Talk:2012 World Rally Championship

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On the teams and drivers section, by putting the cars toguethers, it get's trickly to read the separative lines of each team. Shouldn't be separated properly or have the "car" column move to the right or left?

MNSZ (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ott Tänak[edit]

He has Go Fast stickers for Rally Sweden, but I think he still brings points to M-Sport. So it's not correct atm. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I expect you're right. He's still shown on the entry list as being entered by M-Sport so I doubt they would change that at the last minute. - mspete93 17:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Although maybe something should be mentioned under "Team and driver changes"? Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is necessary to be honest. Just because he happens to have the same sponsors stickers for one weekend only, doesn't make him part of that team. Ken Block has been entered under the Stobart M-Sport banner in the past, while still in regular Monster colours. The M-Sport press release is here: http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/953-taenak-joins-go-fast-for-sweden It only talks about him 'promoting the Go Fast brand', not representing their team. - mspete93 17:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neuville's number[edit]

Someone keeps editing the page to show that Thierry Neuville is driving car #8. This is a problem, because it lists him as having driven car #8 in Monte Carlo, Sweden and in Mexico. However, the rest of the article clearly states that Delecour drove car #8 in Monte Carlo, and Solowow drove it in Sweden. Theirry was #23 in Monte Carlo and #18 in Sweden. Therefore, all three need to be shown because two men cannot drive a car with the same number. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:45, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neuville and the Citroen Junior Team (together with Adapta) do not begin as a manufacturer-registered team until Mexico, so that's where the problem arises. I think if you look on the entry lists his entries in Monte Carlo and Sweden were made under his own name. Therefore a simple solution would be to move his entries for those two rallies out into the non-manufacturer-registered section and put them under his own name. - mspete93 11:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If we show all the numbers of Neuville, shall we do so for Østberg, Ogier, (in the future) Abbring and Mikkelsen, etc? The table will become a mess. On pages of the previous seasons, only one number is shown for one driver, unless he drives for more than one team. Icelan (talk) 11:46, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"It looks better this way" is not a valid argument. Like I said, the table currently insinuates that Neuville drove car #8 at Monte Carlo and in Sweden, when we know Delecour drove #8 in Monte Carlo and Solowow drove it in Sweden. That's a contradiction that we can't have. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have had to keep restoring content to the page. Neuville drove car #23 in Monte Carlo and car #18 in Sweden. We can prove this with the entry lists. So, to whoever keeps editing Neuville's entry down to a single line, please stop - what you are doing is factually incorrect. Somebody else drove car #18 in Monte Carlo. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:31, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Manufacturer Teams/Drivers[edit]

I was checking that the Adapta World Rally Team Entry, was only for rallys 3 and 5 (Mexico and Argentina), but Mads Ostberg is listed as Manufacture Driver for all of his entrys. On other Hand, Thierry Neuville isn't listed as Manufacture on Rally 1 and 2 (witch is ok). The Question is why only consider the non-manufacture rally for some and other don't? Bye!!! MNSZ (talk) 01:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited that now and the info is correct. How do you think it looks? FinnishF1Fan (talk) 22:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The table looks confusing now. I think you need to explain what the dashes stand for and why a driver has a car number in some rounds while not in others. Icelan (talk) 03:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Car Numbers[edit]

I think that the World Rally Championship entries table shouldn't show all of the car numbers the drivers have driven. For example, for Rally Finland Ketomaa, Prokop, Ogier and Mikkelsen are getting new numbers. Especially the Volkswagen drivers seem to get a different number to every rally.

The car numbers aren't even that important in WRC, at least for non-manufacturer crews.

I suggest we should mark to the driver's number either – or the number he has used most. What do you think?

