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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 06:14, 22 June 2008 [1].

Echo & the Bunnymen discography[edit]

Having finished a lot of work on this article I beleive it meets the criteria to be a Featured List. If anyone has any concerns I'll do my best to address them. --JD554 (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from Drewcifer

Comments Overall look pretty good. I only have a few suggestions/concerns. In general, most of comments relate to MOS:DISCOG, which I recommend you take a look at.

  • In the "Other album appearances", it's not necessary to mention previously-released material.
    • Removed.
  • "12"" isn't specific engouh. 12-inch vinyl would be better, I think.
    • Fixed.

--JD554 (talk) 20:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)*Since The Fountain isn't released yet, there's no need to have "Released", "Label", and "Format".[reply]

    • Fixed.
  • Catalog numbers should have a # in front of them to be clearer. I also recommend making them small front, to further differentiate them from the Label's name.
    • Done.
  • In the Live albums table, the dashes should be en-dashes (–), not hyphens (-).
    • Done.
  • Citation #10's publisher should be Irish Recorded Music Association.
    • Done.
  • Allmusic should be wikilinked at least in the first citation it's used in (#3).
    • Fixed.
  • "Pete de Freitas joined the band prior the release of their second single, "Rescue", in May 1980 and their debut album, Crocodiles, in July 1980 as drummer, replacing the drum machine used previously." Is a long and somewhat confusing sentence. Same thing with "In 1990 Noel Burke joined the band as lead singer, Damon Reece joined as drummer and Jake Brockman joined as the keyboard player before the band split-up in 1992." I think in both cases the problem is the sentence changes topics midway though.
    • Fixed.
  • The last couple sentences of the lead get bogged down with a lot of lists and parenthesis. Try and eliminate either or, preferably, both. Drewcifer (talk) 22:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The titles of citations #20 and #22 look a little funky.
    • It is what the website actually titles the pages, but I've removed the NPOV portion. Is that better?
      • SORry if I wasn't clear enough: it's not the text that's weird, it's the fact that the link is only on part of the title. Now #15 is doing it. Drewcifer (talk) 19:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ah got you, it was the square brackets causing it - fixed with <nowiki>. Couldn't see it in the others, but it's not there now anyway. --JD554 (talk) 20:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why do most of the releases have multiple labels?
    • Different labels for different regions eg. Sire in the US, Korova in UK and sometimes Europe, WEA elsewhere and sometimes Europe etc. There doesn't appear to be any consistency though from release to release.
      • Since they are British, I'd say we're most concerned with the British release, and therefore the British label and release date.
        • Removed non-UK label info. --JD554 (talk) 20:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider putting the notes from the EP table into the Title column, since it only applies to two releases.
    • Tried it but it made the Title column too cluttered, it's much clearer in the end column.
      • Well, I disagree, since I'd rather have a little bit more info in one column then adding a whole nother column. But, I'll leave that up to you. If you do want to keep it, at least take out the weird top align thing in both cells. Drewcifer (talk) 19:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • So, what's up with the unknown music video directors? Drewcifer (talk) 20:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I just simply can't find a source that says who they were. --JD554 (talk) 21:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support I'm still a little uncomfortable with the lack of directors for a few of the music videos, and I still have reservations with the notes column in the Extended plays table, but everything else is in good-shape. Drewcifer (talk) 14:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • En dashes for places like "(#828 905-2)" between two numbers per WP:DASH (there are more, this is only an example)
    • There's no disjuntion between those numbers: As per WP:DASH there is no "sense of to or through" with those numbers, nor is it a "substitute for some uses of and, to or versus". A hyphen is the correct form a dash to use here. --JD554 (talk) 06:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Essential Music Videos: 80's UK" → "Essential Music Videos: '80s UK"?

Gary King (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Like I said in the PR, I don't think the lead quite works yet; you have sentences like "Their first single to reach the UK Singles Chart was their second single" and that Crocodiles is their debut album is mentioned twice. Further, considering that this is the lead to a discography, too much weight is placed on line-ups. Nothing to worry about though because, the lead for the Echo & the Bunnymen article is perfect for the discography! Simply copy and paste ... and rewrite the band article's lead :D indopug (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm, not bad is it? Done --JD554 (talk) 20:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:REUSE may I suggest that the copy/paste edit is reverted, then redone, using the edit summary to attribute the copied text to the article it came from, and the author(s) (the first editor of the article and the most recent will suffice). Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Surely that only applies to using Wikipedia content outside of Wikipedia? I can't believe you need to attribute within the same publication. There is nothing on that page you cite to suggest this is necessary. --JD554 (talk) 08:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure this guideline only applies to reusing Wikipedia material outside of the website, and not in regards to copying text from one Wiki article and moving it into another Wikipedia article. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Its GFDL-related. I've found that the GFDL requires lots of weird counter-intuitive things. indopug (talk) 08:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't make sense. Material is shuffled among pages all the time, and I've never seen the original authors credited, partly because the collaboraive nature of Wikipedia makes it impossible and pointless to try and determine that. WP:REUSE is specifically referring to mirror sites and sites that duplicate Wikipedia entries, not moving text from article to article. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support indopug (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • "lineup" or "line-up"?
    • Fixed
  • Why semi-colons in the list of labels?
  • "A second album" - "Their second album"?
    • Fixed
  • "culminated with" - I usually say "culminated in" (that may be personal pref but Webster examples agree)...
  • "with the top 10 hit" Top 10 hit? and where?
    • Fixed
  • Formats - you have "Double 7-inch..." but "cassette" - consistent capitalisation.
    • Fixed
  • Notes, when sentence fragments, shouldn't take a full stop - irrespective of this you have inconsistent full stopping...
    • Fixed
  • For the Other album appearances, the notes make interesting reading but are they citable?
    • As albums, videos etc are self-referential, I could leave the citations they are, remove them or add a citation to the album, video etc which doesn't have an internet link. Which would you suggest? --JD554 (talk) 20:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yeah, a common trait amongst the discog lists, the "self-referential" shout. I think I'm happy to accept most non-controversial claims but perhaps things like the typo issue, that could be cited. Case by case basis... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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