Talk:2001 Peru shootdown

This whole article reads as nothing but an apologia for the CIA. There is almost nothing here about Roni Bowers, or the life and work of her and her husband. And no mention either of the role of the CIA and the U.S. government in designing and funding the shoot to kill program that cost Ms. Bowers and he daughter their lives. Just a lot of double talk excusing the CIA for their involvement in and encouraging of the summary execution without charge or trial of "suspected" drug runners - even if civilians got in the way.

Writer of this article must be joking that CIA had no responsibility here. Not only were they clearly discussing the shoot-down before it happened, but in a language they could not even speak. Re-write is appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.14.106 (talk) 06:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

should be titled "The murders of Roni Bowers and Charity Bowers"

i believe most states have laws that if you open fire on people, even without the specific intent to kill, you would be charged with murder.

example: reckless indifference to human life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.108.8 (talk) 09:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

WP:BLP1E

Anyone else get a WP:BLP1E sense from this article? NickCT (talk) 20:51, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

hi nick. i don't think so. two nations were involved, also a secret service and a military force. all this against an innocent civilian aircraft, resulting in death. there is also the issue of the ongoing 'war against drugs' here. this incident shouldn't be dismissed on the grounds you mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.108.8 (talk) 22:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

This page is not about Bowers, this article is about the incident. The best title I can come up with is 2001 Peru shootdown ([used by ABC]. After the move, the article will also need to be edited and rearranged to fit the title.

Any other suggestions for a title or arguments that Bowers was otherwise notable? - SummerPhD (talk) 17:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Comments/suggestions before I move this? - SummerPhD (talk) 01:38, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Moved. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

look like mr. summer is about to alienate a lot of media and church people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.108.8 (talk) 09:28, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your concern is. As discussed above, Ms Bowers is not notable independent of this event (i.e., were it not for this event, this article would not exist). WP:BIO1E and WP:PSEUDO apply: " If the person is notable only in connection with a single event, and little or no other information is available to use in the writing of a balanced biography, that person should be covered in an article regarding the event, with the person's name as a redirect to the event article placing the information in context."

. summer, your editing is grossly misguided. george washington would not be noteworthy except for the american revolution, but he has a page here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.108.8 (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

In your view, then, The American Revolution, Washington's presidency and involvement in the U.S Constitution, etc. are equivalent to being in a plane that was shot down. I invite you to consider why Bowers would be notable, but everyone else involved is not. Failing that, please explain how WP:BIO1E does not apply here. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:40, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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What is Notable about this story What is very "notable" about this story is that the CIA, or an advocate of the CIA, can write this brief defense knowing it will be taken as a factual encyclopedia entry. Wikipedia is great, but lets not expect the true story to be told when the writer could easily be a "defendent" like the CIA in this case. This artical is an easy outlet to keep their coverup "facts" going in the minds of the general public. contributed by Jim Bowers, husband of Roni Bowers, who escaped the CIA's bullets that day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.26.128.74 (talk) 17:44, 8 August 2015 (UTC) This article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the article's topic. - SummerPhDv2.0 17:00, 26 August 2015 (UTC)