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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:54, 6 June 2009 [1].

Hank Aaron Award[edit]

Nominator(s):  iMatthew :  Chat  18:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because it should meet the criteria.  iMatthew :  Chat  18:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Lead
  • 'The Hank Aaron Award is an annual award in Major League Baseball awarded to the top hitter in each league.' -- I like how you started your other list, Such and such Award is given annually to a Major League Baseball (MLB) such and such player.
  • How about instead, The Hank Aaron Award is given annually by the Major League Baseball to players selected as the top hitter in each league.--Truco 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'The award was also the first major award introduced by Major League Baseball in more than 25 years.' -- If you take my suggestion above, you can use the acronym here instead.
  • Never mind.--Truco 18:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'In 2000, the system was changed to a ballot where each club's radio and television play-by-play broadcasters and color analysts voted for three player in each league.' -- 'player' should be plural
  • 'Their first place vote receives five points, the second place vote receives three points, and the third place vote receives one point, and again the winner is the player with the highest point total.' -- The last part of the sentence that starts as 'and again..' isn't needed and sounds more like a rulebook than a encylopedia. Either mention that sentence here and not earlier or mention it earlier but not here, or simply reword this statement.
  • 'Beginning in 2003, fans were given the opportunity to vote through the MLB.com website.' -- Like I said in your other list, reword the MLB.com part to via MLB's official website, MLB.com,
  • 'Fans' votes accounted for 30% of the points, with broadcasters' and analysts' votes accounting for the other 70%.' -- 'accounted' should be in present tense
  • Lead needs to be expanded to summarize the list more, ie. first/most recent winner, other significant winners, stats of award winners like the first such and such person to win the award, etc.
Award winners
  • Consider linking the years to the respective MLB season?
References
  • Like in your other FLC, ESPN.com is the work and ESPN Internet Ventures is the publisher. Likewise, Baseball-reference is the work and Sports Illustrated LLC is the publisher.--Truco 19:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sports Reference LLC is actually the publisher for Baseball-Reference.com (both this and Clemente Award). By the by, I appreciate the help on the baseball awards! KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Woops, sorry about that I got the names mixed up for the publisher =P--Truco 18:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved; article meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 15:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support, Could the table be split so AL and NL winners are split as this would look better and make the list easier to read and understand. This my view it would be interesting what you think, this does not affect my support. It will be a normal support if you state good reason for not following my suggestion or do adopt the idea as i think it is a potential issue in my opinion.02blythed (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like some other opinions on this before I make the change. It sounds workable, but I'm not sure.  iMatthew :  Chat  22:34, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really think that's necessary IMO. I've seen it done in other lists but this one is a bit shorter so I think one table best presents the content.--Truco 18:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As i said it was only a suggestion if others do not agree then i fully support the nomination. 02blythed (talk) 22:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from KV5
  • "second most" should be second-most, compound adjective
  • Years in baseball should be changed to Major League Baseball seasons.
  • "RBI's" should be "RBI", it's already plural
  • "through the via MLB's official website, MLB.com website" - eh?
  • The key should contain what HR and RBI mean.
  • I would probably make the number in parens small, but that's just me. Aesthetics and all.
  • Also, I probably would have done separate tables by league, but I think this format is fine.

Hope this helps. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is the Baseball Almanac reference necessary? We aren't really sure about its reliability as a source; it's been debated a lot, and it doesn't verify anything independently.
    • Done, except the source is needed, and as far as I know is reliable.  iMatthew :  Chat  15:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Why is it needed? It's always paired with another source, and if it's unreliable, it can't be used in featured content. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Copyedited previously, and I see no further problems. Reywas92Talk 23:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "The Hank Aaron Award is given annually to the Major League Baseball players selected who are the top hitter in each league." Change to "selected as the top hitter in each league." Also place the MLB initials in parenthesis.
  • To avoid ending the second sentence with a number, try "surpassing Babe Ruth's career mark of 714 home runs."
  • "via MLB's official website, MLB.com website." Remove second "website"?
  • "with broadcasters' and analysts' votes accounted for the other 70%." "with" → "while" to ensure proper tense and the best possible sentence structure.
  • Barry Bonds is linked twice in the third paragraph. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • Link "Hits" to Hit (baseball).
  • Same comment as in Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Roberto Clemente Award/archive1 about mentioning in the first sentence that the awardee is determined through voting.
  • Add a "(MLB)" after the first appearance of "Major League Baseball".
  • "The award was also the first major award introduced by Major League Baseball in more than 25 years." I'd prefer if "to be" was inserted after "award", it just sounds better in this register.
  • "In 2000, the system was changed to a ballot where each club's radio" "where"-->in which; "club"-->MLB team
  • "Beginning in 2003, fans were given the opportunity to vote via MLB's official website, MLB.com website. Fans' votes accounted for 30% of the points, with broadcasters' and analysts' votes accounted for the other 70%." Repetition of "website". Why is "accounted" in the past tense, has the weight of each group's votes changed?
  • "and Manny Ramírez in 1999 has the most RBI." "RBI"-->RBIs, since "RBI" stands for the singular "run batted in".
  • Comment: RBI can actually stand for "run batted in" or "runs batted in", so technically, RBI is correct here. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 15:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Denotes the number of times the player has won the award."-->Denotes winning player and number of times they had won the award at that point.
  • Same comment as from the Roberto Clemente Award FLC about adding a note to where each year link goes. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done with everything but the second one, still don't get it..  iMatthew :  Chat  (Review Me) 12:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Append something along the lines of "as voted on by baseball fans and members of the media" to the end of the first sentence. Basically, we're trying to stress that the fact that the winner is determined by people, not on an objective basis. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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