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I'd like help getting my minor correction to note 3 in the page on 'Ellipsis' inserted properly.

I have tried two (or three) times to insert a simple correction to what is a twofold erroroneous reference to Virginia Woolf in note 3 in the aticle on 'Ellipsis'. First, there is no suggestion in the Penguin edition of her short stories (which is in front of me) that "The Mark on the Wall' is where Woolf coined the phrase 'dot dot dot'. Second, this phrase appears nowhere in "The Mark on the Wall", but in another story, "An Unwritten Novel". This is what I wanted to insert, removing the inaccurate referrence to the Penguin edition of the stories and adding instead a reference to the book by Anne Toner which is cited earlier on the page and which is a recognised authoritative source on the topic. PROFMTC (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@PROFMTC: Another editor, Jessicapierce, has reverted your attempts in this edit, leaving a helpful edit summary. I assume you have not read it yet.

If you look carefully, you will see that your version does not correctly use the reference marks - you need to put the reference between an opening <ref> and a closing </ref>. Our guide about references for beginners might help you.

Notice also that the reverting editor disagreed with your edits for content reasons. In such cases, the usual procedure is to discuss the change at the article's talk page (located in that case at Talk:Ellipsis). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:40, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

As Tigraan says, the main issue here was formatting. If that had been the only issue, I would have just fixed it. "Coined" has a very different meaning here vs. "used", and I wasn't comfortable letting the edit stand, without more concrete evidence, talk page discussion, or edit summary mentioning that change. Jessicapierce (talk) 03:09, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Is it ok to delete edit requests you made?

I submitted a handful of edits to a specific page, but I greatly misunderstood the protocol for making such a request (I have a COI and THOUGHT I was following the proper protocol but was off base). I resubmitted my requested edits, but my original requests are sill on the talk page and I fear they are clogging up / blocking editors from seeing my new submission.

Is it considered appropriate for one to delete their own submitted request for edit? Or is it necessary to leave the edits there for records purposes? ColbyReade (talk) 03:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)ColbyReade

Hi ColbyReade, Happy New Year, and welcome to the Teahouse where the oolong is always freshly brewed. If you are talking about your recent edits to Talk:M.J. Murdock Charitable Trust, where you are the last user to edit, the matter is not exactly covered in WP:REDACT. Personally, I would have no qualms if you deleted § Proposed Updates January 2, 2018 with a reasonable edit summary, but other editors may argue that it's been more than "a short while" and suggest that you WP:STRIKE your comments and ammend. Did this help? Sam Sailor 03:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Sam Sailor Thank you. Actually, it’s the previous four edits I proposed (Some Proposed Changes, Intro Paragraph, etc). The January 2 edits were the ones I proposed today. Like I said, I misunderstood the submission protocol for COI proposed edits the first time and submitted my first batch improperly. I feel like the January 2 edits are more appropriate but I don’t know that an editor is going to get to them given the poorly constructed ones I posted first. Frankly at this point I’d prefer to just have them all removed and be able to resubmit at a later date but don’t want to violate protocol. ColbyReade (talk) 04:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)ColbyReade

Restrictions on Arab Israeli pages

"All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab–Israeli conflict."

Does this include asking questions on the talk pages? 47.34.194.254 (talk) 05:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi IP, no you are still free to ask questions and suggest changes on the article talk page. NZFC^(talk) 05:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I expect that's a legitimate thing for which few people will complain. Just be alerted that those pages are highly contentious, watched by many administrators, and the utmost in courtesy is expected. Ravenswing 05:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I have no problem with this. I understand fully why the restrictions are there. That is why I checked here first. 47.34.194.254 (talk) 05:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

How big can a stub be?

I've created an article, its size is 2361 bytes but its still called a stub. The article has 4 level 2 headings, an infobox as well as information. However it is still labeled a stub. Should I remove the stub template?

Link to my article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patta_Sisodia

Hagoromo's Susanoo (talk) 08:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hagoromo's Susanoo, I assume you meant Patta Sisodia. Your link is a dead end. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 08:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Hagoromo's Susanoo. A stub is not defined by its length but rather by whether the article provides adequate encyclopedic coverage of the topic. Patta Sisodia lacks a lead section and any content that places the topic in context. The topic is mystifying to someone who knows little about this period in Indian history. Please review Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. I think you need to do more work before this article can be classified as Start grade. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I meant Patta Sisodia and I corrected the link. However we must also note the notability of the article. Patta Sisodia was just a commander of a force, he was not of any royalty or nobility. This period of Indian history is elaborated in Siege of Chittorgarh, which is a large article, but Patta Sisodia itself is not of much importance. Hagoromo's Susanoo (talk) 09:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Can you use italics within image gallery main caption?

