They're not lyrical difference, both songs share the same songwriter and producer credits albeit Charlie Heat. Nice4What (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that the two songs experienced separate releases and though have the same lyrics, a different instrumentation was used. Also both charted and other information throughout the article can be applied to only one version of them, such as West performing the Charlie Heat Version on the Saint Pablo Tour and the controversy caused by the promotional single. --Kyle Peake (talk) 08:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It's the same song. The comment is good information to provide context to the history of the use of the song. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It's different recordings one song, so unless there WP reasons like size (not applicable) all the information should stay on one page. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:45, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Agree with the users above. The comment is good information to provide context to the history of the use of the song. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 5 February 2024[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved to Facts (Kanye West song) and not moved. Respectively. It's snowing. (closed by non-admin page mover) ^Queen of _Hearts 04:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– As both songs have charted, it would be appropriate to have each song represented by their year of release. The new article names would avoid implying the notability of one song over the other. User:WoodElf 05:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — why would we use years instead of artist names? Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Artist names would be more informative and achieve the same desired effect Coalah (talk) 18:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'd say move Facts (song) to Facts (Kanye West song) per WP:SONGDAB, and oppose the 2nd move for that same reason. Paintspot Infez (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Songs has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As a general convention, this issue would be fixed by moving the West song to Facts (Kanye West song). We cannot expect readers to remember the release years of the songs, for those to be able to disambiguate them.--N Ø 18:53, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move Facts (song) to Facts (Kanye West song) per WP:SONGDAB. Oppose 2. 162 etc. (talk) 22:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move Facts (song) to Facts (Kanye West song). We don't disambiguate songs by year, but rather by musician/group/band. Steel1943 (talk) 22:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move Facts (song) to Facts (Kanye West song) per above. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move Facts (song) to Facts (Kanye West song). The Kanye song isn't famous nor hitting top 20 on the Hot 100. Chopdrop1999 (talk) 23:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is more of a compromise. I created Facts (2024 song), which will redirect to this article. Unknown0124 (talk) 02:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move Facts (song) to Facts (Kanye West song) per above. benǝʇᴉɯ 05:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support alternative per above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:16, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move Facts (song) to Facts (Kanye West song) per WP:SONGDAB. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 00:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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