Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of elements by stability of isotopes
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 08:42, 6 July 2008 [1].
List of elements by stability of isotopes[edit]
I have worked on this list for some time and I think it should be close to completion now. It has also gone through a comprehensive review recently and thanks to Cryptic C62, lots of feedback was received. Nergaal (talk) 07:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (Now support): A solid list, but some issues.Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 20:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Elements with stable isotopes
- What are these stables isotopes? Tin has 10, which are they? Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW}
- Listing these 10 isotopes in order of "commonness" would be a good idea. Using {{Nuclide}} here would keep things from getting stretched.
- This is allready at Stable isotope#List of stable isotopes. Do you think it would help copying it here? Nergaal (talk) 19:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Elements without stable isotopes
- Table is not sortable Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW}
- It is extremely easy to switch, but then the sorting will ignore the a/d/h/min/s part. Anybody knows a way around this? Nergaal (talk) 19:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I fixed that.Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 20:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Half-life formatting is not consistent, nor is it WP:MOSNUM compliant. Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW}
- I am not sure what you mean. Could you be more specific? Nergaal (talk) 19:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I made some MOS compliant. This should give you a good enough start. Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 20:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A small legend for a, d, h, s, would be useful. Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW}
- Again, not sure what you mean. There is allready a notes section. Nergaal (talk) 19:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My bad, I didn't see it. I changed m to min, as the symbol for minute is min, and wikilink the first instances. m stands for meter.Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW} 20:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Awful lots of red links in there
- References
- Name formatting is confusing at first. Using Last, First, Last, First makes it very confusing if you don't know that. Try using A. Sonzogni, B. Dumé, P. de Marcillac, N. Coron, G. Dambier, J. LeBlanc (check if this isn't how he spells it), J.P. Molliac, or a variant. Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW}
- This is the usual formatting in academia. The reference is a {{cite journal}} one and I think this is how it is set to work. Nergaal (talk) 19:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What's your refs for the tables themselves? Place ref tags next to table title or something.Headbomb {ταλκ – WP Physics: PotW}
Comments
- Remove the bold formatting if you are going to keep the link there, per WP:BOLDTITLE.
- "See Also" section goes before "References" per WP:LAYOUT.
- "Institute of Physics Pubishing," → "Institute of Physics Publishing,"?
- For {{cite news}}, the date should be entered as 2001-01-01 per the template's documentation.
Comments
- Footnote A is worded poorly, especially with the "See discussion here" part
- Opening sentence could do with work for me, by removing "This is a list of", and don't wikilink bold text. Both per WP:LS
- "There are 80 elements of the first 82 in the periodic table that do have isotopes considered to be stable." → "Of the first 82 elements in the periodic table, 80 have stable isotopes" Or something. There's too many unnecessary words at the moment.
- Third sentence is too long with too many "and"s
- Sentence begins with "Also"
- MOS:NUM on digits and words for numbers below 10, and numbers which could be written using two words
- I think another paragraph is needed about the subject of the list, rather than (or as well as) two about the format of the list.
- Contents of "Most common isotope" column aren't wikilinked, yet those in "Longest-lived isotope" are. Do the former not have articles?
- The colours in the images are a nightmare for colorblind people. WP:ACCESS. See http://colorfilter.wickline.org/?a=1;r=;l=0;j=1;u=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elements_by_stability_of_isotopes;t=m
- "half live of over 7000" I don't know much about this sort of stuff, so 7000 whats? Years? months? seconds?
- WP:LAYOUT See also should be above the references
Comment You have an active peer review, which isn't allowed. Anyway, here arts my comments.
- In the lead sentence say "In this list, the chemical elements..." since elements aren't always classified this way.
- Explain what the numbers after the elements mean. For example, explain what the 1 is in hydrogen-1.
- Having colored charts and colored text violates one of our policies, but I don't know which one.--Dem393 (talk) 22:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Never heared this one. Say there is a policy, any suggestions for the legend? Nergaal (talk) 23:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:ACCESS. Anything in colour should also be identified in another way (text-based) for those with images turned off, colourblind people, and the like. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- so you think I should use something like "(blue) stable elements." instead for the legend? Nergaal (talk) 08:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't really know what the best way to address this would be. If someone reads a printed copy, colored text might not be much good. Especially if used in a school where it's photocopied a bunch of times. Discuss it at WT:FLC, I think. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 09:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The legend that you just put up is fine. Anyone can still read the article without having to look at the picture anyway. Besides, the periodic table you made is just a different representation of the information from the tables.
I'm happy with this lost so I support--Dem393 (talk) 20:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In the list of stable elements, footnote (b) states that the most common isotope may not be the most stable one. In addition to or instead of placing this footnote in the table header, I suggest placing it at all isotopes that are most common yet unstable. --Eddi (Talk) 08:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- I think this is an improvement, yes. I would be happy, though, to see the relevant unstable isotopes listed in their order among the stable ones, to illustrate that abundancy does not necessarily imply stability. E.g. for calcium: 40
Ca
, 44
Ca
, 42
Ca
, [48
Ca
], 43
Ca
. Could this be useful? --Eddi (Talk) 10:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think this is an improvement, yes. I would be happy, though, to see the relevant unstable isotopes listed in their order among the stable ones, to illustrate that abundancy does not necessarily imply stability. E.g. for calcium: 40
- But the article is not about the isotopes found on Earth, but about the ones that are stable. Nergaal (talk) 11:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's true, but when I read that some unstable isotopes are more abundant than some stable ones, I'm curious to see which ones those are. Perhaps it is not very interesting if the abundancy is low (like with calcium), but don't you think it could be interesting if the unstable isotopes were among, say, the top 1-2(-3) in abundancy? --Eddi (Talk) 22:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The table of elements with stable isotopes looks very nice, I think. Good work – hope the level of this fits with the rest. Please note that I have not studied the whole article in detail, and I have not considered the FL criteria. By the way, remember units (i.e. years) of the half-lives mentioned in footnotes. --Eddi (Talk) 23:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "In this list, the chemical elements are listed in terms of the nuclear stability of their most stable isotopes." Wow - that's a bit of an unengaging and in-yer-face opening statement for me. Can it begin by saying what a stable isotope is or something? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support—but can you space the equals signs on both sides, as per MOS? TONY (talk) 08:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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