Talk:Clean eating/Archive 1

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 13 January 2020 and 4 March 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Shawnad1017.

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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 March 2021 and 7 June 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Emilytran123.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:09, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

First missing heading

For my college course I needed to improve a paragraph of a Wikipedia article. I chose to edit the following paragraph. The concept of clean eating has been associated with social media platforms, especially Instagram. This term has been popularized through personal blogs of women advocating for this dietary lifestyle. More women today are relying on social media platforms for food and dietary advice from blogs that more often than not do not have any qualifications to do so. Ella Mills, Natasha Corrett, and the Hemsley sisters; are all women who used their Instagram profile to promote clean eating. By 2016 Mills and the Hemsley sisters had distanced themselves from the phrase and said they never used it. Isabellach99Isabellach99 (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Fad diet

I propose adding the definition of a fad diet as a diet that is popular for a period of time. Shawnad1017 (talk) 19:37, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

I've reverted your change. First, you can't use Wikipedia as a source in Wikipedia. Second, linking the term fad diet was sufficient. -- Pemilligan (talk) 19:02, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

i second that idea.... clean eating is bascially the same as the mediterranean diet - are we calling THAT a "fad" diet too?? Cilstr (talk) 07:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Second missing heading

added citation for orthorexia nervosa. tul54161Tul54161 (talk) 00:10, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Third missing heading

How about having a history section? 96.66.16.169 (talk) 15:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I propose adding the history of clean eating and where it originated. Shawnad1017 (talk) 19:06, 29 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shawnad1017 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Fourth missing heading

My subjection is to this article is to add more relevant information about clean eating. Also is would be good to add more information about the benefits of clean eating, lastly you should add relevant research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArelyL. (talk • contribs) 06:10, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Bibliography and possible resources to help edit this article

Hello,

I'm going to help working on this article through my English class. I have found a list of possible resources that could provide information for this article. I plan to explore these further and see if there is any information to add. I'm thinking that I will add a health benefits and diseases section, as well as add to the criticisms. I may also try to add a history section as suggested here earlier. Any feedback you can provide is greatly appreciated.

References and possible resources:

"Diverticulosis and diverticulitis." World of Health, Gale, 2007. Biography in Context, http://link.galegroup.com.butte.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/CV2191500376/BIC1?u=orov49112&xid=7edccda2. Accessed 23 Feb. 2018.

"Food Processing Industry." Gale Encyclopedia of U.S. Economic History, edited by Thomas Riggs, 2nd ed., vol. 1, Gale, 2015, pp. 450-451. Biography in Context, http://link.galegroup.com.butte.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/CX3611000324/BIC1?u=orov49112&xid=fa870349. Accessed 23 Feb. 2018.

Fjellström, Christina Maria. "Natural Foods." Encyclopedia of Food and Culture, edited by Solomon H. Katz, vol. 2, Charles Scribner's Sons, 2003, pp. 551-553. Gale Virtual Reference Library, http://link.galegroup.com.butte.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/CX3403400431/GVRL?u=orov49112&sid=GVRL&xid=ea4f9e8d. Accessed 23 Feb. 2018.

Frey, Rebecca J., and Megan Porter,. "Whole Foods Vs. Processed Foods." The Gale Encyclopedia of Alternative Medicine, edited by Laurie J. Fundukian, 4th ed., vol. 4, Gale, 2014, pp. 2562-2567. Gale Virtual Reference Library, http://link.galegroup.com.butte.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/CX3189900892/GVRL?u=orov49112&sid=GVRL&xid=49fe2930. Accessed 23 Feb. 2018.

Frey, Rebecca J., PhD, et al. "Whole Foods vs. Processed Foods." The Gale Encyclopedia of Nutrition and Food Labels, edited by Jacqueline L. Longe, Gale, 2017, pp. 577-582. Gale Virtual Reference Library, http://link.galegroup.com.butte.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/CX3645900173/GVRL?u=orov49112&sid=GVRL&xid=400a37ba. Accessed 23 Feb. 2018.

Laberge, Monique. "Diverticulosis and Diverticulitis." The Gale Encyclopedia of Senior Health: A Guide for Seniors and Their Caregivers, 2nd ed., vol. 2, Gale, 2015, pp. 783-786. Gale Virtual Reference Library, http://link.galegroup.com.butte.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/CX3622400249/GVRL?u=orov49112&sid=GVRL&xid=022a5a72. Accessed 23 Feb. 2018.

