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U.S. Route 141[edit]

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Passed with 3 net support votes (3 support, 0 oppose). —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 09:12, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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U.S. Route 141 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
Nominator's comments: This could be the first A-Class article for WI if promoted
Nominated by: Imzadi 1979 → 04:43, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
First comment occurred: 04:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Image check by TCN7JM[edit]

I will begin a review of this article immediately. TCN7JM 04:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I reviewed this at GAN, I'll image check instead. TCN7JM 04:49, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's it. Support. TCN7JM 04:57, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Dough4872[edit]

Review by Dough4872

Comments:

  1. "The highway runs from an interchange with Interstate 43 (I-43) in Bellevue, Wisconsin, near Green Bay to a junction with US 41/M-28 near Covington, Michigan." you should indicate what direction the highway runs from Bellevue to Covington.
  2. The sentence " There are access roads on either side of the freeway to provide access to the properties immediately adjacent to either side of US 41/US 141." uses access twice and should be reworded.
  3. I think the headers in the history may need to be renamed. It implies the "US highway era" ends in the 1950s when they still exist today. "Freeway era" doesn't sound appropriate either as some of the stuff in that section does not necessarily deal with freeway construction. Maybe use year ranges for the header as the history seems to be in chronological order.
  4. Citation needed for "US 141 was fully paved in Wisconsin in the early 1930s; the last segment paved was between Pound and Abrams."
  5. The sentence "Wisconsin started the process to convert US 141 between Milwaukee and Abrams into a freeway starting in the 1960s." uses the verb start twice.
  6. Is there any more detail about the planning and construction of the freeway available? The history just seems to mention when the freeway segments open. Dough4872 00:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The requested changes and additions have been included in the article. Imzadi 1979 → 07:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article looks good now. Dough4872 17:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Floydian[edit]