Hi team, I was hoping to be able to use italics within the main caption of an image gallery , I but can't see how. I assume I will need to use some in-line HTML, but I'm not sure how to distinguish the main gallery caption text from the image captions.
An example of the gallery I am using is here, where I'd like to put the scientific name text in italics ... Eucalyptus tereticornis. Thanks! ❮❮ GEEKSTREET ^{Talk Lane ❯❯} 09:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Geekstreet You can accomplish that by using the {{gallery}} template with the parameter |title=Features of the forest red gum (''Eucalyptus tereticornis''). Sam Sailor 10:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Father and son photographers with the same name: Disambiguation needed?

Dad already has an article I have expanded on Stanisław Julian Ostroróg. Now I have written an article about the son in my Sandbox, Stanislaw Julian Ignacy Count Ostrorog. Both used the professional moniker, "Walery". Should I call the new article "Walery" and set up a Disambiguation page? I don't know how to set up such a page. What do you think? Advice please. Thanks for your attention, --Po Mieczu (talk) 03:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

First off, good work on the article; it's certainly no longer a stub, and I took the stub notices off of it. Moving along, happily, WP:DISAMBIG tells you in detail about the process. There are a couple of ways you can do this. First off, I'd verify the name of the son -- was "Count" really part of his middle name? Give that article his real name, but you'll want to set up "Walery" as the disambiguation page. (Actually, let me help you out, and I'll set it up myself. I'll be right back.) Ravenswing 05:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

There. As it turns out, Walery (name) already existed -- Walery as well, which is a village in Poland -- and is in use as a disambiguation page for several biographical articles of people with that as a given name; I added Ostorog father and son to the list, as you can see. Ravenswing 06:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thank you Ravenswing , we have filled a long delayed gap. --Po Mieczu (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Dear David

dear David.moreno72 hello I dont understood why deleted page of Faig Rafiev He is really popular one popular sportman What we must do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikimmasterr (talk • contribs) 06:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Do you have the name right? I just tried a Google search for "Faig Rafiev", and all I get is a single Facebook page for that name. Certainly if anyone by that name has never been written about in the media, he wouldn't meet any notability standard for athletes on Wikipedia. Ravenswing 06:58, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

If he is as popular as you claim, then he must have been written about in some Azerbaijan Republic newspapers. Google doesn't find them for me, either. Can you find them? They will be needed as references if the article is ever to be published in Wikipedia. Dbfirs 08:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Just on the off chance, I just tried this on the Azeri Google. Nope, just the same Facebook page. Ravenswing 08:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Wikimmasterr. First, I note that you have created a draft article on your User page. That is not what you User page is for: see WP:User pages. You could, though Move it to a user subpage, eg User:Wikimmasterr/Faig Rafiev: that would be acceptable for a working draft.

Secondly, I'm afraid you have made the classic error that new editors almost always make: you have written your draft from what you know. This is the obvious way to do it, but it does not work in Wikipedia, because Wikipedia has no interest in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia is only interested in what has been published in reliable places (and, mostly, what has been published by people who have no connection with the subject. You need to start - before you ever write a word about a subject - by finding the reliable published sources about it, then forget everything you know about the subject and write an article based one what the sources see. Please read about notability, and Your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

The OP has caused some confusion by creating drafts in 3 different places User:Wikimmasterr, User:Wikimmasterr/sandbox, and Draft:Faig Rafiev. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Deleting an article I wrote

I wish to remove a short bio article I wrote last year. The individual no longer wants his information to be on wikipedia. How do i go about removing the article?

Thanks! Pozzo53 (talk) 14:53, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, it does not really matter what a person says about themself (unless it is noteworthy in and of itself, like if a major head of state claimed to be one with God). But another editor has applied a PROD (proposed deletion) to the article. If no one complains for a week it can be deleted. If that doesn't work you might try AFD. A lad insane talk 15:35, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There's a weird irony in this request, Pozzo53. It looks like the article you built on David Morgan (psychoanalyst) was originally submitted three times as a draft, and rejected on each occasion. It looks like you then chose to circumvent the Articles for Creation process, and decided to create a page directly yourself anyway, and this is the one you now want deleting. Is that correct? Does the same apply to the old Draft:David Morgan (psychoanalyst)? It looks like someone has already put a WP:PROD tag on the page in mainspace. Unedited drafts tend to get deleted after around six months anyway. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes. This process has been a bit of a mess. I'm sorry if it seems I've flown in the face of wiki-protocol. I didn't think the page would last long anyway--I agreed with all the editorial notes regarding importance. I didn't realise that I needed to delete the draft. I assumed the draft lived in my 'sandbox'/personal page area?

Pozzo53 (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Do your edits for awards only count as mainspace edits

My mainspace edits are 732 but my total edits are 896, so for any award(e.g Veteran Editor) will only my mainspace edits count or will my total edits count. Hagoromo's Susanoo (talk) 10:39, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Alright, that answer's a bit facetious, but the service awards are entirely self-awarded, entirely unofficial, and no one who isn't a pompous idiot will bust your chops for displaying the "wrong" award. Unquestionably some editors are stricter than others as to what edits "count" -- between mainspace edits, deleted edits, talk page edits, prior accounts and the like -- but deciding for yourself what counts is a feature, not a bug. Ravenswing 11:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

You can use total edits. Enterprisey (talk!) 19:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

How to request editorial review of article updates?

