Talk:2023 Finnish parliamentary election
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Apparently no 100-100 split[edit]
The article text contains:
”Five Government parties and four opposition parties finished with seats in parliament split dead even, 100–100.”
From the number of seats won, I can only reach 43 + 23 + 13 + 11 + 9 = 99 seats for the current, “old” coalition.
What is the article’s statement based on?Redav (talk) 11:20, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Mats Löfström is part of the Ruotsalainen eduskuntaryhmä parliamentary group (together with RKP), and supports the current government. Cilidus (talk) 12:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- [A] Still, according to the table, the five government parties as mentioned in the article (cf. the sentence in quotes below) only add up to 99 seats, not 100.
- [B] The article mentions:
- ”Following the 2019 Finnish parliamentary election, the Social Democratic Party of Finland (SDP), led by Antti Rinne, formed the Rinne Cabinet with KESK, Green League (VIHR), Left Alliance (VAS), and the Swedish People's Party of Finland (SFP), with Antti Rinne serving as the prime minister of Finland.”
- I fail to see any mention here of Mats Löfström or the Ruotsalainen eduskuntaryhmä parliamentary group (together with RKP).
- Now, Löfström may be supporting the government coalition, but - unless I am mistaken - neither Löfström nor the Ruotsalainen eduskuntaryhmä parliamentary group is in the coalition group of five parties mentioned above. Is the sentence in quotes incomplete? Or is Löfström supporting yet outside the coalition?Redav (talk) 12:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- This is a slight oversight on Wikipedia editors' part. The government of Finland is responsible to the parliament, and as such the government parties are the parties in parliament which support the government. The parties represented in parliament are organized in parliamentary groups, which for all other groups consist of the MPs which are members of the same party. The Ruotsalainen eduskuntaryhmä (the "Swedish Parliamentary Group") consists of RKP's nine members as well as Åland's MP (currently Löfström), and as such it is the only parliamentary group not to follow this rule. When discussing parliamentary affairs, the name of the parties are normally used for simplicity, rather than the name of the parliamentary group, which is why Löfström was forgotten about. I believe the best way to resolve this – without putting too much focus on Löfström and parliamentary group technicalities – would be with an EFN noting that Löfström is affiliated with the RKP, even though he is not a member. I would say that
"and the Swedish People's Party of Finland (RKP),[a]"
) would suffice. Is this an acceptable solution?
- This is a slight oversight on Wikipedia editors' part. The government of Finland is responsible to the parliament, and as such the government parties are the parties in parliament which support the government. The parties represented in parliament are organized in parliamentary groups, which for all other groups consist of the MPs which are members of the same party. The Ruotsalainen eduskuntaryhmä (the "Swedish Parliamentary Group") consists of RKP's nine members as well as Åland's MP (currently Löfström), and as such it is the only parliamentary group not to follow this rule. When discussing parliamentary affairs, the name of the parties are normally used for simplicity, rather than the name of the parliamentary group, which is why Löfström was forgotten about. I believe the best way to resolve this – without putting too much focus on Löfström and parliamentary group technicalities – would be with an EFN noting that Löfström is affiliated with the RKP, even though he is not a member. I would say that
- ^ Including Mats Löfström, who caucuses with the RKP.
Movement now went up a seat[edit]
Shouldn't the article show that movement now gained a seat compared to the last election, since Harkimo didn't win the seat as a member of the party until now? That is how Yle has put it. MamboWiking (talk) 07:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- My understanding is that MN de facto won the seat in 2019. While it wasn't a registered party, the seat was contested as though it was a political party. It isn't a situation where the seat was won by a genuinely independent candidate, who then later switched to the party. For those reasons I think saying that the party gained a seat is more of a technicality than a reflection of reality. Gust Justice (talk) 20:25, 4 April 2023 (UTC)