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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 04:46, 12 June 2008 [1].

Sendai International Music Competition[edit]

I've been working on this article for a short while in my userspace, where I moved to the mainspace, though you may have thought I hadn't edited the article much looking at the history, I have through my userspace. The Sendai International Music Competition is a violin and piano music competition based in the City of Sendai, Japan. It is exclusive only to young musicians, working as an attempt to take budding young musicians to a higher stage of their career's. I believe it satisfies the featured list criteria, therefore, I am nominating it for featured list status.

I will be here to address any concerns raised through this disscussion, and will get to them as quick as possible, I will have plenty time during the next week, and so will look forward to your comments. Sunderland06 (talk) 20:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional support: There is no need for "lastly" in "and lastly the finals". I think everyone understands that the finals are last no matter what the competition. Otherwise it's excellent. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I've took so long with this, I've been away and just there got back, and I've removed the lastly part. Sunderland06 (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose For the same reason as my comments made with the Russian Music Copmetition FLC: the title does not speak to the content of the list. Drewcifer (talk) 03:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS I'd also like to respectfully yet strongly disagree with the idea that "The competition itself is a reference." We can get away with this in some articles because the content being sourced is a physical product or something like that, but an event can't be a reference in and of itself. Drewcifer (talk) 03:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 20:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In an article such as this, I feel that "List of Sendai International Music Competition winners" would not be appropriate, the article currently describes the history and format of the competition, aswell as a list of all winners. Under the different name of "List of Sendai International Music Competition winners" the article would be solely a list of winners with the current article Sendai International Music Competition needing to be an explanation of the competition itself. In this format the music competition can be described and a list of winners be combined without the name change.
For the second issue raised, the list is fully referenced under the General reference section, the different references there cover the whole section of the article, instead of single in-line citations being repeated numerously at the end of the table.
I understand what you've said, that the article as it stands should be titled as it is. But there's a few problems with that premise. First, that there is a difference between the lead and the actual body of an article. In this case, the body (everything after the table of contents) is solely a list. The lead, well it's kind of a mess. Per WP:LEAD, the lead of an article or list should summarize the major points body of the body of the article/list. So, in other words, nothing should be discussed in the lead that is not discussed elsewhere in the article. So, in yet other words, all of the stuff that discusses anything but the winners of the competition shouldn't be in the lead, since the body of the list discusses only the winners. In fact, that would be the entire lead, since winners aren't mentioned anywhere in it. So, your options are to either a) scrap the current lead completely and rewrite it as a summary of the list contained in the body (probably not a good option), or b) move all that stuff out of the lead and into the body, and then redo the lead to summarize the body of the article as it would then stand. That seems like the better option. But then, the list becomes only a small part of a larger article and (therefore) ceases to be a list. All of that's assuming you want to keep the list's name as "Sendai International Music Competition". On the other hand, if do want to change the name to "List of winners of...", then pretty much all of the stuff in the lead (which hopefully I've established doesn't belong in the lead) doesn't really belong in the list, since it actually has nothing to do with the list of winners.
I hope all of that made sense. I don't think it's all that difficult situation to rectify, it just requires a slightly different vantage point. Drewcifer (talk) 22:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think this makes total sense. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 05:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll try to create a decent lead, and will move the part mentioning the rules to a Format section and see where it ends up. Just pick me up if I'm doing anything wrong. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 15:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is definitely looking better, but I think there's alot more content that could still be added. For example, a quick Google search brought up this and this, both of which have alot of additional info not on the main competition website. The first one has some history stuff that isn't in the article at the moment, the second has a list of some behind-the-scenes organizers. Obviously you wouldn't want to mention every last person in the list, but it might be good to mention a few of the more important organizers. So, after a quick Google search, I'm not really sure the article is comprehensive at the moment. And of course, there's the bigger issue at hand: is this a list anymore? With the new stuff, and the stuff that I've suggested to add, I would say it does not qualify as a list, and should therefore be nominated at WP:GAN not here. That's not to say the article isn't good – it's looking much better as a matter of fact – I'm just not sure this is appropriate place for its nomination. So, I still oppose. Drewcifer (talk) 20:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support with one comment. It is... isn't a very good way to start off a section. Other than that, I can't see anything wrong. Good work. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers mate, done. Sunderland06 (talk) 14:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose—needs copy-editing. - Done by Shoemakers holdiay.
  • Shouldn't have to hunt to find where Sendai is. - Mentioned in lead.
  • "awards are given to six contestants each from the violin and piano categories, with first place in each receiving the highest prize"—poor prose. each ... each. Highest prize: you have to look up high to see it? Noun plus -ing problem; see exercises here. - Better?
  • "either Europe or Asia"; remove one word. Europe
  • "the violin part"—you're referring to the vln part on the music score, are you? - No, I'm refering to the violin category in the competition, changed to category.
  • "As yet" will date quickly. As of ?2008. - Done.
  • Convert yen to US dollars too. - Done.
  • Sentence case for column keys (W) - Sorry I don't understand this part.
    • I'd suggest Tony means "Prize winners" rather than "Prize Winners"? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC) - Done.[reply]
  • Oppose needs copy editing. --Kaaveh (talk) 02:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "June 26, 2008" – wiklink so it is formatted - Done.

Gary King (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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