FinnishF1Fan (talk) 22:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need consensus before you do it. You can't just wipe information out of the article because you don't think it's relevant. You should either keep all of the numbers in place, or none of them - in which case the entries should be groups alphbetically by manufacturer, then by team, and then by driver. Not by the number of events they have entered.
So, this is what the table will look like (for the manufacturer entries, at least):
Manufacturer teams
Constructor Car Team Tyre Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC France Citroën Total World Rally Team[1] M France Sébastien Loeb[1] Monaco Daniel Elena 1–8
Finland Mikko Hirvonen[2] Finland Jarmo Lehtinen[2] 1–8
France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[3] M Belgium Thierry Neuville[4] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 3–6, 8
Qatar Qatar World Rally Team[5][6] M Qatar Nasser Al-Attiyah[7] Italy Giovanni Bernacchini[7] 2–6
Australia Chris Atkinson[8] Belgium Stéphane Prévot 8
Belgium Thierry Neuville[9] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 7
Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC Norway Adapta World Rally Team[3][10] M Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 3–6, 8
Brazil Brazil World Rally Team[12] M Brazil Daniel Oliveira[13] Portugal Carlos Magalhães 4–6
Austria Manfred Stohl[14] Austria Ilka Minor[15] 7
United Kingdom Ford World Rally Team[16][17] M Finland Jari-Matti Latvala[18] Finland Miikka Anttila 1–4, 6–8
Norway Petter Solberg[19] United Kingdom Chris Patterson 1–8
Spain Dani Sordo[20] Spain Carlos del Barrio[20] 5
United Kingdom M-Sport Ford World Rally Team[17] M France François Delecour[21] France Dominique Savignoni 1
Netherlands Dennis Kuipers[22] Belgium Robin Buysmans 4
Russia Evgeny Novikov[17] France Denis Giraudet 1–8
Poland Michał Sołowow[5] Poland Maciek Baran 2
Estonia Ott Tänak[17] Estonia Kuldar Sikk 1–8
Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC Portugal WRC Team Mini Portugal[3][23] 1 M Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 2–8
Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 2–8
Alternatively, the table could be arranged by constructor, then by team, then by events in sequentual order (with drivers who complete all events listed at the top for each team). Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:50, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That table is pretty good but it has no information of which drivers have scored manufactures' points. The table's name is ‘Manufacturer teams’. If we don't tell which drivers have actually scored for manufactures, it is useless to have two sections (manufacturer and major entries). This table was my first idea and I think it looks the most attractive and informative when we add a note telling what the car numbers and – mean.
Manufacturer teams
Team Constructor Car Tyre No. Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
France Citroën Total World Rally Team[1] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 1 France Sébastien Loeb[1] Monaco Daniel Elena 1–8
2 Finland Mikko Hirvonen[2] Finland Jarmo Lehtinen[2] 1–8
United Kingdom Ford World Rally Team[24][17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 3 Finland Jari-Matti Latvala[25] Finland Miikka Anttila 1–4, 6–8
Spain Dani Sordo[20] Spain Carlos del Barrio[20] 5
4 Norway Petter Solberg[19] United Kingdom Chris Patterson 1–8
United Kingdom M-Sport Ford World Rally Team[17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 5 Estonia Ott Tänak[17] Estonia Kuldar Sikk 1–8
6 Russia Evgeny Novikov[17] France Denis Giraudet 1–8
– France François Delecour[21] France Dominique Savignoni 1
– Poland Michał Sołowow[5] Poland Maciek Baran 2
– Netherlands Dennis Kuipers[22] Belgium Robin Buysmans 4
Qatar Qatar World Rally Team[5][6] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 7 Qatar Nasser Al-Attiyah[7] Italy Giovanni Bernacchini[7] 2–6
Belgium Thierry Neuville[9] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 7
Australia Chris Atkinson[8] Belgium Stéphane Prévot 8
France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[3] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 8 Belgium Thierry Neuville[4] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 3–6, 8
– 1–2
Brazil Brazil World Rally Team[12] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 9 Brazil Daniel Oliveira[13] Portugal Carlos Magalhães 4–6
Austria Manfred Stohl[14] Austria Ilka Minor[15] 7
Norway Adapta World Rally Team[3][10] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 10 Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 3, 5, 8
– 2, 4, 6
– Norway Eyvind Brynildsen[10] Norway Cato Menkerud[5] 2
Portugal WRC Team Mini Portugal[3][23] 1 Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 2–8
14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 2–8
Portugal Armindo Araújo World Rally Team[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 1
Brazil Palmeirinha Rally[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 1
United Kingdom Mini WRC Team[27] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 37 Spain Dani Sordo[27] Spain Carlos del Barrio 1
52 France Pierre Campana[27] France Sabrina de Castelli 1
