Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs in Guitar Hero
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The list was promoted 07:02, 6 April 2008.
List of songs in Guitar Hero[edit]
Self-nomination - Looking at the standards and criteria for FLs, I feel this list is appropriate for one; I've had a peer review done that suggests that this is also the case, implementing the changes suggested from that. --MASEM 02:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- A reference is needed for the sentence "Guitar Hero's gameplay features...."
- References are needed for the sentences in the prose of "Main setlist" and "Bonus songs" section
- Is there any information anywhere on the number of key presses each song has on the various levels?
- While the page itself is good, I can't help but feel it needs some "va-va-voom", though I can't think of anything specific. ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 02:18, 25 March, 2008
- First two I can get. When you say "number of key presses each song has" are you talking the total number of notes within each song? This is not standard information, and even Gamefaqs lacks it; also, this points to Drewcifer's comment below that there's a certain "fan" approach that this would add. As for the fourth point, the only thing I was trying to add was a screenshot of the song select list to give an idea of how it's presented, but I can't find one for that. --MASEM 04:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Outside of points 3 and 4, the references have been addressed. --MASEM 14:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- On a side note, I realized at least some "voom" that can be added, by including Commons pics for some artists (as long as there's a relevant factoid that connects them more than just being in the game). Here, for example, one can comment that Zack Wylde of Black Label Society requested they have a song in the game (& documented), alongside a commons picture of Zack; in anticipation for GH2's list, I can similarly state that Buckethead wrote Jordan for the game, alongside a commons picture of the player. As long as I'm pulling from Commons, a few pictures of this type does help to break the page a bit. --MASEM 23:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments I was hoping to see one of these GH lists here some day. Overall the list looks good, I do however have a few suggestions. First, I would urge you to take into consideration the other two lists for GH2 and GH3, and find some sort of format that suits them all, before settling one here that doesn't work in the others. This is more of a meta-suggestion, but it would be awkward to have three basically similar lists that are all formatted completely differently, as they are now. Second, I think the list is organized a little bit from the fan's perspective, rather than from the perspective of a reader trying to learn more about the game. What I mean by this is mainly the division of the list into sections per game section. The average reader would be unaware of these divisions, and to me their importance to the list seems somewhat minor. Additionally, it doesn't allow one to see/sort a list of all the songs in one table. Usually you would want to split up a list by the type of item being listed (in this case dividing it up into main songs, downloadable/bonus songs, and miscellaneous songs), but further dividing it up based on the progression within the game seems unneccessary. As a compromise, I would suggest putting them all into a single table, and adding a third column for the section of the game. That way, we can still sort by the order they are presented in the game, but we can also order all of the songs by artist and song title too. Lastly, I've only played GH3, but does GH1 mention the year of the songs? That might be a good column to add. Drewcifer (talk) 04:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- GH1 does not include year information within the game; thus any inclusion is border OR. However, I do agree that I can make a table, keeping the tier and orders appropriately, which should be able to extend to the other games. I am trying to think ahead, and this may be an issue if/when we bring List of songs in Rock Band to FLC, because now there's 5 tiers to consider, which the current page has. However, I do plan to use the input here to bring GH2/GH3's lists to the same level. --MASEM 04:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've made the article into one table, which I think works fine (sorting on table using hidden fields to keep the order). I can see this working for the other games in the series. --MASEM 14:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Great, looks good. I have a few more minor suggestions: the lead should have a bolded introduction. An external links section would be nice. The citations need a bit of cleanup. Full attribution should be given across the board. Also check for publisher values that link to disambiguation pages. References 4, 5, 6, and 10 aren't references, their notes. They should be in their own section or at the bottom of the section they apply to. See Christopher Walken filmography for an example. Drewcifer (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- These details should be corrected. --MASEM 15:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The references still need some polishing (some still link to disambiguation pages). Also, Forums aren't considered reliable sources, so that source needs to be replaced. Drewcifer (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's where I have a problem: there's no source for the "Graveyard Shift" song that isn't a forum and/or of less reputation (eg youtube). Arguable, I can point to score tables at ScoreHero that says the song is present, but not even Gamefaqs lists the song. Any suggestions here? --MASEM 18:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can empathize with your dilemma, but unfortunately a Forum can't be considered a good source. In fact I'm not even sure if ScoreHero or Andrewbuch.com would be considered