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Philip Tilden

Thanks for your interest in the article and for the correction to the Sydenham House link. I hadn't noticed it had been mistakenly linked to the wrong building. I would like to discuss your removal of the reference to Amalia Broden's illegitimacy, however. You describe the reference as "pedantic and dumb". I don't understand your use of either of those words in this context. As Bettley makes plain, Amalia had an extremely "complex" past, of which her illegitimacy, in the context of her times, was clearly a part. I'm not at all certain that this, and other uncertainties in relation to her social position, in a country as class-conscious as pre-war, Georgian England, were not contributing factors to the marital difficulties Tilden experienced. I appreciate we're perhaps straying into Original Research here, but I would point out that Bettley chooses to reference her illegitimacy, and her complex past, in the section of his monograph which ends with the statement that Tilden was "unable to reconcile his homosexuality with his new married state" (Page 9, Lush and Luxurious - The Life and Work of Philip Tilden). As an aside, I don't think an edit summary that describes another's editor's wording as "pedantic and dumb" quite conforms to our Civility principle. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the substantive issue. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 17:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, apologies for splitting this conversation up - in retrospect, it might have been better to have placed the whole thing on the Tilden Talk page. Secondly, thanks for your very full response - it is appreciated. Thirdly, I do indeed see the point that you make: that Tilden's homosexuality was the main, if not the only, reason for his discomfort in his marriage is almost certain; his wife's illegitimacy, or any other factor relating to her complex past life, can only have been subsidiary, at most. It remains interesting, however, not least because both Philip and Amalia were so untruthful about so much in their lives. Whilst this is understandable in the context of their times, it sheds interesting light on their psychologies, as well as making it damn difficult to write accurately about either of them! I think your suggestion of an expansion of the article, in which this can be explored further, is much the best and I shall set to this when I have time. Tilden certainly merits more than the Start article he's got, and Amalia more than a "gratuitous slur", although this wasn't my intention and I am not sure that a reference to illegitimacy would be seen as such, in our more enlightened times. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 16:54, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry - forgot we were conducting the conversation across both Talk pages. The below reproduced from mine:

Humm, a groundplan of Chartwell. Not sure I've ever seen one, on-line or off. Have checked the two books specifically on the house that I have - Churchill and Chartwell, Robin Fedden (Pergamon Press, 1968) and Churchill and Chartwell, Stefan Buczacki (Francis Lincoln, 2007) - and neither has one. Nor do any of Sir Martin's magisterial volumes, although the companion volumes might but I don't have the one which covers 1922, the year in which Churchill purchased the house. The only other book specifically on the house that I know is the National Trust guide, written by Mary Soames, but I don't have this. NT guides frequently do have floor-plans, however, and I've just ordered the book, so, when it arrives, I'll let you know. I could probably scan and e-mail an image if there is one, but I couldn't upload it to Wikipedia as it'll be copyright. The building history is fascinating and Tilden and Churchill fell out badly over what the latter believed to be architectural shortcomings in the design and construction of the house.

Incidentally, as I write this, I am reading the following in Buczacki's book (p. 118), "In 1914 (Tilden) married, itself an awkward event for a homosexual; but it was compounded by the woman being considerably older than him and of mysterious and exotic antecedents" (my bold italics). I might just put that reference back in!, although on what Buczacki bases the statement, I don't know. KJP1 (talk) 17:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Some nice interior shots here [[1]]

And good floor-plans in the guide that came today. I can scan them but your uploading suggestions are probably beyond my very limited techinical capability. Let me know. KJP1 (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi. Am not sure if I'm violating some unspoken rule not to comment here, so I apologise in advance. Anyway, I noticed you edited the Malta article because Malta is not mentioned in the Wikipedia "Treaty of Paris" article. However, the actual treaty of Paris [Wikisource: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1814)], does mention Malta at Article VII. How do you think it's best for it to be referenced?

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Hi, although the hemline theory is a very interesting one, there are probably rather more reliable sources than an old 1954 newspaper article. You could possibly add it as a link to Hemline index as that needs more references. It IS a rather niche theory, although one that catches popular imagination - but is now largely viewed somewhat skeptically. [2], [3], [4], and rather a lot of other (largely skeptical) Google hits for "hemline index". I used to believe it too, but as I've learned more about fashion history, I kinda agree that it's an urban myth. Generally, there are rather better external link candidates for the fashion articles than bitty little 60-year old newspaper clippings. Mabalu (talk) 11:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, respectfully pointing out (although I am surprised that an editor who has been around since 2006 needs to be told so) that edit summaries (which I just chanced to notice) naming other editors as being "out of line" and accusing them of claiming ownership are not particularly WP:Civil. Instead of simply reverting without explanation, I took the time to explain personally to you my reasons for the reversions above, including offering links to more recent sources about the subject and suggesting an alternative home for your link. I note that McGeddon (quite properly, IMO) removed the links after you reverted my edits and also suggested another alternative home for the link. Mabalu (talk) 16:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, in your own choice of quotes: ""People have to drop the idea that every little tidbit is precious. Crap is crap. Yank it." Mabalu (talk) 16:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