The reason I want to keep car numbers for manufacturer teams is that FIA have given those numbers to those teams. You can't see a privateer driving a car number 3 or 6 for example. Alternatively, we could move the driver's not scoring manufactures points to the below section ‘Major entries not registered as manufacturers’ like this:
Manufacturer teams
Team Constructor Car Tyre No. Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
France Citroën Total World Rally Team[1] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 1 France Sébastien Loeb[1] Monaco Daniel Elena 1–8
2 Finland Mikko Hirvonen[2] Finland Jarmo Lehtinen[2] 1–8
United Kingdom Ford World Rally Team[28][17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 3 Finland Jari-Matti Latvala[29] Finland Miikka Anttila 1–4, 6–8
Spain Dani Sordo[20] Spain Carlos del Barrio[20] 5
4 Norway Petter Solberg[19] United Kingdom Chris Patterson 1–8
United Kingdom M-Sport Ford World Rally Team[17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 5 Estonia Ott Tänak[17] Estonia Kuldar Sikk 1–8
6 Russia Evgeny Novikov[17] France Denis Giraudet 1–8
Qatar Qatar World Rally Team[5][6] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 7 Qatar Nasser Al-Attiyah[7] Italy Giovanni Bernacchini[7] 2–6
Belgium Thierry Neuville[9] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 7
Australia Chris Atkinson[8] Belgium Stéphane Prévot 8
France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[3] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 8 Belgium Thierry Neuville[4] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 3–6, 8
Brazil Brazil World Rally Team[12] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 9 Brazil Daniel Oliveira[13] Portugal Carlos Magalhães 4–6
Austria Manfred Stohl[14] Austria Ilka Minor[15] 7
Norway Adapta World Rally Team[3][10] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 10 Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 3, 5, 8
Portugal WRC Team Mini Portugal[3][23] 1 Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 2–8
14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 2–8
Portugal Armindo Araújo World Rally Team[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 1
Brazil Palmeirinha Rally[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 1
United Kingdom Mini WRC Team[27] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 37 Spain Dani Sordo[27] Spain Carlos del Barrio 1
52 France Pierre Campana[27] France Sabrina de Castelli 1
Major entries not registered as manufacturers
Norway Adapta World Rally Team[3][10] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M – Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 2, 4, 6
– Norway Eyvind Brynildsen[10] Norway Cato Menkerud[5] 2
United Kingdom M-Sport Ford World Rally Team[17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M – France François Delecour[21] France Dominique Savignoni 1
– Poland Michał Sołowow[5] Poland Maciek Baran 2
– Netherlands Dennis Kuipers[22] Belgium Robin Buysmans 4
France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[3] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M – Belgium Thierry Neuville[4] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 1–2
FinnishF1Fan (talk) 10:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But you can't leave those other numbers blank. That implies that some drivers have a number and others do not, and there is no explanation for the difference. Furthermore, you want to introduce that difference for cosmetic purposes, which is effectively censorship and Wikipedia is not censored. We either keep all of the numbers or none of there. There is no middle ground. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 00:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Okay then, we leave the car numbers to the table. But to clarify which drivers were scoring for manufactures', I suggest making it like this:
Manufacturer teams
Team Constructor Car Tyre No. Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
France Citroën Total World Rally Team[1] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 1 France Sébastien Loeb[1] Monaco Daniel Elena 1–8
2 Finland Mikko Hirvonen[2] Finland Jarmo Lehtinen[2] 1–8
United Kingdom Ford World Rally Team[30][17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 3 Finland Jari-Matti Latvala[31] Finland Miikka Anttila 1–4, 6–8
Spain Dani Sordo[20] Spain Carlos del Barrio[20] 5
4 Norway Petter Solberg[19] United Kingdom Chris Patterson 1–8
United Kingdom M-Sport Ford World Rally Team[17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 5 Estonia Ott Tänak[17] Estonia Kuldar Sikk 1–8
6 Russia Evgeny Novikov[17] France Denis Giraudet 1–8
Qatar Qatar World Rally Team[5][6] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 7 Qatar Nasser Al-Attiyah[7] Italy Giovanni Bernacchini[7] 2–6
Belgium Thierry Neuville[9] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 7
Australia Chris Atkinson[8] Belgium Stéphane Prévot 8
France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[3] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 8 Belgium Thierry Neuville[4] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 3–6, 8
Brazil Brazil World Rally Team[12] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 9 Brazil Daniel Oliveira[13] Portugal Carlos Magalhães 4–6