reliable sources either. Try and find some info on IGN or something like that. Unfortunately, this is a deal breaker for me, so I hope you can figure something out. Drewcifer (talk) 06:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, the question is, I'm trying to think what can be done here. There's two issues; first is that the "Graveyard Shift" song is by some person is only supported by a forum post; that "fact" can be removed because that's the only source I can find for it. This still leaves the demonstration of the existance of the two "hidden" songs; their existance is shown through many many fourm posts and blogs and a couple cheat code lists that include the appropriate code to enter, but no major site mentions them (there's a post at Kotaku that basically ends up back at Andrewbuch.com). It seems poor to deny these exist, nor (after removing the authorship for the second track) is it a dubious claim. --MASEM 13:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I honestly don't have a good solution for you. But if the Graveyard Shift track was an unofficial track (which it sounds like it was), it probably shouldn't be included anyways. Otherwise, try and find some additional/alternate sources. Drewcifer (talk) 06:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added a few more sources, not the most reliable sources in the world, I don't know if that will help. There is a printed source (the published book of GameShark codes) as well that I'm trying to see if someone has already, but that's likely the best source in terms of reliability. If these fail, would moving information to a footnote be appropriate, or that still the same situation? --MASEM 15:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I honestly don't have a good solution for you. But if the Graveyard Shift track was an unofficial track (which it sounds like it was), it probably shouldn't be included anyways. Otherwise, try and find some additional/alternate sources. Drewcifer (talk) 06:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, the question is, I'm trying to think what can be done here. There's two issues; first is that the "Graveyard Shift" song is by some person is only supported by a forum post; that "fact" can be removed because that's the only source I can find for it. This still leaves the demonstration of the existance of the two "hidden" songs; their existance is shown through many many fourm posts and blogs and a couple cheat code lists that include the appropriate code to enter, but no major site mentions them (there's a post at Kotaku that basically ends up back at Andrewbuch.com). It seems poor to deny these exist, nor (after removing the authorship for the second track) is it a dubious claim. --MASEM 13:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can empathize with your dilemma, but unfortunately a Forum can't be considered a good source. In fact I'm not even sure if ScoreHero or Andrewbuch.com would be considered reliable sources either. Try and find some info on IGN or something like that. Unfortunately, this is a deal breaker for me, so I hope you can figure something out. Drewcifer (talk) 06:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's where I have a problem: there's no source for the "Graveyard Shift" song that isn't a forum and/or of less reputation (eg youtube). Arguable, I can point to score tables at ScoreHero that says the song is present, but not even Gamefaqs lists the song. Any suggestions here? --MASEM 18:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The references still need some polishing (some still link to disambiguation pages). Also, Forums aren't considered reliable sources, so that source needs to be replaced. Drewcifer (talk) 16:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- These details should be corrected. --MASEM 15:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Great, looks good. I have a few more minor suggestions: the lead should have a bolded introduction. An external links section would be nice. The citations need a bit of cleanup. Full attribution should be given across the board. Also check for publisher values that link to disambiguation pages. References 4, 5, 6, and 10 aren't references, their notes. They should be in their own section or at the bottom of the section they apply to. See Christopher Walken filmography for an example. Drewcifer (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've made the article into one table, which I think works fine (sorting on table using hidden fields to keep the order). I can see this working for the other games in the series. --MASEM 14:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks good. Hope to see more GH lists here soon. Great work! Drewcifer (talk) 09:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Almost forgot! I have one more suggestion. I mentioned this earlier, but the more I think about it the more I think it's a good idea: I think a year column should be included. It's not OR, it's an undeniable fact what year a song came out, and it would be pretty easy to find out (just go to the songs article). I think that would be good because you could sort by year, and therefore see what songs are used from what era. Make sense? Also, the widths of similar columns in various tables should ideally be kept consistent. Drewcifer (talk) 03:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, do you think some rowspan would look good on the table? Also, how will that affect sorting? gren グレン 14:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Messes it up badly. User:Masem/ghrowspan for an example. I think the advise of focusing less on the order and more on just what songs are there is better. --MASEM 15:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support List looks good to me. Gary King (talk) 04:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Although I have some concerns about the notability of the topic, the page is very well formatted. -- Scorpion0422 00:23, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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