Talk:Anime music video/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Regarding the AMV Community section once again...

Please see this page for Wikipedia's policy on what Wikipedia is not: What Wikipedia is not!

As you can see it clearly says it is not a publisher of original thought. Throughout this article on AMVs I see comments on what people think is within the copyright laws with no references. I see people posting famous examples of AMVs. I see people posting a lot of generalized opinions. All of these things cannot be backed up or have no proper references attatched to them.

This article started as a simple factual description of what an AMV is.

For reference: Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_Is. Ecpcorran 22:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm removing the opinions and interpretations; hopefully, we can restore some sanity. -Yipdw 23:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the "AMV creation" section seems like it should also go. To illustrate these examples, we'd really have to link to some videos that utilize those techniques, and until we find those, that section, too, is unverifiable hogwash. Yes? No? -Yipdw 23:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Listing AMVs that use these examples is very easy to find.. But I'm not sure a list of AMVs belongs on the Wiki anyway.. Perhaps a separate page on video editing techniques, and a link to that instead? (I agree it has no use here)

History

It'd be nice if someone knowledgeable could add something on the history of AMVs; I suspect the practice came from Japan, but as it stands, the article doesn't seem to say anything one way or other. --Gwern (contribs) 02:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the history of AMVs, there's an interview with Jeff Tatarek at http://www.frontrowcrew.com/?p=264. -Jhar 216.255.101.58 14:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Apocalypse Pooh

The first known AMV ever created was Apocalypse Pooh, which was created in 1987, incorporating footage from the classic Winnie the Pooh cartoons with audio from the classic 1979 road film Apocalypse Now.

This was recently removed from the article. As a Google search or search of Youtube reveals, this apparently is very real, but alas, there are no solid sources that identify this as a AMV, nor that it was the very first one, either American, Japanese, or from anyone. It may well be true, but it would seem to be OR in two ways. --Gwern (contribs) 23:31 19 January 2007 (GMT)

I removed it again because it clearly is NOT a Music-Video, nor does it have anything to do with music and anime. This is not an article about two things somehow cut together, but about AMVs. Ap2000 13:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Citation Needed

Concerning this part:

Also due to copyright laws, AMV's are no longer allowed on Youtube, meaning it is extremely difficult to upload one. Google Video is a similar category of site as YouTube which shares many of the same advantages, drawbacks, and characteristics as YouTube. Also as of December 1, 2007 AMV's on YouTube will be deleted and any future uploads beyond December 1 will be rejected.

I've lurked google and Youtube and came back with nothing.

68.123.155.254 05:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I'm getting the same result as you are. For now, it's basically an Internet rumor. However, given the nature of copyright and the recent request of the Japanese government asking to crack down on fansubbing, there is a likelihood of this new policy becoming reality. Best to keep an eye on the issue for the news few days, I guess. KyuuA4 05:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

- Found a source, yet it isn't reliable in the slightest. It doesn't even say where it got the information. So it's just a rumor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan (talk • contribs) 23:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Term?

Pardon, I recall that there is a Japanese word for their own style of anime-based music videos. While I do not recall what the word is right now, would it be worth looking up and posting that? Also, perhaps some text on the differences between American and Japanese AMVs?

Just some suggestions, as I have little information to provide, but was saddened by how short this article seems to be. Lareon 06:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Most japanese AMV I have seen seems to be labelled MAD so maybe it's the term you are looking for ? Btw the average japanese AMV seems to be of way higher quality than the average western AMV, and fans don't hesitate before creating theur own content instead of borrowing it - for example the 'Nakanai Kimi to Nageki no Sekai' for Higurashi no naku koro ni use fanarts and a song that was especially written and sung for this AMV.

Watching a bunch of MADs from YouTube, yes, they sure do look to have some better quality. However, I've seen some "MADs" which composed nothing more than just -- clips from anime with music. In other words, those look like AMVs. Then again, it was started with the Osaka University of Arts and Music. So, to produce something as good as a MAD, one needs some good background into Graphic Arts or something of that nature. Any American with the skills can produce some of similar quality. As for the meaning of MAD, there is no acronym known so far. KyuuA4 21:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Origin of the term MAD mentioned here: [1]. Seems to be derived from the name on the tape of an early release in Japan. 71.202.16.59 (talk) 23:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

No merger with Vidding article

For future reference: There was a proposed merger with the Vidding article; the final decision opposed merging. See Talk:Vidding for the discussion. Elatb (talk) 01:29, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge with MAD Movie

Approve I believe these two things are closely related if not the same thing by different cultures. --Calvin (talk) 19:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Don't merge, but wait for expansion MAD is not AMV. Some MADs can be called AMVs but they're not related. This can be explained easily by asking question: "How do you explain a MAD that contains no material or song from anime or game?"--OshareMajo (talk) 05:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Don't Merge I agree that MAD is not AMV. Maybe a larger topic could encompass both, but I see that article as being too large. There are major differences in each. Etownunder (talk) 04:20, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Could Machinima be a technique?

