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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:55, 22 May 2010 [1].

List of Major League Baseball strikeout champions[edit]

List of Major League Baseball strikeout champions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): KV5 (Talk • Phils) 14:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The third list in the pitching half of the Triple Crown series. Comments appreciated and acted upon as soon as possible. Cheers. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 14:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Staxringold talkcontribs 17:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Comments from Staxringold talkcontribs 16:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the 2nd and 3rd listed "ways" of striking out the same (a dropped 3rd strike)? Shouldn't that sentence be 3 ways, with the middle two just combined into "if the pitcher throws an uncaught third strike"?
  • I pulled that from the rulebook; the cite shows four methods, so that's what I put in, even if we call them the same thing. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a fan of "Who holds the single-season strikeout record is unclear." Perhaps just "There are several players with a claim to the single-season strikeout record."?
  • You can go ahead and mark Blyleven a Hall of Famer. :) Just kidding.
  • Couple issues with the Carlton image.
  • 1. I'd remove the "truck" note in the alt text, that's not clear in the image at all.
  • 2. The "lefty" fact in the caption is uncited.
  • 3. Is it even true? Isn't he actually tied with RJ (who had 5 titles with the D-Backs)?
  • Fixed the Carlton image; I can't count. The references do verify that he is left-handed and won five, so that should do. All others cited. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The references do confirm it, but it's not stated anywhere in the article that he's left-handed or that (for example) Dazzy Vance wasn't lefty. I know it's true, but currently that caption isn't cited. I'd say just re-use the Carlton B-Ref page cite you use in the lead. Staxringold talkcontribs 17:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You got it. General reference also covers it too. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Looks good as always. Just wonder why K is used as an abbreviation for strikeouts.—Chris!c/t 19:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 06:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "which is not put in play" what does this mean (to a non-expert for instance)?
  • "are rare in practice, they have " I think "in practice" is superfluous, this is a practical list, after all, not theoretical.
  • "lowest number of strikeouts accumulated to lead a league" can you clarify what "to lead a league" means in this context?
  • 1939- two winners, three teams. worth a note. In fact, any player playing for more than one team deserves a note, and perhaps even a break-down of strikeouts for each relevant team.
  • Our own article on triple crown (which we call Triple Crown) seems to be a sort-of dab page, talking about pitching and batting. Not ideal really...
  • Per the comment above, would be worth a note next to "K" to say what you've said here.
  • Refs 2 and 167 have different date formats from the others.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Linked in play. Removed in practice. I'm aware of the deficiencies of the MLBTC article, as this is part of a topic drive to improve it. It's actually my next task. Added footnote for strikeout. I ran a script on the article to correct the dates; let me know if something gets missed. I'm not really sure how you'd like me to clarify the league leader; it's already established above which leagues are included in this article through the use of a footnote. I could duplicate that note if you'd like. The players playing for more than one team hasn't been included in any of the other articles in this series; I've got no problem doing it, but I fear that the lead may be long enough/too long already. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Multiple teams for a player seem particularly relevant when you have two players and three teams, no? Who played for whom here? As for the other niggles, no major drama. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I thought it was pretty clear. I did the best I could; it figures it was the last list in the series when I finally run into that problem. I'm honestly not sure of the best method to handle it, save writing another paragraph in the lead for the multi-team, single year winners. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I appreciate that a rowspan will kill the sorting, but in my browser, it's still ambiguous as to which player played for the Phillies. I think a note would solve it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just a note, as KV said we're fixing up articles for Major League Baseball Triple Crown, however it's not a mistake that they are listed together as both the pitching (K/ERA/W) and hitting (AVG/HR/RBI) are simply called the "Triple Crown". Staxringold talkcontribs 20:43, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think I suggested it was a mistake, I just think with five minutes work, you guys could separate the articles appropriately. Challenge. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The more complete set of articles (and thus less ambiguity) the better. If there's a chance these articles could stand alone from one another, then by all means, yes! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Double period by Lefty Grove in second paragraph.
  • Reference 23 has a publisher with three Ls in "Baseballl".
  • Ref 28 should have p. for its single-page number, not pp.
  • "tied in the American League with 113 strikeouts each. Their total of 113 is the lowest...". Two issues here. First, this occured in a different year than the NL tie before this, which isn't made clear; when reading this, I initially thought they occured in the same year. Second, the opening of the latter sentence repeats the statistic in the former, perhaps unneccessarily.
  • For the Charles Radbourne photo, there is no proof that it was published before 1923, though it was created before then. Even if this is one the newly revamped Baseball Hall of Fame site, I doubt it will say when/if the image was published. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:35, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed all but the first, which I could not locate. — KV5 • Talk • 21:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – On a second look, I couldn't find the extra period either. It's always possible that a speck of dust got on the computer and fooled me, or that too much time staring at Wikipedia pages is making me go blind (hopefully the former :-). Everything looks good now. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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