Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Wright brothers 2nd nom

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Original – The Wright brothers at the peak of their career in 1905. Their most successful trials were between September 26 and October 5, 1905.

Reason: Well known inventors, the Wright brothers. This set has been the lead image since 2014 [1]. I have searched for a better set, but this is as good as it gets. Wilbur's nose is a bit out of focus, but not enough to be much of a distraction. The Library of Congress lists the brothers as photographers! which is interesting. There is a larger version of Wilbur's photo Here, but the nominated crop makes a better set. The images have good EV and show them in 1905. Their most successful trials were between September 26 and October 5, 1905. The images are restored. This is the second nomination, hopefully it will pass this time.
Articles in which this image appears: Wright brothers
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Science and engineering
Creator: Wright brothers per LOC [2], [3], restored by: Scewing and Bammesk

Support as nominator – Bammesk (talk) 03:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Bammesk, I hope you saved the TIFF file of the restoration before converting to JPEG. I hate to criticize an editors restoration but Wilbur's face could use a little more work. Some of those scratches under his left eye can be removed. I tried for a few minutes and I was able to heal them with no loss of detail. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll remove them, it is going to be in a day or two though. FYI, I uploaded an effectively lossless version Here, the 26 May 2015 version. Hope you stick around to re-evaluate later (in a day or two). Bammesk (talk) 04:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to. Please ping me. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Coffeeandcrumbs: Done. I uploaded a new version. Bammesk (talk) 19:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Armbrust: ~~let's suspend this nom if I can. It may take longer than I thought.~~ Bammesk (talk) 16:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I moved this back up for voting. Bammesk (talk) 20:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support – --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The left-hand photo is pure b&w, but there's color info in the right-hand one. That unbalance mars the pair in my eyes... --Janke | Talk 16:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Janke, that's how the originals are. I can add a little tone to the left image, or I can remove the tone of the right image (as in this upload). Are you open to supporting either scenario? If yes, do you have a preference? Bammesk (talk) 02:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC) . . . Keep in mind there is more contrast and shadow on Orville's face (left image), and there is more lighting on Wilbur's coat (right image). Those differences cannot be changed (because of no original research).[reply]

Support anyway, I only noticed that the mix pops out so clearly... --Janke | Talk 08:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

With a bit of judicious use of curves and desaturation, a much better balanced pair can be created, without any "original research"... see this quick example - but I'll leave the final (if any) adjustments to you... --Janke | Talk 14:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If we're editing to make a deliberate pair, could Wilbur also be cropped a little tighter to match Orville? TSP (talk) 02:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TSP, the images have been stable for 6 years, I think we should accept the crops as they are. Janke, the demo is noisy but I will look into it. Bammesk (talk) 03:12, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Janke: I touched up the images. I don't think the edits are controversial, so I uploaded on top of existing files. It might take a while for browsers to react, so you may have to open the actual uploads to see the latest version. Bammesk (talk) 03:45, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support any. MER-C 17:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support either, prefer Janke's alternative balanced pair. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support either Geoffroi 21:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust: you haven't closed this nom, do you have any concerns about closing it? Bammesk (talk) 04:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Orville Wright 1905-crop.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:49, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Wilbur Wright-crop.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]