Would machinima be used in Game-based AMV's? 68.147.223.143 03:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No There is already an article for Machinima and I dont think those are appropriate here. However Western cartoon videos could be a subtype of AMV Etownunder (talk) 04:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

GMVs?

Do you think it is worth noting that an AMV that uses clips from a videogame is called a GMV? (Game Music Video) I've heard this term used a lot in the past, and as far as I can tell it's the official name for such things.~Sana (talk) 16:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

make a new article? this sounds like a good topic for a new article Etownunder (talk) 04:31, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Not really. Such an article is even more niche and specialized and difficult to show notability for than AMVs. I would predict such an article would be deleted or merged back here within a year. --Gwern (contribs) 04:55 10 August 2010 (GMT)

I see your point, GMV's are more Machinima than Anime anyways. I think if it's an AMV that uses some video game clips it would still be called an AMV. Etownunder (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

AMV Hell

No mention of AMV Hell or the large following it has? Sierraoffline444 (talk) 05:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Is there any coverage of AMV Hell by reliable sources in relation to its influences on AMVs in general? —Farix (t | c) 02:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I understand the policy in regards to both questions here. The thing is, AMV Hell has a large following that's seen mostly at conventions. The problem with "reliable sources" overall, it, well, some things just happen in the Universe for no reason. I'm just stating that, not for or against, pro or con, and I'm not adding anything to the article. As I've written, I understand the need for the reliable sources, and the user who started this section knew enough to not alter (to the best of my knowledge) the article, so it's something to acknowledge. If curious, http://www.amvhell.com and http://www.amvblitz.net Apple8800 (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

No "pirated"-content AMV's in DE, but in US???

I've experienced, that many AMV are accesible only from the US (via a proxy), but when i try to access them the usual way (I'm livin in Germny), youtube says that this vid contains copyrigthed material from this and that music corp. Anyone knows why?--Baruch ben Alexander - ☠☢☣ 05:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

More like something that should posted elsewhere, if at all on Wikipedia. In America, corporations and governments answer to Hollywood companies (my opinion). It seems that seven Hollywood companies own everything. Now, for reasons known only to the RIAA, MPAA, and IDSA, if we sample or alter something for parody or sharing, we're "infringing" on their "ownership". For and AMV that has a whole song, I can see that (I don't support it, but I understand it), but if something's a clip, I don't see how anything is infringed, but that's my take on it. I recommend searching for this topic and its answers, perhaps, in a copyright and trademark article on Wikipedia, or just searching the Internet overall. I am not a lawyer. Apple8800 (talk) 18:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

asp

Boris, you may find it helpful to google for 'youtube germany copyright'. --Gwern (contribs) 15:15 30 March 2011 (GMT)

Wow

I removed quite a bit of the article that had no relevance, was redundant and generally wasn't informative. Please comment on the talk page on if you think it was really necessary. Zero Serenity (talk) 20:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Non anime AMVs

Although AMV stands for "anime music video", I doubt that it is limited to anime. So how should the article be changed to cover more types of animation?

Funny. I've been contending with anime fans to extend the term "anime" to include non-Japanese works. KyuuA4 20:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Well there is no such thing as a CMV, I guess we should extend definition, like how comic books was limited only to comedy cartoon strips at first and later expanded to other genres.Worlder 22:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Meh, call them "Animation Music Videos" if they use Western sources. Works just as well. PrePressChris 19:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I always preferred "Amateur Music Video" as this can cover anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.102.129.37 (talk) 00:30, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Re: "AMV community", "famous AMVs"

Here's the first, obvious nitpick: Proper pluralization in English (which you SHOULD use, since you're on the English Wikipedia) is "AMVs." Not "AMV's." In a similar fashion, "criteria" is plural already. Singular is "criterion."

Second: The sections I removed lack any sort of factual reference whatsoever; they read like someone's brain-dump on animemusicvideos.org both in style and substance, listing not much more than personal opinion. The statements about low-quality footage reflecting incompetence, footage overuse, and categorization are great cases. The statement on AMV legality is even better, giving no real information whatsoever, except for a guess.

Guesses don't belong on Wikipedia. If you disagree, see Wikipedia policies.

Third: The section on "famous AMVs" exists solely for ego masturbation, which has no place on Wikipedia. The rule against "ego articles" makes that quite clear. -Yipdw 22:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Does anybody read this discussion page? Plenty of pages (YTMND notably) include 'famous' lists, and AMVs have at least some all-stars. Certainly (off the top of my head, as an Eva fan) you should include Jesmaster's Neon Genesis Evangelion video to Weird Al Polka, and Caldwell's Evangelion video to Engel? Staxringold 04:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

See my reply to Michael Hopcroft's comment. -Yipdw 08:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you are being entirely fair. One could make a case for not having AMV articles at all on this basis, which is of course absurd. Besides, doesn't the term "ego article" inply a personal stake on the part of the contributor? That is not the case here. I wonder if a revert might be possible until there is a consensus one way or the other? Michael Hopcroft 06:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

One could make a case for not having AMV articles at all on this basis, which is of course absurd.