A few weeks back, I submitted some proposed edits to a page on Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.J._Murdock_Charitable_Trust I misunderstood the protocol for making a submission as an editor with a COI. I have since learned how to more effectively submit my requests. I have struck my previous requests in accordance with Wikipedia protocol and resubmitted my requested edits.

What is the most effective way to draw this to the attention of other editors to review and potentially implement my proposed changes? User:ColbyReade ColbyReade (talk) 15:12, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

You might try using the Request Edit Template. It will add your request to the list at the instructions page. --Klaun (talk) 21:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

new article in sandbox - how to publish

I am ready to move my sandbox article onto publication. It's about a photographer son of a photographer, Stanisław Julian Ostroróg. How is this done? Many thanks, --Po Mieczu (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello. You may find this article useful. At the end is instructions on adding the template to submit the article to Articles for Creation. --Klaun (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

How do I add a category to a photo?

There are two photos at Geological Society of America of the building in Boulder, Colorado, and I would like to add the category "Buildings in Boulder, Colorado" to the photos. Do I do that via Wikimedia Commons even though I uploaded one of them directly to Wikipedia? Thanks much. Keagiles (talk) 21:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Keagiles. As far as I know, the only way to add cats to photos is on Commons. I have never uploaded any pictures myself, but I have spent some time on Commons trying to categorize horse and dog pictures. I've never found a different way from editing the file page. Maybe somebody who uploads a lot of pictures can tell you another way, though. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Keagiles (talk) 23:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Company page

Hi there guys, I was asked to create a wikipedia page with information about our company, no advertising, actually modeled on this entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilmLight - who are in the same industry as us.

However the page has been deemed a commercial and marked for deletion, I was just interested since other entities do this (another example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmagic_Design) and what the reason would be that we cannot.

Any ideas? I created a user in the name of the company for editing, could that be the issue?

Regards Patrick Morgan Digitalvision (talk) 22:12, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Digitalvision, you should take a look at the policy regarding paid editing. All Wikipedia articles have to abide by the same policies. However, if you there might be a conflict of interest, editors will probably cast a more critical eye on your contributions and you as a paid contributor have additional obligations of disclosure. --Klaun (talk) 22:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Just for starters, you will need to change your user name so it identifies you as an individual. Can even be PatAtDigitalVision. And for enders, Blackmagic_Design has been nominated for Speedy Deletion, so not the best example to emulate. David notMD (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Digitalvision: (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, your username does violate our username policy as usernames cannot be that of a company. They can be in the format of "YourName of CompanyName" if you wish to indicate your company name in your username. To request your name be changed now, you can fill out the form located here. You will also need to read about conflict of interest at WP:COI and paid editing at WP:PAID.

Regarding the page, you seem to have a common misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is. This is an encyclopedia, and not a place for companies to have pages about themselves in order to tell the world about themselves. That is considered promotional on Wikipedia, even if you are not saying "buy my product" or otherwise offering things for sale. This is not social media. As an encyclopedia, articles must have independent reliable sources indicating how the subject is notable per guidelines(in this case WP:ORG).

Please understand that not every business merits a page here. Other similar pages existing does not mean your company gets one too; as Wikipedia is edited by volunteers whenever they can do so, inappropriate pages get through and can even last for some time. Also understand that it is not necessarily a good thing for any company to have a page on Wikipedia(see this page). You cannot lock it to the text you might prefer to see there, you cannot prevent others from editing it, and any information, good and bad, can appear in the page as long as it is cited by an independent reliable source. Wikipedia has little interest in what a company wishes to say about itself, or how it wishes to be portrayed.

Because you have a conflict of interest, you should not write an article about your company directly; instead doing so through Articles for Creation. However, even doing that will require you to forget everything you know about your company, and write only based on what independent sources state about it. That is usually difficult for people in your situation to do. You should not cite your company's website(except for things like location, number of employees), press releases, or marketing materials. The independent sources must offer in depth coverage of your organization. If you can't do that, then it will not be possible for their to be a page about your company at this time. If you can, then you should visit Articles for Creation- but you should read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 23:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointers guys. I agree that WP is not the right place for these type of pages, but just a cursory glance shows Sony, Dolby and so many others that it is easy to understand why companies assume there is no issue doing this, and that is why it was requested. I am going to extract myself from this issue, thanks again. Digitalvision (talk) 23:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

While they are not perfect by any means, I doubt that the articles about Sony and Dolby Laboratories were written by employees of those companies, Digitalvision. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Sony? Never heard of them. Looks like an A7 candidate to me. – Joe (talk) 23:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

revert

from out of no were someone is reverting my edit improvment of the article can an administrator step in, cliking the redo just turns it into a war why encourge new people to help if big timers step in and take over.? 50.254.21.213 (talk) 23:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

