User talk:Wardroad

I'm sorry Wardroad of anything that happened in the past....but, I'm pretty sure the term post-punk revival fits more into the band for relevant reasons regarding time. Yeah, I think Green Day could be considered punk revival...or not even punk at all, just punk-pop, but why you might ask? well, punk as an original movement that rose as a reaction of the many things that were happening in the world socially and economically (especially in the UK) died back in 1978. Then there was this big inactivity of the punk movement...at least a lack of interest by the media or the public until Green Day came with their Dookie album which intended to have a sound similar to other punk bands back in the 70's and then other underground bands (The Offspring for example) jumped the bandwagon. Then the same thing happened with post-punk and garage rock on the 2000's, with the early examples of The Rapture, The Strokes, Chk Chk Chk, Interpol, Liars...both movements had died or made no more impact on the music industry or either evolved (post-punk turned into alternative thanks to REM and other bands like Pixies) until these new bands came trying to rescue the original sounds of the post-punk movement...but, then comes the answer to question...there needed to be a new term to differentiate these new bands from the bands of the original 70's movement, thus three terms have been invented: neo-post-punk, post-post-punk and post-punk revival (which is by far the most popular by critics, if you want you can google it) and if Franz Ferdinand was to be post-punk, then, they would have had to be formed back in the the late 70's or the earlt 80's. I also understand you with the fashion part...you might say there was no fashion related thing going on the post-punk movement but there was...many of the ex-members of of punk bands which decided to enter into the experimental terrain of post-punk had made the decision to make a reaction against the punk image in general (also mirrored in new wave).

So many of the first post-punk bands (PiL, Wire, Pere Ubu, Joy Division, GO4) had decided to have a cleaner and more sophisticated image that was the complete opposite of punk (you can check videos and images), but if you want a more clearer source of this, there's Malcom Ross from Josef K talking about the subject:

"I was quite interested in the original mod movement, and that was one of the influences in wearing suits. Again, it was a reaction to the whole dirty, long-haired thing that punk reacted to, but punk wasn't too far off it either. Punks were just as dirty. I didn't like that - I wanted some kind of dignity. We were forward looking.

None of us had ever played in groups prior to punk so it gave us clean slate. Whereas you could tell the bands who had, because they would chuck in rock guitar cliches here, there and everywhere. We never did. Paul and I were always striving to be, if not experimental, at least not cliched." (source: Josef K's myspace page or google it if you like).

So isn't this also done in this new post-punk movement? Franz Ferdinand, Interpol (especially them), Editors, The Futureheads, Maxïmo Park, The Killers, Bloc Party, Arctic Monkeys...it's all there. You can check the info. and if you're not satisfied tell me. I also noticed you removed the post-punk genre in many pages related to Franz Ferdinand (singles, albums) just leaving the indie rock reference, but I don't really think indie rock is a genre...Franz Ferdinand is indie rock because they belong to the independent rock/independent music movement. Sorry for any inconvenience in the past and I hope we can get to an agreement (this is the post that appears in the discussion page for the genre, please keep discussing). The-15th (talk) 22:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...Franz Ferdinand and many other bands have stated or denied the post-punk revival term or have never been really explicit on being from that genre but the statements they give like making "danceable music for girls" might be really different to their internal purpose, to what the members actually might have discussed inside the group...because we know the post-punk revival thing has been going around since the late 90's and the most probable thing is that the band has been aware of the underground (at least back then) musical landscape...or it might also have been a musical coincidence (just like old post-punk, were many bands were formed around the same time with the intention of mixing disco, punk and funk or giving punk an experimental depth), but I think they are pretty self-aware of what they want to do, I mean, Alex Kapranos was a member of the older post-punk revival band (probably one of the first) The Yummy Fur.

Th eother thing is that they could be considered unintentionally as part of a new post-punk movement because in a way they are part of a big reaction and backlash against the many punk-pop and neo-punk groups that came on to the mainstream, many of the bands that started to be pioneers of the new movement had the intention of being a reaction...or to create an alternative to the music at the turn of the century. Many others were self-conscious about their influences or what they wanted to do (I once read an interview of The Strokes where they were asked to why do you want to revive the post-punk/new wave sound of the 80's...to which they responded that they thought that new wave music was great but that it was a shame that it had died and that it really needed to come back...I swear I did read it and I'll try to get a hold of it if it wasn't deleted. Others like The Faint are aware that they want to revive new wave but without being retro or low tech or being another clone of Duran Duran ; they take the techonology of the 21st century to make new wave as a reaction to punk once again)...so, even if these bands deny that they are post-punk revival, they fit perfectly into the term because they are a reaction to the neo-punk hype and because they can't be confused with the older post-punk bands, that's why there's a neccesity of having a term like post-punk revival...it's not because they want to capture an exact post-punk sound (though many bands do...like Killers or The Rapture).

You know, post-punk bands also had many different influences too...Bauhaus loved glam rock, Gang of Four liked The Velvet Underground (you can hear the influence of the Velvet Underground track "The Gift" on Anthrax), Echo & The Bunnymen were maninly inspired by psychedelia and The Doors (check out the first version of Read it in Books from their first single)...it's the same thing with Franz Ferdinand, they are inspired by post-punk and non post-punk acts or The Futureheads which range influences as diverse as the Art Rock of Kate Bush, the rock of Queen to the post-hardcore of Fugazi...still, they manage to be a reaction to neo-punk. And why The Cribs not post-punk revival? Because they don't have the same influences? I mean they do have angular guitars, and were heavily inspired by The Strokes and The Libertines (exact influences of the Artctic Monkeys) some others say that if they weren't inspired by older post-punk bands doesn't make them post-punk revival... but I truly think that's not the case, you know...The Cribs have been trying to search their own sound which they do in Men's Needs and the same with Arctic Monkeys (who probably went back to check older post-punk bands for their latest effort) and I think they manage to have an original post-punk sound after all. The-15th (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)