Review by Floydian
Lead
  • "The highway runs north-northwesterly from an interchange with Interstate 43 (I-43) in Bellevue, Wisconsin, near Green Bay to a junction with US 41/M-28 near Covington, Michigan."
    • A few things jump out at me here in the sentence: "...an interchange with Interstate 43 (I-43) in Bellevue, Wisconsin, near Green Bay to a junction..." - First is the use of interchange and junction in a single sentence, which in many places are synonymous but in others well defined and distinct; junction being another word for interchange or for a "T"-like intersection (or simply an at-grade intersection of two or more numbered roads). This should be clarified in some way. Second is the unclosed aside, "near Green Bay", which should have a comma following it.
      • Adding the missing comma. As for the rest, I don't know that it quite matters, per se. The two words can act as synonyms for word-choice variety while still implying technical difference in meaning that does exist. We could link to interchange (road) and junction (road), but I normally avoid that as they are common-enough terms. Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Since the 1960s, the section south of Green Bay was converted into a freeway in segments."
    • These clauses clash; "was" should be "has been".
  • "This freeway is now I-43, and since the 1980s, US 141 has ended southeast of Green Bay in Bellevue."
    • This is an odd sentence in the context of the previous one. Something like "Since the 1980s, US 141 has ended southeast of Green Bay in Bellevue - the southern freeway segment having been redesignated as I-43." may be more appropriately worded.
  • "divided-highway"
    • Should this be hyphenated? Normally it isn't.
      • When "divided highway" is by itself, you'd be right, but in this case, it's a compound adjective describing the word "section". Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RD
  • "and the two highways run concurrently through residential subdivisions."
    • Should "run" be linked as well?
      • This is a tip Tony1 gave me back a few years ago. Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "at the interchange for exit 170."
  • "The two highways run together north and northeasterly"
  • "The two highways run together westward"
    • You may want to be more consistent with the word concurrency, as an average layman would undoubtedly confuse the two.
  • "US 141 turns to the northwest to run along River Street into Niagara."
    • Shorten to "US 141 turns northwest along River Street into Niagara." Increase concise index by OVER 9000!!!
  • "US 2/US 141 makes a 14.5-mile (23.3 km) run through Florence County, passing the Spread Eagle Chain of Lakes."
    • Is Spread Eagle Chain of Lakes the name of the geographic feature or should "Lakes" be lowercase?
      • It is the name per the Wisconsin Department of Conservation. Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...transitions to forest, and the freeway..." and "...farm fields and forest to the county line." (in the Green Bay to Niagara section), "...the trunkline runs through forest land near several smaller bodies of water..." "continues through forests to the community" (in the Qunnesec northward section)
    • Note different approaches: forest, forest, forest land, forests.
History
  • "In 1919, Michigan signed its highway system,[12] and the state did not have a highway running south from Quinnesec to the state line."
    • and should be replaced with but or possibly yet, as the second thought is a negative.
  • "The routings though for two highways were different in Michigan in the 1925 than on the final 1926 map."
    • Though essentially equals however. Interchanging the two helps determine the best location for either. In this case, "However, the routings for two highways were different in Michigan in 1925 than on the final 1926 map." - Also note removal of the preceding 1925.
  • "US 102 was to have replaced M-15 from US 2 at Rapid River, continue via Marquette into Baraga County, where it would have ended at US 41 near Covington."
    • This sentence is constructed very odd. A comma splice I believe.
  • "US 141 in both plans was only routed between Milwaukee and Green Bay..."
    • Should be "In both plans, US 141 was only routed between Milwaukee and Green Bay..."
  • "Later, a new routing from the state line north to Crystal Falls was opened in 1940"
    • Using later and then supplying a year seems redundant
      • I fixed this as I figured you missed it. Feel free to implement your own wording if you desire. - Floydian τ ¢ 08:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This terminus location was..."
    • Redundancy again methinks. Location can be tossed here.
  • "divided-highway"
    • Two more instances of this. See my note for the lead.
  • "...opened the next year..."
  • "This request was rejected in the 1960s, but it was approved in the 1960s, and the state started the process to convert US 141 between Milwaukee and Abrams into a freeway."
    • Was rejected in the 1960s, but it was approved in the 1960s? Use of it in the second clause is a parallelism issue. The remainder should be split into a second sentence.
      • Missed commenting here, sentence was split up already. Imzadi 1979 → 10:47, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The next year, an extension of the freeway opened southward from Locust to North Avenue."
  • "By 1965, the bypass of Sheboygan was opened,[45] and the Milwaukee area freeway was extended northward to Brown Deer Road the following year."
    • Comma splice. Works better as "By 1965, the bypass of Sheboygan was opened;[45] the Milwaukee area freeway was extended northward to Brown Deer Road the following year."
  • "The last section of US 141 opened as a freeway in the city of Milwaukee opened in 1968"
    • Some redundancy. Better as "The final section of US 141 in the city of Milwaukee to be converted to freeway opened in 1968"
  • "...the southern terminus of US 141 was moved again, shortening the highway to end in Bellevue by 1983."
    • Shortening sounds odd. Try "...by 1983, the southern terminus of US 141 was moved again, truncating the highway in Bellevue."
Exit list
  • Looks good, no issues that I can spot.
Overall
    • Ref 11 - Missing cartographer
    • Ref 12 - Missing author?
    • Refs 13, 19, 20, 24 through 30 and 39 - Missing the map section. Is this intentional or are there no grids on these maps? (I notice the NHS maps do not at least)
    • Refs 31 and 32 - Seasons shouldn't be capitalized
      • Except that this is part of the title... so it's appropriate to capitalize them when they're part of the edition. Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ah, that makes sense under those circumstances. - Floydian τ ¢ 08:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Refs 29 though 36 - The titles for these maps are very inconsistent. Is this intentional?
      • Yes, Michigan switched the naming scheme around a bit over the years. Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Refs 43 and 44 - "1 in:14.5 mi." - other refs use "1 in=xx mi.", these two are the odd ones out. On the same topic, you seem to provide scales on a very inconsistent basis.
      • The scales provided are as they are printed on the map; if the map didn't give a printed equation, it wasn't included.Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Fair enough for the ones without scales. I'd still personally recommend making 43 and 44 consistent in format. A colon or equals sign are interchangeable in this instance without changing the scale. YMMV. - Floydian τ ¢ 08:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • I already changed them to equals signs, sorry if I forget to mention that earlier. Imzadi 1979 → 08:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ref 43, possibly 44 - Uses "Michigan Department of State Highways" / "MDSH" as the publisher / cartographer. However, the MDOT article states that the department wasn't renamed until August of 1973. Generally the official map is published much earlier in the year (only the 1934 and 1955 editions appear to have been published after July, at least among the refs on this article), but at the very least I believe 43 is incorrect.
    • Ref 45 and 63 - Is ref 63 an updated version of ref 45? If it is and has all of the material that the earlier doc contains, use the new doc for all four citations.
    • Ref 71 - I don't believe the XLS format should be indicated unless the document is being linked...
      • I indicated it lest someone ask why that document lacks page numbers when the other has them. (Yes, it's weird, but I only have two of the five regions in print and the rest in XLS.) Imzadi 1979 → 07:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Makes sense. Perhaps I should begin doing this. FYI, you can change the view in Excel to Page View to view it as if it were a printed document. I did this with the connecting link and 97/98 download tables I was provided by the MTO. - Floydian τ ¢ 08:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