You are removing content with your edits on Sybil Shearer, mainly references. Don't remove content from Wikipedia that is sourced. NZFC^(talk) 00:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

not all the sorced edits are linked right to the sentince and the sorces conflict with each other,here death is reported in 2 locations in two diferent sorces i am here in northbrook the person is in flordia what does he know i am living it he is not there are tags that say HELP i helped don't hate. just leave it be. 50.254.21.213 (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where the person is from, I'm from New Zealand and can edit the article as well. Saying that, it does appear that the NY Times and the Independent contradict each other but I think that is the wording in the NY Times. It appears she may have been in Evanston, Illinois when she pass away as per here. What you do instead of removing references though is either provide more to back your arguement or take it to the talk page. You don't remove them. NZFC^(talk) 00:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I interviewed Toby the guy in the article he said they pulled the plug at the Evanston hospital she was brain dead. As I said I am from here. they would like help in improving this and get rid of the templates This section etc. 50.254.21.213 (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

You have answered here and on my own page. I have told you twice to go to Talk:Sybil Shearer where you see I raised your issue. You will also see on the page here that I fixed the place of death as per the Independent and the other link you gave me. I suggest any further conversation can be had at the talk page about changes required. NZFC^(talk) 01:15, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

OK close 50.254.21.213 (talk) 01:19, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Messed up moving Shahina Farid to new article. somehow assigned her to my user page

Hi

I have never messed up creating a new article quite like this before.

I would appreciate your help in putting my user page back to where it was and also to create my new article for Shahina Farid, I am working on the January Women in Red:Geofocus England project at the moment.

thanks MauraWen (talk) 02:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Give me a moment and I'll take care of that for you! ... and there, done! Ravenswing 02:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

External Links

Is there any kind of tool to check an article for external links? Would reFill usually pick these up or should I be using something else to check? SeraphWiki (talk) 03:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

What features are you looking for it to have? To identify a bare external link, or check that the link still works? Wikipedia:Checklinks for the later. Chris857 (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Is this worthy of a wikipedia page?

There is a comedian in our area (Ohio). He has traveled the world performing- Cuba, Haiti, Africa, Guatemala, England, etc. He has also shared the stage with people such as Jay Leno, Tom Arnold, Sinbad, Kevin Farley, Drew Carey, Bobbi Humphrey, etc. (With pictures to prove.) He also owns and runs a successful comedy club near us called "Warren Comedy Club"... Our paper writes about him all the time and he's always on the local news for different things.

Is he worthy of an article? 2607:FCC8:6A83:BA00:28FA:CA73:EB48:EAA3 (talk) 04:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

He is if he meets the standards of WP:ENTERTAINER. It's a high bar to meet, though. Being on the local news, owning a comedy club or opening for more famous comedians generally won't suffice. What kind of media coverage does he have from non-local sources, for instance? (Come to that, what's his name?) Ravenswing 05:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

AfD

Hi, I read somewhere, trying to look it up and cant find it, that should tag of CSD/PORD has be removed/deleted, only AfD could be used for nomination for deletion. Could you please point me to the Wikipedia page which I could find this information please. Thank you CASSIOPEIA (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi CASSIOPEIA. If a PROD is declined, or if the page has already been through AfD, it can't be PRODded again; see WP:PRODNOM. CSD can be used at any time, regardless of any prior CSDs, PRODs, or AfDs, as long as the page meets the criteria. However, in practice, an article that has had a PROD declined or gone to AfD is unlikely to meet a CSD criteria. AfD is the preferred process for deletion when there is a possibility that the nomination will be controversial or contested. – Joe (talk) 13:15, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Joe Roe: Hi, thank your for the advice. So if a PROD has been removed/deleted then an AfD could be used since PROD can only used once. How about after a CSD has been used and removed, can a PROD be used? or an AfD should be follow? (My understanding is that PROD is use when the article doesnt meet and CSD criteria but see fit to delete with "xx" reasons and LBLP without sourced). Thank you.CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you can use PROD after a declined CSD. Basically, PROD is the only one with a restriction on how many times it can be used. The other two can be used whenever you think appropriate. – Joe (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@Joe Roe:. Thank you Joe. Appreciate your advice. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Also, there are at least two ways that a CSD tag can be removed. It can be declined by an administrator. In that case, tagging the article for CSD again would be tendentious. If it is removed by the article creator, it can be restored by anyone, because it is not permitted for an article creator to remove the CSD tag. As Joe Roe says, it is permitted to use AFD at any time. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I want to write about the Mortal Kombat timeline.