Austria Manfred Stohl[14] Austria Ilka Minor[15] 7
Norway Adapta World Rally Team[3][10] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 10 Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 3, 5, 8
Portugal WRC Team Mini Portugal[3][23] 1 Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 2–8
14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 2–8
Portugal Armindo Araújo World Rally Team[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 1
Brazil Palmeirinha Rally[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 1
United Kingdom Mini WRC Team[27] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 37 Spain Dani Sordo[27] Spain Carlos del Barrio 1
52 France Pierre Campana[27] France Sabrina de Castelli 1
Major entries not registered as manufacturers
United Kingdom M-Sport Ford World Rally Team[17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 8 France François Delecour[21] France Dominique Savignoni 1
Poland Michał Sołowow[5] Poland Maciek Baran 2
18 Netherlands Dennis Kuipers[22] Belgium Robin Buysmans 4
Norway Adapta World Rally Team[3][10] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 10 Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 2, 4, 6
64 Norway Eyvind Brynildsen[10] Norway Cato Menkerud[5] 2
France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[3] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 18 Belgium Thierry Neuville[4] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 2
23 1
FinnishF1Fan (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I actually quite like the idea of leaving the numbers out entirely and moving the coumns around a bit. It should make the table much easier to read. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:49, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to separate the tables as in manufactures the Team is more important than the car. But the privateers can be sorted by the car. So this is what I mean:
Manufacturer teams
Team Constructor Car Tyre No. Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
France Citroën Total World Rally Team[1] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 1 France Sébastien Loeb[1] Monaco Daniel Elena 1–8
2 Finland Mikko Hirvonen[2] Finland Jarmo Lehtinen[2] 1–8
United Kingdom Ford World Rally Team[32][17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 3 Finland Jari-Matti Latvala[33] Finland Miikka Anttila 1–4, 6–8
Spain Dani Sordo[20] Spain Carlos del Barrio[20] 5
4 Norway Petter Solberg[19] United Kingdom Chris Patterson 1–8
United Kingdom M-Sport Ford World Rally Team[17] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 5 Estonia Ott Tänak[17] Estonia Kuldar Sikk 1–8
6 Russia Evgeny Novikov[17] France Denis Giraudet 1–8
Qatar Qatar World Rally Team[5][6] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 7 Qatar Nasser Al-Attiyah[7] Italy Giovanni Bernacchini[7] 2–6
Belgium Thierry Neuville[9] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 7
Australia Chris Atkinson[8] Belgium Stéphane Prévot 8
France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[3] Citroën Citroën DS3 WRC M 8 Belgium Thierry Neuville[4] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 3–6, 8
Brazil Brazil World Rally Team[12] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 9 Brazil Daniel Oliveira[13] Portugal Carlos Magalhães 4–6
Austria Manfred Stohl[14] Austria Ilka Minor[15] 7
Norway Adapta World Rally Team[3][10] Ford Ford Fiesta RS WRC M 10 Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 3, 5, 8
Portugal WRC Team Mini Portugal[3][23] 1 Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 2–8
14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 2–8
Portugal Armindo Araújo World Rally Team[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 12 Portugal Armindo Araújo[23] Portugal Miguel Ramalho 1
Brazil Palmeirinha Rally[5][26] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 14 Brazil Paulo Nobre[23] Brazil Edu Paula 1
United Kingdom Mini WRC Team[27] Mini Mini John Cooper Works WRC M 37 Spain Dani Sordo[27] Spain Carlos del Barrio 1
52 France Pierre Campana[27] France Sabrina de Castelli 1
Major entries not registered as manufacturers
Constructor
(Car) 		Team Tyre Drivers Co-drivers Rounds
Citroën
(Citroën DS3 WRC) 		France Citroën Junior World Rally Team[5] M Belgium Thierry Neuville[17] Belgium Nicolas Gilsoul 1-2
Netherlands Van Merksteijn Motorsport[5] M Netherlands Peter van Merksteijn, Sr.[17][34] Belgium Eddy Chevaillier 1
Netherlands Peter van Merksteijn, Jr.[5][35] Belgium Eddy Chevaillier 2, 4, 9
Ford
(Ford Fiesta RS WRC) 		Norway Adapta World Rally Team[10] M Norway Mads Østberg[11] Sweden Jonas Andersson 2, 4, 6
Norway Eyvind Brynildsen[10] Norway Cato Menkerud[5] 2
Austria AT Rally M Finland Sebastian Lindholm[8] Finland Timo Hantunen 8
United Kingdom Autotek Motorsport[36] D Finland Jari Ketomaa Finland Mika Stenberg 2, 4, 7–8
Czech Republic Martin Prokop Czech Republic Zdeněk Hrůza 5
M Cyprus Spyros Pavlides France Nicolas Klinger 6
Czech Republic Czech Ford National Team M Czech Republic Martin Prokop[37] Czech Republic Zdeněk Hrůza[38] 1–2, 4, 6, 8–9
Ukraine Dream Team Ukraine[39] M Ukraine Oleksiy Tamrazov Ukraine Oleksandr Gorbik 6
