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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 2:38, 20 August 2022 (UTC) [1].

First Nagorno-Karabakh War[edit]

Notified: Military history, talk page notification 2021-12-01

Review section[edit]

I am nominating this featured article for review because multiple concerns have been raised by several editors and while some issues have been addressed, many are still outstanding. Specifically:

  1. There are questionable sources and multiple instances of unsourced material. Non-english sources without English translation of bibliographic detail and incomplete bibliographic detail. There are multiple notes in the reference section where there is a separate notes section.
  2. The lead is difficult to read.
  3. There is a table that doesn't render.
  4. there is an issue with the dates of the war and sourcing for that.
  5. There is an issue with the title and rendering of same in prose.
  6. There is an issue with length and unnecessary detail. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cinderella157 I have added the talk page notification for you above; please see the instructions at WP:FAR and do the notifications to editors and WikiProjects, and note them above. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cinderella157 thank you for notifying MILHIST. Per the FAR instructions, could you please notice the following WikiProjects listed on the talk page ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And could you please go through the page stats and notify the most recent, most active editors, along with the editor who originally nominated the article at FAC? Sorry I can't do more; I am iPad typing, and this was a lot to list. I know it seems like a lot of work, but it's important to cast a wide net to try to find people who can restore the article, and FARs are delayed when editors find out weeks in that an article was nominated. Once you get the hang of how to do the notifications, it can be done in under 15 mins. Good luck, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SandyGeorgia, I have notified the above projects. Additionally, I have notified the following users: MarshallBagramyan, Yerevantsi, Aivazovsky, Roses&guns and Polluxian. I thinkthis reasonably satisfies the users that should be notified. Regards Cinderella157 (talk) 09:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notifying editors involved in discussion at Talk:First Nagorno-Karabakh War#FA criteria: Buidhe, Rosguill and Brandmeister; and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 167#Talk:First Nagorno-Karabakh War#FA criteria: Hog Farm. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I have no time to give the article the thorough re-sourcing and rewrite that it deserves. (t · c) buidhe 00:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm certainly not going to have time for this, either. Hog Farm Talk 21:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping. As a major contributor to this article, I'd hate to see it de-listed, though I readily acknowledge its shortcomings and deficiencies. Unfortunately, I myself do not have much time these days to devote to redressing the problems in the article. I can perhaps try giving it a crack perhaps next month, but I'd hate to make any promises I can't keep. Best regards, Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 14:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've raised this criticism before in the prior discussions but I'll note it again here for the record that one of my top concerns for this article's FA status is the new title of "First Nagorno-Karabakh War". While there are RS written since the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war that now refer to it this way, it's not clear to me that it has been established as a canonical name for the war in English, and note that at least (some? Pro-government?) Azerbaijani sources seem to instead refer to the entirety of the conflict 1988-2021 as a single war (which isn't totally unreasonable, considering that ceasefires were signed but no decisive peace treaty). I'm worried that this issue of historiography may not be easily settled until more time has passed, as whether or not the current status quo of the conflict holds for the long run will likely determine how previous phases of the conflict are described. signed, Rosguill talk 16:26, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to FARC (which doesn't preclude further effort should one of the above decide to take it on). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to FARC, needs work that isn't happening. Hog Farm Talk 00:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to FARC concerns have been outlined above, but no one has stepped forward to lead this save, and there have been no major edits. Z1720 (talk) 21:36, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section[edit]

Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and coverage. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:15, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist: While WeirdMatter has added some sources today, I still think the article has substantial problems with sourcing and coverage that need to be addressed. If someone is willing to take a closer look at this, I'm willing to strike my delist while improvements are ongoing. Z1720 (talk) 01:44, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist, issues persist, no serious engagement. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist - sourcing issues remain, including the use of a self-published source. Hog Farm Talk 13:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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