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Love the Way You Lie

Previous peer review

This peer review discussion has been closed.
I've delayed the planned peer review request for this article by about nine months now, taking time to revise it multiple times. I think it's ready for a third eye before FAC after quite some trimming, copyediting and reorganizing. All commentators welcome, and I'll be forever in your debt. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 19:51, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments from AJona1992

• Here's what I found while reading the lead, if you want me to review the whole article just ping me =) and best of luck, Jona^{talk to me} 01:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
• Why did you start if off with "... his 2010 studio album Recovery." instead of "... his seventh studio album Recovery."? I also suggest you to unlink studio album in this sentence.
  • I guess I thought it was repetitive to say "seventh studio album" and then "second single", but it's not as repetitive as "2010 studio album" and then "released in August 9, 2010". Done, and unlinked!
    • What about It was released as the second single from the album on August 9, 2010, through Interscope-Geffen-A&M. Jona^{talk to me} 13:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
      • Followed your suggestion, but slightly tweaked so that readers don't think there were two singles released on that date: "It was released on August 9, 2010, as the second single from the album through Interscope-Geffen-A&M."
• Skylar Grey is an American singer, which needs to be added per WP:PCR.
  • Added "American".
• I also suggest you to unlink recording sessions
  • This is something I feel reluctant to do, because not many readers will know what a recording session is. It may be obvious to us what it means, but not to everyone. But I am second guessing this and may eventually unlink "Recording sessions".
• This sentence "The song was received favorably by critics for the lyrics." I understand what you are trying to convey but it reads lousy, it can also help if you provide which part of the lyrics they generally favored, or if they just liked the lyrics of the song wouldn't it best to say "The song was received favorably by critics, who favored its lyrical content."? or similar.
  • Re-written to "The song was received favorably by most critics, who complimented its realistic themes."
• You also have some archiving to do before it's too late
  • Have archived the green ones and will archive 'em all soon. Just a few more to go!

  Thank you wholeheartedly for this review! Definitely worth the wait. Please feel free to go further down the article, but no pressure if you don't want to or are busy. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 09:45, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Writing and production

• "a drum rhythm with software" - can you provide which software he used? otherwise it doesn't really make sense.
  • Removed "with software" and wrote "...produced an electronic drum rhythm". The source does not specify the program used, so this is as concise as I can get.
• So you link recording sessions per your understanding of others not too knowing of music terminology, though you left sampled unlink. Do you feel as though readers will understand the word 'sampled' in the text?
  • Linked!
• Again WP:PCR is needed for Grey
  • Right, done.

Recording sessions

• Remove the space found between Strange's review and the period that follows.
  • Fixed typo.
• "but Eminem liked it" - liked what? the addition of a acoustic guitar?
  • "...but Eminem liked the instrumentation" is what I wrote.

Composition and theme

• "is mainly about" doesn't sit well with me, maybe rewrite it like so "Love the Way You Lie", talks about an abusive relationship in which the couple's love is too strong for them to separate. or "Love the Way You Lie", centers (or explores, analyzes, scrutinize) an abusive relationship in which the couple's love is too strong for them to separate.
  • I like "explore". Done!

Chart performance and sales

• Numbers here does not follow WP:ORDINAL which states "As a general rule, in the body of an article, single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words..."
  • In exceptions: "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: we may write either 5 cats and 32 dogs or five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs." Chart positions and weeks apply here.
• "On the Danish Singles Chart, the song first appeared at number 14 and rose to the top 6 weeks later" - care to inform us which week that was?
  • Done and tidied to follow chronology.
• "It charted in Canada for 35 weeks" could be merged with another sentence
  • Merged with the sentence that comes after.
• Why only wikilink South Korea? and even so, why link it?
  • No idea how that got there...

Music video (background)

• "Rosenberg gave Kahn one day." to do what?
  • Expanded and reworded.

Live performances

• Isn't it redundant to say people here "in front of an audience of almost 80,000 people"? (found another example in the last para)
  • Nice catch! Wrote "for almost 80,000 people" and "for an audience of 120,000" respectively for some variation.

Cover versions

• Per WP:BIO remove Russian-American to just Russian, Alex Feather Akimov was born in Russia not the United States.
  • Done.

References

• Remove redlink found on FN#88
  • Removed red link.
• I did not thoroughly checked the referencing styles, but it looks perfectly fine to me. Shouldn't be a problem at FAC.

I enjoyed reading the whole article and found it to be well written and has a possibility of passing FAC. I hope for the best on this article and good luck . Best, Jona^{talk to me} 13:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank for the thorough review. Your points are greatly appreciated and I will repay you someday. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Comments from Crisco 1492

Bear with me for a bit, this will probably take a while. Also note that I have next to no knowledge of hip hop or rap.

• Worth a link to Alex da Kid in the lede?
  • I would say so, likely because he has an article and is relevant to the topic enough.
• Link midtempo to tempo (music)?
  • Done.
• "explores two lovers" - I started hearing Marvin Gaye when I read this line. Perhaps a word other than "explore", or something to qualify "lovers" like "explores the tale of..."
  • Switched to "describes"
• Worth redlinks to the different music companies in #Writing?
  • Probably not, unlinked.
• "reinventing herself" - Unclear, perhaps unnecessary. At the very least use quotes if this is a direct quote.
  • Removed as it is a muddy phrase.
• "He emailed Grey his recording," - Who emailed Grey whose recordings?
  • Replaced pronoun with "Alex da Kid".
• "a process that came naturally," - Perhaps "a process that she found came naturally,", as it is ultimately her opinion.
  • Done.
• "which included a hook." - You said it included a hook earlier. What's the point of repeating this? Did the hook play a role in why Eminem chose the song?
  • Removed.
• "ideal for the part." - Why?
  • The source doesn't say why, and it's hard to paraphrase the quotation concisely, so I just used it verbatim in quotation marks. This is probably not much better, but I'll see.
• "Alex da Kid was absent." - You said he was British earlier. Why would he be at the recording sessions, especially if (maybe) he had to fly halfway around the world to do it?
  • Removed.
• "in Dublin" - Ireland? Michigan?
  • Ireland, per album notes (Temple Bar is in Ireland). Clarified.

That's it for today. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the comments. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 12:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

• "4:23 (4 minutes, 23 seconds)" - Erm... it's rare to see this in text. That looks quite awkward too, having it repeated twice. Any way around it?
• On May 27, 2010, Eminem revealed "Love the Way You Lie" with the rest of the Recovery tracks, which were released... - Released as tracks, or released on an album? This should be made clearer.
  • Re-worded.
• "'Love the Way You Lie' was favored by most critics." - Perhaps "received favorable reviews"
  • Done.
• "its top-210 list" - 2010, perhaps?
  • Done.
• "On April 26, 2011, Gabriel Alvarez of Complex magazine put it at the bottom of their 100 Best Eminem Songs list, writing that it is a love song in which Rihanna sings beautifully." - Huh? Bottom, so like number 85 or something?
  • Right at the bottom, clarified.
• "Eminem's first number-1 hit on the Rap Songs chart since "The Real Slim Shady"" - In what year?
  • Done; 2000.
• "It lasted 26 weeks, 8 of which were spent at number 1." - Perhaps add "on the charts"
  • Moved it to where it was supposed to be. Hopefully there won't be any more confusion.
• The numerous "it"s are quite repetitive in the charts section, any way to cut back on them? Perhaps "the song" or "Love the Way You Lie" or something...
  • Replaced a few instances with "The song", "the single" and "the track". —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 09:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
  • That's it for today. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)