How would that case be made? The AMV article itself attempts to describe a widespread artform. It does not (or, well, should not) glamorize any specific entity. Content of that sort seems better suited for separate (edit: that is, not here) Biggest and Best lists. (edit 2: Like the ones that already exist at AnimeMusicVideos.org.)

Besides, doesn't the term "ego article" inply a personal stake on the part of the contributor?

The term "ego article" does not necessarily imply a personal stake on behalf of the contributor. If the content is obscure enough, casual linking can be made to serve the ego of the creator of the material being linked -- see vanity guidelines. What constitutes "obscure enough" is obviously up for debate, but I clearly feel quite strongly that AMVs fall into that category. I'll admit that my initial objection was too strongly worded, though. -Yipdw 08:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. Lists of 'major party' US politicians aren't ego masturbation for those parties, there are clearly defined parties that are more successful than others. Fame in the AMV world isn't quite as clear cut, but is still pretty obvious (again, the two examples I gave) Staxringold 10:58, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

...what about the AMV Hell series? It has a bit of a following... 74.32.237.31 (talk) 19:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know who included the list of Famous AMVs, but I wanted to puke when I read it. After looking them up it seems obvious that aside from caramelldansen the person who edited the page is the same guy who made those AMVs. There ain't no way on this green earth that those 2 AMVs are gonna represent the entirety of AMVkind. Instead I'm replacing them with the top AMVs from the AnimeMusicVideo.org "top 10% of videos for all time list", which makes a hell of a lot more sense to me.--Wanabedamned (talk) 09:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Oddly enough, these two AMVs were NOT made by the same person. They were just two of three AMVs that just so happen to be someone's favorite, so he/she listed them as "Famous Amvs" even though they are not even close to that status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msupperron (talk • contribs) 04:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Oldest AMV on Youtube

Found here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.21.201.169 (talk) 00:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Copyright status of AMVs

Can someone include information about the copyright status of AMVs? Meelar (talk) 23:00, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

There's a developing article at AMVWiki's AMV ethics article (shameless plug, I know, but it's appropriate in this case). It's not a full discussion of all involved laws and there's a lot that could be added, but it does get the point across. Perhaps some sort of link to that article might work? -Yipdw 23:14, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Astonishingly, AMV/copyright discussion tends to dwell on the video clips - it is relatively unusual to mention the point that typically a complete piece of music owned by a Western copyright holder is used without permission!

It's a tricky subject, and one that apparently leads to a lot of heated debates and messages bouncing back and forth, I've seen.. In general, it depends on which question you're asking.. How do copyright laws concern the making of AMVs, or how do they concern the DISTRIBUTION of them? Concerning making them, there's nothing at all infringing or illegal about an AMV, provided you own the materials used to make it.. Distributing them IS another story, and that's where the debate lies..

I'm sure some will rise up to oppose my words here, but the legality of the video lies in who made it, has it been licensed outside of Japan (Due to a few differences in copyright law there), or has the author officially expressed permission, as some have? The audio can be even trickier.. Many AMV makers will use songs from local bands (Or some famous ones) with permission to distribute them, which makes them legal to distribute.. Some AMVs use other free-to-distribute songs.. A few of Boa's works come to mind, but anyway.. Most AMVs, however, are indeed made using songs they don't have permission to distribute.. Meaning, of course, that you can't distribute a copy of them to anyone who doesn't legally own the song.. To avoid this, I (And some others) will only distribute my AMVs with legitimate copies of the music artists' CDs.. It promotes their music and lets me get my AMVs out there without any fear whatsoever.. (I'm also choosy about what video I use)

Because the United States does technically respect Japanese copyrights, it is not legal on those grounds to create AMV. But what this article fails to state is that the Fair Use rules protect satire (parodies). The problem is whether or not the Fair Use provision protects AMVs for this purpose. Although it seems like it logically would, there have been legal threats made but no official court ruling in the US has been made. If anyone knows anything more recent please respond.

There's nothing 'technically' about it. They both signed the Berne convention. --Gwern (contribs) 02:02 21 February 2007 (GMT)

AMV TV Show?

There have been rumors of a TV showcasing AMV's, so I went and check it out and there is in deed a TV show. The show is called 'Anime Fun TV' it’s supposedly only in San Antonio, as its apart of its public access programming. Thus far, they clam they are the first and only show showcasing AMV'S. There web address is http://www.animefuntv.com I don’t know if its worth mentioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.152.194 (talk) 02:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Multi-Editor Projects

There should be mention of the "evolution" of AMV editing becoming more of a community effort with the creation of Multi-Editor Projects (M.E.P). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.210.42 (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Academic source

If anyone is feeling energetic, Google Books has a book which is a large academic source. It devotes something like 34 pages to music videos and AMVs in particular. From skimming through, it looks like it can reference most of the stuff in this article and add a fair bit of content. --Gwern (contribs) 01:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)