Is it okay for me to write about a theory?IsaiahBagles (talk) 15:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello IsaiahBagles, welcome to the Teahouse. I'm really sorry to disappoint you, but the blunt answer is "No". Wikipedia pages can only cover 'theories' if they have been discussed in depth by reliable, independent sources. Proper theories like String theory would be fine - discussed by scientists, newspapers and the media. But if you've had some theory of your own about some computer game plot (- and I apologise as I know nothing about Mortal Kombat timelines), this is absolutely no place to discuss it. Not even on the article's talk page. We would call this 'original research' and we have a policy about this, which you can read here. I'm sure you will find there are other places for this - just not this encyclopaedia. For example, http://mortalkombat.wikia.com/wiki/Mortal_Kombat_storyline might look like it is part of Wikipedia, but it has nothing to do with our project - maybe this is a place you could go talk about your ideas? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Outdated content

Wikipedia possess information about many aspects, be it geographical, economical, financial , scientific or so forth, This content is outdated , many a times. Why isn’t it checked upon regularly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akshath99 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Akshath99. To give you a sense of why this might be the case, consider that the English Wikipedia currently has 5,544,344 articles and 123,966 editors who have been active in the last 30 days (and some of that activity will be at pages such as the Teahouse, rather than editing of articles). Cordless Larry (talk) 17:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

You can help, Akshath99, by letting us know whenever you find an article with outdated information, or you could even update it yourself as you have already done, but please remember to add references for updates. This is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, and all improvements are appreciated. Dbfirs 18:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The other thing to remember about outdated content, Akshath99, is that it shouldn't necessarily be removed or replaced. Sometimes it should, but sometimes it is important historical information, so the text on it may need editing, but still be kept in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 19:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

how to contact

Hello, I have the wiki address of a helper I would like to contact directly about a specific question.How do I do that? Rgroman (talk) 18:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

If you want to contact a particular user, the place to do so is their user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello there,

Welcome to the Teahouse! If you have their email you could email them. Or you can leave a message on their talk page. (I usually leave them a message on their talk page). Unless it's private or confidential then you should email them. (Don't send information you don't want on the internet).Thegooduser talk 18:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think you meant to write what you wrote in the last sentence, Thegooduser. I would say "only if it is private or confidential sho9uld you email them, otherwise Wikipedia discussions are normally held in public, on Talk pages". --ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@ColinFine: What you wrote is what i meant to write up there. I couldn't think of the right words to say it sorry about that. (This is my first time helping someone at the Teahouse. Thegooduser talk 19:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Afc Article

I have a draft article in the sandbox. But someone created the same article and it is not a draft. What do i do with the draft article?Thegooduser talk 20:04, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome (back, I think) to the Teahouse, Thegooduser. Since there is no ownership of articles, it doesn't matter all that much to most editors who created the article in the first place. What you can do at this point is improve the article that was recently created by making sure it contains whatever good, reliably sourced information that you had in your draft. When finished, you can either ask for the draft to be deleted (by placing the template {{db-author}} at the top; this only works is you were the only substantial contributor to the draft) or turn it into a redirect to the mainspace article. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:29, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Jmcgnh: Someone had improved the draft for me. I Did create the draft. But someone else improved it all for me. Do i have the right to delete the draft?Thegooduser talk 20:34, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Because someone else has done significant work on Draft:Subaru Ascent, a {{db-author}} request would not be valid. If the draft is now abandoned, it can be deleted in 6 months time under criterion G13. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: So i can not delete the article?Thegooduser talk 20:53, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Thegooduser How frustrating for you to have worked on the draft. It looks like you and Sammylp250 both submitted the same draft, that you'd worked on. Because nobody owns any article here (not even in our sandboxes), and because ours is a cooperative project, my advice on top of what David suggests is to see what elements are missing from the 'live' article that you could enhance from your own joint work. At a cursory glance it does look like you've used more independent sources than in the live article, so these could be useful for a start. I'm sure we could put it forward for WP:MFD if you both really want it gone, though David will know better than me if that's appropriate. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Sammyip250 dosen't know about this yet. (I think) How can we tell him and should we delete the draft?Thegooduser talk 21:03, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand your rush to delete it, but I guess one way is to leave a note on the Draft's Talk page stating you'd like to delete it, and ping Sammyip250 with a suggestion he states the same there, and then if you've both stated it, put on a {{db-author}} request. (But see Cordless Larry's question below) Nick Moyes (talk)

Just a thought, but was any of the content at Subaru Ascent copied from Draft:Subaru Ascent? If so, it should have been attributed, to give credit to the authors of the draft. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: @Nick Moyes: Mabye i will wait before i delete it...Thegooduser talk 22:02, 31 December 2017 (UTC) @SammyIp250: Please read this? Thegooduser talk 22:11, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, sorry I just got to this. I'm still trying to figure out how to work this website also. Well that is disappointing, but I guess we were beaten to the article. I'm okay with the decision to delete the article.Sammylp250 (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Sammylp250: Im thinking to wait before deleting the article, because some of the content in the article may have been copied from the draft and if it is copied from the draft we should be attributed because we wrote the draft (well you wrote most of it ) (Not trying to be rude there). Thegooduser talk 17:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

There is no such user as SammyIp250, Thegooduser, so no one is getting those notifications (it's Sammylp250). Cordless Larry (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Fixing a ping doesn't work, Thegooduser - they only trigger if you get the username right in the same edit that you sign. See Wikipedia:Notifications#Triggering events. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: Sorry about that, but what is his username? Thegooduser talk 17:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

It's Sammylp250 (you were using a capital I rather than a lower-case L before). Cordless Larry (talk) 17:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: Ah I gotcha. Alright then, well I'll keep watching and see what happens. Sammylp250 (talk) 19:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Sammylp250: Re this edit, you'll find that the ping didn't work, because the ping and the signature need to be part of the same edit, see WP:Notifications which Cordless Larry pointed out to you in the earlier message. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

How to delete a draft page?

