Entertainment desk
< June 11	<< May \| June \| Jul >>	Current desk >

Welcome to the Wikipedia Entertainment Reference Desk Archives
The page you are currently viewing is an archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the current reference desk pages.

June 12[edit]

What genre is this kind of music?[edit]

Is it classical? It sounds distinctly different from traditional classical musics but I wouldn't put it in the same category, maybe a sub category of classical? I don't know much about music though, what genre is it? -- penubag (talk) 08:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Elevator_music 196.214.78.114 (talk) 08:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why the sarcastic comment? -- penubag (talk) 08:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

None intended. Have you read the article? In my opinion the clip fits the description. 196.214.78.114 (talk) 08:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW I agree. The "pretty" melody accompanied by an extremely tedious and repetitive base line is typical of elevator music. Classical music is usually much more creative.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:59, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See also Muzak. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:21, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It reminds me a bit of what Liberace played, but I can't find a reference to what genre he performed in. Mingmingla (talk) 23:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The bit around 1:20 sounds a bit Spanish, but not sure if pianos are grounds for flamenco disqualification. In any case, it wasn't prevalent. Might want to see Mikhail Glinka#The value of creativity, if you haven't, for how people described his general style, though not this particular piece. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is the question about the composition or the performance? The performance, according to the file description, is synthesized and thus not how the composer intended, of course. There are plenty of other versions using real instruments on YouTube ("Mikhail Glinka's Barcarole in G major"). Other than to say it's piano music, a barcarole, international music, or traditional Russian music, why is it inappropriate to categorize it as classical? --— Rhododendrites ^talk | 18:14, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

en passant[edit]

If en passant was made to avoid pawns using 2step move to escape capture why cant other pieces capture a pawn with a analogue en passant move?

1- 2 step rule was made to speed up the game 2- But now pawns can skip capture by jumping 2 times. 3- This means rule changed and game and not just made a speed up. 4- To fix this problem, if some pawn would be able to capture a another pawn that moved 2 step (in the case he moved only one step), he can make his normal capture move moving to this empty (because pawn moved 2 steps instead of one) place and capture the pawn.

But imagine that 1- pawn have 2 step rules 2- if a pawn move one time he would be able to be captured by a rook 3- he moves 2 times and escape it 4- rook cant do something about it. 201.78.189.200 (talk) 12:42, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The history of the En passant move explains its origin and purpose. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it doesn't say why 201.78's alternative rule wasn't used. But there is a simple explanation: the rook can do something about it, because it can move backwards and capture the pawn later. It may not be practical to do it right away, but that's just part of the game. The opposing pawn, on the other hand, would always have had the opportunity to capture under the old rule (no double step), but without en passant, it would never have it. --69.158.92.137 (talk) 19:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would be an interesting chess variant, though, if all pieces could make the double move and be captured en passant: and I think that's already been invented by Ralph Betza as "Doublestep Chess". Obviously, en passant captures (by any piece in this variant) would have to be single moves. He specifically forbids null moves like Nc3-e4-c3, which seems logical as (1) pawns and kings (see below) can't do that as part of their double move and (2) that would invalidate zugzwang.

If you think about it, castling is really a doublemove (or perhaps a triplemove, as the rook jumps over the king as well), and this is why you can't castle through check. Here the capture could be effected by any piece, but that is simply because the king is a royal piece and thus cannot be captured.

On that page, Betza also has the related "Doubletime Chess", where the second part of the double move can be a capture. This leads to the result that if a piece captures using a doublemove, and then is taken en passant, the piece was uncaptured. (Obviously, given a Black Kf8 and a White Re1, ...Kf8xe8 would be illegal after Re1-e8xf8, because the king is not on the board now!)

In a way I suppose you could say that when a pawn moves two squares, it turns into a sort of superposition of having moved one square and having moved two squares, and collapses into the former state if and only if an en passant capture was subsequently made, and into the latter state otherwise. This leads to the "uncapturing" effect in Doubletime Chess, as the situation has collapsed into the one where the piece was never captured. Double sharp (talk) 01:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Home run in first pitch of career - has it ever been done?[edit]

Hi there. Mark Craig recently scored a six - the highest score that can be made from a single shot, caused by hitting the ball out of the ground without it bouncing first - from the first ball he faced in Test cricket - the pinnacle format of international cricket. As a cricket fan with a lot of American family/friends and someone who thinks he could really get into baseball, I am wondering: has anyone ever hit the first pitch they ever faced at professional/top-flight/etc. for a home run, or even a grand slam? S.G.^(GH) _ping! 20:08, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's been done. Wikipedia has a list here. Look for players with # to see those that hit on the first pitch, and #& (or &#) is first pitch plus grand slam, for example Daniel Nava. RudolfRed (talk) 20:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I should point out that it is possible to score more than six from one delivery in cricket. The test record is eight (a run four with four overthrows) by Andrew Symonds (AUS v NZ, The Gabba, November 2008) [ref], and the first-class record is 10 by one S. H. Wood (Derbyshire v MCC, Lord's, 1900). [ref]. Tevildo (talk) 21:15, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oddly, one of the baseball players on that list is Hoyt Wilhelm, a Hall of Fame pitcher who played 21 seasons. He hit a home run in his first time at bat (not the first pitch) and never hit another. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 05:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ol' Hoyt was not much of a hitter. I haven't been able to confirm just where that ball landed, but his own comments suggested it was right down the line at the Polo Grounds, which was 279 feet to left and 258 feet to right (he was a right-hand batter, so presumably left field). What's even more astonishing is that he was 28 years old when made his MLB debut, and still managed to play for 21 seasons. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So four people have hit grand slams on their maiden at bat? That's more than I expected. S.G.^(GH) _ping! 11:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC) Are there pitchers who have given up a home run on their first career pitch? Staecker (talk) 12:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the list of pitchers who allowed a homer to the first batter they faced; those whose first pitch was hit deep are in bold (there are 11 of them). [1] --Xuxl (talk) 13:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]