United States Go Fast Energy World Rally Team[40][41] M Norway Henning Solberg[4] Austria Ilka Minor 1–2
United Kingdom Matthew Wilson[17] United Kingdom Scott Martin 1
Finland Matti Rantanen M Finland Matti Rantanen[8] Finland Mikko Lukka 8
United Kingdom M-Sport[4] D Mexico Ricardo Triviño Spain Àlex Haro 3
United States Monster World Rally Team M United States Ken Block[42] Italy Alex Gelsomino 3, 7–8
Australia Chris Atkinson[4] Belgium Stéphane Prévot 3
France Team Emap Yacco[17] M France Julien Maurin France Olivier Ural 1
Mini
(Mini John Cooper Works WRC) 		Chile Eliseo Salazar Motorsports[43] M Chile Eliseo Salazar Spain Marc Martí[20] 5
Sweden Eljas Motorsport[5] M Sweden Richard Göransson Sweden Anders Fredriksson 2
United Kingdom Mini WRC Team[27]
Prodrive WRC Team[22]
M Spain Dani Sordo[27] Spain Carlos del Barrio 2, 4, 7, 9
Sweden Patrik Sandell[44][45] Sweden Staffan Parmander[44] 2
Sweden Maria Andersson[22] 4
Qatar Seashore Qatar Rally Team[39] M Qatar Abdulaziz Al-Kuwari Italy Nicola Arena 6
Turkey TOK Sport[8] M Finland Riku Tahko Finland Markus Soininen 8
Škoda
(Škoda Fabia S2000) 		Germany Volkswagen Motorsport M France Sébastien Ogier[46] France Julien Ingrassia 1–6, 8–9
Netherlands Kevin Abbring[47] Belgium Lara Vanneste[47] 1
Belgium Frédéric Miclotte[4] 3–4
Norway Andreas Mikkelsen[5][48] Norway Ola Fløene 2, 5-6, 8-9
Germany Sepp Wiegand[49] Germany Timo Gottschalk 9
Volkswagen
(Volkswagen Polo R WRC)[50] 		Germany Volkswagen Motorsport M France Sébastien Ogier France Julien Ingrassia 12
FinnishF1Fan (talk) 21:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that is that the tables are now inconsistent. They perform the same function, but they contain different information, with no explanation for the difference. I don't think the numbers are important at all; the 2012 Intercontinental Rally Challenge season page does the same thing, and it's very effective. Yes, I know the IRC change their numbers from event to event, but it just highlights how unnecessary a numbers column is. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I still think the manufacturer teams should have the car numbers next to the drivers. This FIA document states clearly that the certain car numbres belong to the certain manu teams just like in Formula One for example. http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2012/Pages/wrc-entrants-nom.aspx
Also the PWRC and SWRC (and WRC Academy) crews have their own numbers: PWRC, SWRC
The fact that the tables would have different appearance doesn't really matter. The non-manufacturer entrants are just extra-info. FinnishF1Fan (talk) 13:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm thinking that the number also mark the drivers priority in a Team. I mean, obviously, Loeb is the numer 1 driver por Citröen, but in the table it shows Mikko Hirvonen first. Just a Thought MNSZ (talk) 20:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We can't assume that any driver has priority over another driver, and the numbers certainly do not reflect that. The reason why Hirvonen is listed before Loeb in the table is because they are listed alphabetically. If his last name was Mirvonen, then Loeb would appear first. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:23, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If we don't have car numbers to the manufacturers teams here, why we have them in Formula 1? They are given in a same way, by the previous year's manufacturers' standings. And everybody can see those FIA documents above, they clearly show which numbers belong to which team (and SWRC / PWRC crew). Now it feels like we are missing some information. FinnishF1Fan (talk) 14:50, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Formula 1 is different - the numbers are fixed for the season. If we were to include numbers on this page, then we would have to include all of the numbers, which makes a mess of the table. We cannot have a situation where one table has numbers and another table does not, with no explanation as to why, because Wikipedia is not censored - and "it looks neater" is not a valid explanation.
So it's a case of having all of the numbers or none of them. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Wilson's Team[edit]

Why Matthew Wilson is lined for Rally Walles under the M-Sport team? The news related to it, said clearly that the team is the M-Sport Ford World Rally Team. It should be listed as Dennis Kupiers, François Delecour, etc. Don't you think? MNSZ (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The entry list for Rally GB does not have Wilson at M-Sport WRT. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The Official Entry List in the webpage of Wales Rally GB show him with the M-Sport Ford WRT. [51] MNSZ (talk) 13:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Koči[edit]

Why Martin Koči is listed as a non-scoring academy entry, but is listed in the cup table as he has obtained points? MNSZ (talk) 01:23, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to do, thank you for saying. It's done now. Here's the proof: http://www.wrc.com/wrc-academy/results/ FinnishF1Fan (talk) 08:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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