-- Floydian τ ¢ 20:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are two unaddressed issues remaining above (both involving the History section). Pending the resolution of those, I am throwing down my Support towards promoting this article. - Floydian τ ¢ 10:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • One was done already, but I missed replying, and the other has been fixed. Imzadi 1979 → 10:47, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review by Evad37[edit]

Review by Evad37

I will review this article. - Evad37 (talk) 03:11, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lead
  • ...crossing the state line one last time. The last Michigan section... – Two last's in close proximity, would read better if one was changed
  • Since the 1960s, the section south of Green Bay has been converted into a freeway in segments. Since the 1980s... – Reword so that "Since the" isn't repeated
Route description
  • As a bi-state highway, US 141 is a state trunk highway in the state of Wisconsin... – Seems a bit reppetitive, do you really need "the state of" in there?
  • National Highway System, – shouldn't there be a (NHS) abbreviation here?
  • From the I-43 interchange in Howard – link Howard here, instead of the next paragraph
  • at the interchange at exit 170 – sounds awkward... maybe "via the interchange at exit 170"?
  • From Howard northward, the freeway runs through suburban Brown County to Suamico parallel to a line of the Escanaba and Lake Superior Railroad (ELS) through a mixture of farm fields and residential subdivisions. – Could use commas after Suamico and (ELS)
  • There are frontage roads on either side of the freeway to provide access to the properties immediately adjacent to either side of US 41/US 141. – Change one of the either sides to "both sides" to avoid repetition, or just have "...provide access to the properties immediately adjacent to US 41/US 141"
  • North of the line, US 141 continues to the Marinette County communities of Coleman and Pound as an expressway. North of the latter town, US 141 transitions from expressway to a two-lane undivided highway. – Could you reword so that the two sentences don't both start with "North of the".
  • The two highways run concurrently westward into Iron Mountain along Stephenson Avenue passing through a retail business corridor and into downtown – needs punctuation, a comma after "Avenue" should do.
  • 14.5-mile (23.3 km) run → 14.5-mile run (23.3 km)
    • The length is an adjective for the noun run... the noun shouldn't precede the conversion. Imzadi 1979 → 03:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...several smaller bodies of water like... – I think "including" or "such as" sounds better than "like"
History
  • US 141 was fully paved in Wisconsin in the early 1930s; the last segment paved was between Pound and Abrams. – Change the second "paved", maybe to something like "to be completed"
  • At about the same time in Wisconsin, two-lane bypasses of Manitowoc and Port Washington were opened in 1957. – It troubles me that you don't say what the same time is in relation to within this new section, which is somewhat disconnected from the last paragraph by the heading. Something like "At about the same time as the realignments in Michigan, two-lane bypasses of Manitowoc and Port Washington in Wisconsin were opened in 1957" would be better
  • The first segments of freeway were opened in the Milwaukee area starting in 1963 between Locust Street and Good Hope Road. – Needs a comma after "Milwaukee area"
RJL
  • Why do some rows have a "—" in the exit column, while others are blank?
    • The dashes are for exits without a number, while the blanks aren't exits at all. Imzadi 1979 → 03:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Distances are listed in both miles and kms, so the table doesn't need a conversion key (can be switched off using |conv=off)
    • I'm leaving this alone... the template will be switched to default with the key off in the near future. Imzadi 1979 → 03:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox
  • In the Highway System section, there's a blank line between the sets of links for Wisconsin Highways and Michigan State Trunkline Highway System, but not between United States Numbered Highways and Wisconsin Highways – should be consistent
    • Well, it used to break things if I removed that line break.. and apparently now it doesn't... Imzadi 1979 → 03:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- Evad37 (talk) 04:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Evad37:, all items are addressed. Imzadi 1979 → 03:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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