I need to delete this draft Draft:Nin x Nin: Ninja Hattori-kun, the Movie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudra Tenio Chakraborty (talk • contribs) 19:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

If an administrator interprets the history as being that you made the only significant contribution to the page, you could try putting {{db-author}} at the top of the page. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

How can I SUGGEST an article to improve ?

I would like to suggest an article to improve : the article Naturopathy.

There are now several comments underlining the non-neutral tone of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Naturopathy

I would like to be able to suggest new, more objective contributors, to contribute and improve this article.

Where can I do that ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwjohnson (talk • contribs) 10:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The Naturopathy article doesn't lack objective contributors. It does lack citations of reliable evidence for one of the viewpoints expressed on its talk page. If you can provide references to such evidence, you should do so. Maproom (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Naturopathy is a highly contested article. Before you jump into this hot water I suggest you visit the Talk for the article, read the current strings of comments, then go to the archived parts of Talk and read THOSE comments. It is very, very likely that what you are thinking of as improvements has been thoroughly chewed over. And perhaps spat out. Also, that any potential contributors you want to invite may be dismayed by the contentious nature of this article. David notMD (talk) 21:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia adventure

Why can't I play the Wikipedia adventure on Wikipedia.Whistle toe llll (talk) 13:19, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Whistle toe llll and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm guessing that the reason you can't play the Wikipedia Adventure is because you are trying to do it on a mobile device. There's a disclaimer on the game page Unfortunately, this game is not supported on tablets and smaller mobile devices and no indication if this is likely to be fixed.

If you're having trouble on a traditional desktop system browser, you'll need to supply more details for us to be able to make any suggestions. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

They appear to be a mobile editor. Would the issue be fixed by using desktop view, or is it related to the small screen? A lad insane talk 15:19, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

In my experience, Whistle toe llll the desktop site is fully functional on Android devices such as smartphones, and that is how I do 98% of my editing. My general advice to mobile users who run across problems is to try the desktop site.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Administrator/bureaucrat distinction

As far as I know this has never happened and would not really have any reason to happen, but would it technically be possible for an editor to have bureaucrat rights, but not administrator? I know it's a strange question, just curious. A lad insane talk 15:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@A lad insane: Yes, it is possible. You may be interested in Special:ListGroupRights if you haven't read it already. It's a similar question to whether or not a non-administrator can become a member of the arbitration committee. Alex Shih (talk) 15:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Just to add, if it ever does happen, I suppose it would be similar to administrator and edit filter managers; since admins can assign the EFM group to themselves as it doesn't come automatically with the administrator user group rights. Alex Shih (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks! A lad insane talk 23:33, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

How to edit Madeleine Arthur's wikipedia article

Hi there,

Madeleine Arthur's page states that she is only a Canadian citizen. In fact, Madeleine became a dual US and Canadian citizen when she was 17. For that matter, Madeleine has her UK passport since birth, as her mother, Jane, was born there.

I would have edited her page myself but I thought that it would be a conflict of interest for me or other family to do it. How do we get this page edited without a COI?

Kind regards,

Brian Arthur 24.84.205.184 (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Brian. Yes you do have a COI. The link will provide more information, but best practice would be for you to leave a message on her article's talk page, declaring your conflict of interest and requesting an edit be made. Please however, keep in mind that you must provide secondary sources to verify that what you are requesting is factual. What you know, or even what you may have primary documents for, is not considered adequate sourcing here. John from Idegon (talk) 00:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Just adding that Wikipedia:Simple COI request provides easy instructions for making the type of request that John from Idegon suggests. Cordless Larry (talk) 00:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

How to get a school published

I created a listing for Rosemead Prep because of this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_in_the_London_Borough_of_Lambeth

Certain schools in our category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Steiner_School, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakfield_Preparatory_School) have been published with very similar content but ours was rejected.

Any idea why? I don't mind not having a page but it looks like a reference guide/template is trying to be created so I would have thought completing it would be a good idea. Mrandrewsoong (talk) 09:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mrandrewsoong: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As the person who declined your draft posted, the draft does not adequately show how the subject meets notability guidelines(in this case WP:ORG). The article must have independent reliable sources that give in depth coverage(not just a mere mention) of the school. Having notable alumni is not sufficient as notability is not inherited by association. If you have independent reliable sources, please offer them.

Beware in citing other pages, see Other stuff exists. Each page is judged on its own merits. As Wikipedia is a volunteer effort, people do what they can when they can, and often inappropriate pages get through, sometimes for years. The first page you cite does not seem appropriately sourced either, and the second only barely so IMO.

