User talk:Wicked247

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Hello, Wicked247, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Johnuniq (talk) 07:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

FOSS

I replied to your question at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Policy Problem but I also wanted to mention that I have been disappointed in the past with the level of participation on Wikipedia from the FOSS community (having said that, and in a context where extensive canvassing has occurred, I feel obliged to say I am just suggesting that having more FOSS editors with experience of Wikipedia would assist these kind of articles – having a bunch of uninformed comment from obvious WP:SPA users is very counter productive). There is a project at WP:WikiProject Software/Free Software, but I don't recall getting any feedback when I requested assistance with an important article that was subsequently gutted: see here for the archived discussion. I am not any kind of wiki expert, but feel free to ask my opinion if you have any specific questions. Johnuniq (talk) 07:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your answers. Hopefully the system can be fixed.

Regarding single-purpose accounts, nearly everything I've done on Wikipedia have been done anonymously. I've spent literally hundreds of hours improving articles here, but I have not really felt the need of having an actual account until now. Naturally, I suspect many of these accounts to be in the same boat. I honestly don't see why that should matter either, since the weight of the argument should be based on the strength of the argument, not the nickname in the signature. --Wicked247 (talk) 17:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a lot of assume good faith here (usually), but SPAs are frequently a problem. If an SPA manages to say something useful and in accord with the procedures, their view is generally given weight, but it is pretty understandable that (for example) if a discussion on the deletion of an article involves several SPAs who simply state (and often yell) their opinion then they will be disregarded. On Wikipedia, while ignore all rules is available for rare occasions, points made in a discussion must relate to the appropriate policies and guidelines, or they will be quickly ignored. That is the reason some OSS articles are being deleted: they cannot be referenced to establish notability in the standard Wikipedia manner. I personally find it absurd that many very ephemeral entertainment articles exist while significant FOSS articles are deleted. However, for example, if yet another computer game is even slightly popular, it will be written up in a "review" in some reliable source, and that justifies an article. Johnuniq (talk) 00:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Books are not reliable sources?

Hello Stifle, I'm relatively new to the AfD process, so I'm going to ask some stupid questions. I've read your FAQ and user pages, but I still don't understand why the Keep comments that gave book sources were ignored.

I'm referring to this comment in particular: "101 Drinking Games" by Andrew Studdard, and "The Complete Book of Beer Drinking Games" by Andy Griscom list the game by its name, 'Jayred' and describe it in detail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wicked247 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Keep comments from new and unregistered users are generally discounted at AFD discussions, and other than such users, you were the only user supporting keeping the article.

As an FYI if you're leaving me or another admin a message about an AFD we closed, please link to the exact AFD in order to ensure that we can figure out what you're talking about. Stifle (talk) 23:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I missed the fact you actually gave a reason. However, you didn't really answer why these sources were not acceptable? --Wicked247 (talk) 23:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

It is not for me to decide whether sources are acceptable or not. As the closing administrator, my task is to consider whether there is a consensus of users on either side of the debate, and where necessary to weigh arguments according to policy, custom, and practice. I'm happy with my closure and if you wish to contest it, please open a listing at WP:DRV. Stifle (talk) 19:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)