Heiharris (talk) 18:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Existing references

Hello,

Are the existing references on this article reliable sources? They are all from magazines or news sources. Should this information be found on more reliable sources? Also, reference #5 is an invalid link. I will look into trying to find more resources and look through the possible resources I before for more information.

16:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)Heiharris (talk)

Also, would reference #7 be ok because it is quoting a dietician? Heiharris (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

I think the sources are sound but by all means start to add additional sources or raise on this page doubts you have about the existing sources. Please remember that the article is about the idea of clean eating as a fad diet and not about whole foods which has a separate article. One of the purposes of the article is to warn people that "clean eating" as a concept may be scientifically flawed. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:01, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Update citation #4

I am trying to update citation #4 as it is an invalid link. I thought this may be a good replacement source- https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/foodanddrink/why-the-hemsley-sisters-and-deliciously-ella-are-turning-their-backs-on-the-cleaneating-fad-a3436786.html. Would this be a good source for this? Also, I am unable to edit the sources as it is a template. If it is a viable source, how do I go about making that change? Heiharris (talk) 15:39, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

@Heiharris: You can use the archive.org version of the page -

https://web.archive.org/web/20170628034629/http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/features/is-clean-eating-the-best-approach-to-better-health

Using the visual editor, you can click on the reference in edit mode (click on the number [4] in the text, not down at the bottom of the page) and then click on the "edit" button. Scroll down to the box that says "Archive URL" and fill in that url. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Criticism?

Besides a lack of calcium what other valid criticisms are there? I'm genuinely curious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:8782:32DF:E13F:1906:5A23:626F (talk) 22:15, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I added a paragraph describing the possible advantages clean eating can have on somebody's life. While there are problems associated with clean eating, it is important to note the positives that this trend has. I simply added a short paragraph describing those nutritional and lifestyle positives that can come from clean eating. Tuj53916Tuj53916 (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I added a section about clean eating as it pertains to current eating trends. Adding information about who influences clean eating trends provides a more well rounded understanding of how it has impacted society and views on dieting. I also added a picture and expanded on the information provided in the section about orthorexia nervosa and what clean eating encompasses. I wanted to add more information about clean eating and provide a non-bias perspectives. Adia Xaba151.196.165.32 (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Non-neutral POV

"One of the purposes of the article is to warn people that "clean eating" as a concept may be scientifically flawed."

The above is a quote from this talk page. It seems to me the article expends more effort in warning than it actually does explaining. An encyclopedia, and a high SEO on at that, should inform as to the nature of a thing before anything else. Compare for example to this more informative explanation from the Mayo Clinic:

Clean eating involves a few key principles that align with basic principles of healthy eating: Eat more real foods. Sound familiar? One of the tenets of the Mayo Clinic Diet is eating more real foods and fewer processed or refined foods. Convenience food is OK, sometimes even necessary, just make sure that what's in that can or package is the real thing with few other ingredients. Eat for nourishment. Eat regular, balanced meals and healthy snacks that are nourishing and not too rushed. Eat at home more often and prepare food in healthy ways. Pack food to eat away from home when on the road, at work or at activities. When you do eat out, choose wisely. Eat more plant-based foods. Ramp up on plants by eating more plant-based proteins, such as beans, lentils and peas, and high-protein whole grains, like quinoa, barley and buckwheat.

I understand that Wikipedia doesn't rely on experts, but it shouldn't actively ignore them 2604:2D80:DE11:1300:ACEB:1996:728E:9C71 (talk) 04:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

References

I think the article does a good job of balancing the good and bad things said about the subject. Comparing a wiki editor's opinion which is not in the article to the content of a source cited in the article makes for a pretty weak point. (And you might want to brush up on WP:COPYVIO and not copy & paste so much text.) As to what an encyclopedia should do, consider that WP:PURPOSE says, The goal of a Wikipedia article is to present a neutrally written summary of existing mainstream knowledge in a fair and accurate manner with a straightforward, "just-the-facts style". -- Pemilligan (talk) 23:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

@Philafrenzy: Would you like to respond since you are being quoted? -- Pemilligan (talk) 23:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

I haven't made a significant edit to the page since 2019 but I agree that the article should define the subject using reliable sources. It does so in the lead but should also do so in a separate section in the body, which I will start and others can refine. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2022 (UTC)