Your use of "ours" suggests to me that you work for this school; if that is true, then you must read about conflict of interest at WP:COI and paid editing at WP:PAID before you edit further, the latter is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use if you are editing for your employer or otherwise paid to edit. You should also read Your First Article before you edit further. If you have a conflict of interest, you need to set aside everything you know about the school and only write the draft based on what independent sources state about it(which some exceptions for basic information like location, number of students, etc.) This is usually difficult(though not impossible) for people in your situation to do. 331dot (talk) 09:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mrandrewsoong. The system whereby drafts are created and then reviewed by experienced editors is still relatively new (a few years old now), whereas the two other school articles you have linked to date to 2006 and 2007. It might seem unfair that they exist and the draft you have submitted is being held to a higher standard, but with more than 5 million articles on Wikipedia, it's obviously going to take us a long time to weed out all of the poor, old articles and either delete or improve them. In the meantime, if new submissions are held to a higher standard, the overall standard of Wikipedia articles will rise. I have tagged the two articles you refer to as reading like adverts and lacking sufficient sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry, with more than 5 million articles on Wikipedia, it's obviously going to take us a long time to weed out all of the poor, old articles and either delete or improve them...then no more breaks for you!!..just kidding, sorry!--Malerooster (talk) 01:19, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing it up.

Mrandrewsoong (talk) 10:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Mrandrewsoong -- I have created a bunch of school articles. Secondary schools usually get a pass. If you have a conflict of interest, you can post some details at my talk page and we'll go from there. Rhadow (talk) 14:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Removing "Ad" template from a page

Hello Teahouse hosts,

The Wear It Purple page recently had the "Advertisement" template added by a bot account. The page shares information about an LGBT+ awareness day, I created it last year.

I'm aware that templates can't be removed without addressing the issue - but I'm wondering whether the template should have been applied in the first place? The page refers to many news sources and is pretty thorough. It does have an external link to the official organisation at the base of the page (standard practice). Criticism of, and opposition to, the day is also listed to avoid bias.

Is it possible to remove the template, or does the page require substantial changes? I didn't want to remove it without checking.

Thank you for your time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_it_Purple_Day

SunnyBoi (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi SunnyBoi, the tag wasn't actually added by a bot. The bot just dated the tag added by Mean as custard. Looking at the page, I can't se how it reads as and advertisement either and think the tag can be removed. NZFC^(talk) 21:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi NZFC^(talk), thanks so much for your message, that makes sense - I'm sorry I didn't read the edit history correctly. I appreciate your feedback, I'll remove the tag now. Cheers, SunnyBoi SunnyBoi (talk) 04:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Credit where credit is due

Is it not a disincentive to an editor to create an article that is AfD'd as [[WP:TOOSOON], then have an another editor swoop in and use the created text without attribution on the day that the subject becomes notable? Have a look at this discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geoffrey Berman. "Userfy it," "Save it for the day," etc, etc. Then when the day comes, all is forgotten. Rhadow (talk) 14:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Using the same text without attribution would be a violation of Wikipedia's licensing and would need to be rectified ASAP (e.g. by restoring the previously deleted history). However, the first revision of Geoffrey Berman looks wholly dissimilar to the last revision of the deleted version to me, so that doesn't seem to have happened here. Other than that, we all agree to release our contributions to the community to do what they will with it, whether that's deleting, undeleting, completely rewriting, etc. The closing admin of the AfD did give ~~the creator~~ you the opportunity to have the content userfied for later. – Joe (talk) 14:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't notice that you had created the article originally. I think I understand better now. When you reintroduced the old content in this edit, you were technically introducing a copyright violation because it incorporated a change by Power~enwiki as well as your own contributions. I've restored the old history to fix that.

I'm not sure what to say about the rest. Shit happens? – Joe (talk) 14:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Joe -- I understand stuff happens, and I cannot fault the creator of a new article yesterday. When he or she popped up the create window, there was a notice that a previously created page had been deleted. In our excitement to create new stuff, that notice is often disregarded. The delay involved with retrieving the text from the archive is a part of that. When there is a race to create a new article, what should we expect? Let's face it, there is a race when current events are involved. I happily relinquish all rights to my text when I press publish, but I hate to see history rewritten. You fixed that, and I thank you. I just hope that we haven't built some perverse incentives into our WP:TOOSOON policy. Rhadow (talk) 14:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The fact is that this is a case of "what goes around, comes around". User:Rhadow is a fairly new editor that has spent most of his time PROD-ing articles, so it is hilarious to see him come to the Teahouse to complain about a new article that he wrote had been deleted. At least he now knows what it feels like when someone else decides that an article you invested time and effort to write has now been removed. Perhaps now, he will be a little more consideration when PRODing. - Morphenniel (talk) 12:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

The use of poetry excerpts in the biography of a living poet

Hi,

I am creating a biography of a female Scottish poet (Wikiproject Women Red List). I have reviewed existing Wikipedia biographies of poets and noticed some articles have poetry excerpts.I like the blocked poetry excerpts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mackay_Brown

I cannot find any information that lets me know if it is ok to add an excerpt of poetry to a living poet's biography.