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Bonsoir Textorus ! J'ai traduit en français l'article "Save Our Children" cet été et c'est à ce moment-là que j'ai dû laisser le message dont tu me parles. Malheureusement, j'avoue que je ne me rappelle plus de ce que j'y demandais (la honte !). En tout cas, je te remercie de ta proposition d'aide ! Et je tiens à souligner que, même s'il n'est pas parfait, ton français est très bon (et bien meilleur que mon anglais) ! Amicalement, 31.39.53.205 (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2014 (UTC) (fr:user:Konstantinos)

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Since you have no talk page, I'm replying here. Thanks for the note; I apologize for the oversight. Many if not most of the edits I make these days are indeed minor ones, so my mouse gravitates towards that checkbox. Textorus (talk) 05:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. I reverted your revert of Benbruskin's edit because the source B. gave does directly support what B claimed. You probably just looked at the first graf, which says "From the wisdom of a U.S. Capitol policeman he worked with 20 years ago". It's true that that doesn't say Matthews was also on the force, only that he "worked with" someone who was. But further down it says, as part of the material excerpted from CM's book, "My first job when I came to Washington three decades ago was as a .38-caliber-toting officer of the U.S. Capitol Police." Search the page for "police" - you will find it about two thirds of the way down. Jeh (talk) 00:00, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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I couldn't agree more with your splendid edit summary here! The whole article has suffered from this terrible affliction of too many bl**dy words as if the nature of the event has somehow infected us all with the need to go into this weirdly pompous wordy mode ... trying out for Court Correspondent jobs maybe? I only popped in to try and find out who sang something (and I failed too) but the appalling writing has kept me riveted. There are some brilliant editors working on it too, and I know that it will stabilize in a few days anyway and be OK in the long term but, blimey. ... so I'm going to try very hard to leave it alone for a bit. But sheeesh. Well done & cheers DBaK (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Appreciate ya, @DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered:. BTW, if you google up the Order of Service for the wedding, it contains the names of all the performers and pieces of music. Textorus (talk) 22:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

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Please note that mdashes are always unspaced on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Dashes, and footnotes are placed immediately after punctuation with no intervening space per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Punctuation and footnotes. Thanks. DrKay (talk) 08:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@DrKay: Thanks for your concern about the quality of Wikipedia editing, but the ones I fixed were Ndashes. I don't remember doing anything with footnote placements today. Textorus (talk) 09:22, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

They were just done inadvertently here. I wouldn't worry about it; these are obviously very minor points. DrKay (talk) 09:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@DrKay: I never worry about such things, because I know legions of punctilious folks like you are on the job 24/7 to maintain Wikipedia's high standards. I do what I do best, and you do yours, and it's beautiful, isn't it? On behalf of the whole Wikicommunity, thanks for your service. Textorus (talk) 10:24, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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The "philosophy" of third party (independent) sources

I agree with your comments re source material on Wikipedia.

Take a look at a recent administrative hijacking at the article "Mann Gulch fire" on the Talk page. The existing article has languished without proper sourcing for years and years. (I refrain from using links, or my Username, so as not to provoke any further attacks on myself, or your Talk page)

One of the hijackers (in alliance with a "Grandmaster Editor" [sic] had this to say in support of his position: "I also spoke to a fatality's older brother, now deceased, who visited the death scene shortly thereafter, and also refuted the tale. This is far more comprehensive research than your book report" [i.e. sourced material from Maclean, Norman (1992). Young Men and Fire. University Of Chicago Press. ISBN 0-226-50061-6.[1]]

If you are interested here is what was removed, fully sourced, with ample citations:

--38.126.242.222 (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I agree that Wikipedia rules are often maddening, and that Wikipedia cannot be taken as the last word on any subject whatsoever; at best it is only a springboard for further research. The way some editors apply, or disregard, the rules is even more maddening, all too often. And the biggest problem is that there is no adult in the room, so arguing a point against a determined one-track-mind editor is a futile waste of time that could be spent much more happily in all sorts of ways, in or out of Wikipedia. That's why I also say on my userpage that "this editor does not give a fuck." After a dozen years of frustration and disappointment in this place, I just edit now for grammar and clarity, mostly, when I have time; I'm retired, have no clock to punch, and am certainly not getting paid to work here, so there's no point letting stuff get to me, because the whole concept of "anybody can edit" is fatally flawed to begin with. And that's all I really have to say. Textorus (talk) 23:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I will leave you with a link to an article that perhaps you are familiar with: Tom Simonite's "The Decline of Wikipedia" (2013). Best wishes. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/520446/the-decline-of-wikipedia/

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The Vineyard Beverly Hills

Hi. The page is now protected, so we have three days to discuss/resolve this dispute on the talk page. I suggest we do this before elevating to WP:DRN or WP:RFC. Since this is at its heart a content dispute, I don't think WP:ANI is appropriate at this time. ---- Work permit (talk) 14:36, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

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Epilogue: The page came off protection and Roxy undid his edit. My faith in the goodness of man is restored, at least for a day :)---- Work permit (talk) 02:46, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. But who knows whether it's a sign of repentance, or just another maniacal chess move? Whatever. I'm over it. Textorus (talk) 03:52, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

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