Thanks for your help

MauraWen (talk) 19:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello MauraWen -- If the poet lives, the work is almost certainly covered by copyright. Fair use allows a snippet, but in most cases a snippet long enough to be illustrative would also be too long to count as fair use. Rhadow (talk) 19:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!

Woops. Thanks! MauraWen (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, MauraWen. I believe that quoting three or four lines of a poem is not a problem, as long as you attribute the quotation properly. This is especially true if a literary critic has already quoted that part of the poem as illustrative of that poet's style. I used this very technique the other day in Gregory Scofield. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:15, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Getting back to your example of the George Mackay Brown poem. What is in the box is a complete poem. It is not 'From' "A Work for Poets." It IS "A Work for Poets." That said, a search on the poet and "A Work for Poets" yields dozens of websites that reproduce the poem in its entirety. Does this mean Wikipedia can do the same? David notMD (talk) 02:09, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

No. Copyrights violations abound on the internet, but Wikipedia is pretty strict about that (for an extreme example, our page about Kim Jong-Un does not include a photograph, because the immense majority of such photographs come from the NK regime and are not freely-licensed). It could hint that the poem has been properly released with a compatible free license, but that sounds highly dubious. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I shortened the quote to the last three lines from the poem. David notMD (talk) 17:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Talk page has the wrong lablel

I just moved Carol Palmer to new article. I had grabbed the talk page code from Marion McCready and edited to reflect Carol Palmer.

Now Carol Palmer's talk page has the name Marion McCready and I cannot seem to fix it.

Thanks MauraWen (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, MauraWen. I remove the incorrect redirect for you. You do not need to do anything to create a talk page for a new article. The software will automatically create a blank talk page for use by anyone. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

thanks Cullen MauraWen (talk) 18:19, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

I want to write about an upcoming game

Is it okay for me to talk about a game that hasn't released yet?IsaiahBagles (talk) 17:43, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IsaiahBagles, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm assuming that you want to create a new article. The answer is yes, provided that the game has been covered in significant detail by reliable sources that are unaffiliated with the makers of that game. See Wikipedia:Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. There is some related discussion about video games in particular at Wikipedia:Notability (video games). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IsaiahBagles. Whether or not a topic is appropriate for this encyclopedia depends on the amount of coverage that it has received in reliable, independent sources. In general, most games should not have an encyclopedia article before release, but perhaps a few highly anticipated games might.

It is very difficult for a new editor to successfully write an acceptable new article. We suggest that you spend some time improving existing articles first You are free to work on a draft but you have to be sure that it complies with our policies and guidelines before it becomes an encyclopedia article. Please read Your first article for guidance. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:57, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

User:IsaiahBagles - I agree with the previous comments, but have a question. Are you somehow involved with the unreleased game, such as being one of the game developers? If so, you have a conflict of interest and should read the conflict of interest guidelines and consider whether you can write in a neutral way about the game, and you will need to declare your interest. If not, and an unreleased game merely interests you, you might take the above advice and improve existing articles on games. New editors can often do better to help us with any of the five million articles that we have rather than one article that we do not have. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Delete user page

How do I delete my user page? and how do I change my username? and how do I change my signature that previous my signature don't be shown at history and also here? and how do I permanently delete a page on user talk page? thanks. Alireza Badali (talk) 19:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Somewhat moot, since you've been indefinitely blocked, but the information to change your username is at WP:UNC. Otherwise, you can blank your user page, but not delete it, and you can likewise blank discussions on your user talk page. Ravenswing 23:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Guestbook?

This isn't urgent at all, but when I try to put the link to my guestbook on my user page nothing happens. Any suggestions? MossBoss254 ^Talk 01:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mossboss254 and welcome to the Teahouse. You have already created a guestbook, but they are not very popular here because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a social media site. I've taken the liberty of editing your userpage to add square brackets to make the link to your guestbook so that people will find it, but please don't waste time asking people to sign it. If anyone wants to get in touch with you about your editing, they will use your talk page. Dbfirs 01:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Mossboss254. I've never signed anyone's guestbook (nor rarely even seen one in use) in my eight years here. But I spotted on your user page you're a really young new editor - and we need people like you. So I'm off to be the first one to sign it. Enjoy your Wikicareer here! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your help :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mossboss254 (talk • contribs) 01:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

How do I request a review of an article's quality rating?

I've been copy-editing the Dragonar Academy article, and I noticed that on the talk page it is rated as a "Start-class" article. However, the rating was last updated on 07:58, 4 August 2014, and the article has changed since then. I think it could now pass for at least C class, if not B, so how do I request the quality rating to be reviewed? QuietOwl (talk) 09:19, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi QuietOwl. You can change it yourself, or as on the talk page of the relevant WikiProjects (i.e. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga). – Joe (talk) 12:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Joe Roe, I'll ask on the WikiProject talk page. QuietOwl (talk) 03:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)